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CCCC Uphold Hughes' Eight-Week Ban!!

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Darren Hughes has been banned for eight weeks.. and if I was his Manager I would tell him that if the same situation arose then he should do the exact same as he did.. He stood on the sideline and watched 3 feet in front of him a Monaghan player and a Fermanagh player wrestle on the ground and he did nothing but watch. But when a Second Fermanagh player came flying in and went straight into the Monaghan players back, he stepped in and pulled the players apart.. he protected his team mate and did not shoulder charge a player as a Manager recently did.. did not stick his hand into another players mouth or stand on his neck, did not stop play by grabbing a ball, did not face up to another player, did not push a referee or knock a notebook from a ref's hand, did not dive to the ground after getting his hair tousled. He protected a player from a cowardly act. Darren Hughes did the right thing as he often does.

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 715 - 20/06/2019 14:19:50    2197979

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Replying To Farney:  "Darren Hughes has been banned for eight weeks.. and if I was his Manager I would tell him that if the same situation arose then he should do the exact same as he did.. He stood on the sideline and watched 3 feet in front of him a Monaghan player and a Fermanagh player wrestle on the ground and he did nothing but watch. But when a Second Fermanagh player came flying in and went straight into the Monaghan players back, he stepped in and pulled the players apart.. he protected his team mate and did not shoulder charge a player as a Manager recently did.. did not stick his hand into another players mouth or stand on his neck, did not stop play by grabbing a ball, did not face up to another player, did not push a referee or knock a notebook from a ref's hand, did not dive to the ground after getting his hair tousled. He protected a player from a cowardly act. Darren Hughes did the right thing as he often does."
Non Players have no place entering the playing field. The ban I feel is correct. You have mentioned instances relating to incidents have have involved players as well, which can not be mixed with instances involving non playing members. The issue has nothing to do with protecting players, that is a justification of non players entering the playing field, which there is none.

The issue that I would have is the inconsistency in applying these rules. There should be a minimum 8 week ban for any official getting involved in the game in anyway what so ever. Gerry O Conor from Clare, Davy Fitz, the dublin Maor Foirne, the list can go on. None had any place in the game, all 3 different instances but none have any place in our game.

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 361 - 20/06/2019 14:45:55    2197990

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2 week ban would have been a fair slap on the wrist. 8 weeks is a joke

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2898 - 20/06/2019 14:56:15    2197997

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Replying To Farney:  "Darren Hughes has been banned for eight weeks.. and if I was his Manager I would tell him that if the same situation arose then he should do the exact same as he did.. He stood on the sideline and watched 3 feet in front of him a Monaghan player and a Fermanagh player wrestle on the ground and he did nothing but watch. But when a Second Fermanagh player came flying in and went straight into the Monaghan players back, he stepped in and pulled the players apart.. he protected his team mate and did not shoulder charge a player as a Manager recently did.. did not stick his hand into another players mouth or stand on his neck, did not stop play by grabbing a ball, did not face up to another player, did not push a referee or knock a notebook from a ref's hand, did not dive to the ground after getting his hair tousled. He protected a player from a cowardly act. Darren Hughes did the right thing as he often does."
You are joking? The incident started with two Monaghan players with Ciaran Corrigan...you at the game?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 20/06/2019 15:06:16    2198004

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Replying To juicy:  "Non Players have no place entering the playing field. The ban I feel is correct. You have mentioned instances relating to incidents have have involved players as well, which can not be mixed with instances involving non playing members. The issue has nothing to do with protecting players, that is a justification of non players entering the playing field, which there is none.

The issue that I would have is the inconsistency in applying these rules. There should be a minimum 8 week ban for any official getting involved in the game in anyway what so ever. Gerry O Conor from Clare, Davy Fitz, the dublin Maor Foirne, the list can go on. None had any place in the game, all 3 different instances but none have any place in our game."
What a load of nonsense, would you ban a maor uisce for 2 months if he/she ran on the field for separating a two on one attack at an underage match or expect them to stand watching it. He showed no aggression what so ever and unless Monaghan make the Super 8s his inter county season (and maybe career given his age) is over.

The context of consistency you put forward needs to take aggression into account especially when you look at the extreme act of violence carried out the same weekend and a two week (one match) ban handed out. Are yez afraid to speak up??

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 698 - 20/06/2019 15:28:50    2198014

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "What a load of nonsense, would you ban a maor uisce for 2 months if he/she ran on the field for separating a two on one attack at an underage match or expect them to stand watching it. He showed no aggression what so ever and unless Monaghan make the Super 8s his inter county season (and maybe career given his age) is over.

The context of consistency you put forward needs to take aggression into account especially when you look at the extreme act of violence carried out the same weekend and a two week (one match) ban handed out. Are yez afraid to speak up??"
Look if lads are having a scrap on the pitch, leave them at it, its up to the ref and players to sort it out. As for you point about under age, maor uisce at an underage game? have you ever been, based on that comment its doubtful.

Fact is non players have no place getting involved in anything related to players. Always makes a bigger issue out of things and this is what happened with Darren Hughes, doesn't matter whether he showed aggression or not, he made things worse.

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 361 - 20/06/2019 15:47:28    2198019

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Replying To juicy:  "Non Players have no place entering the playing field. The ban I feel is correct. You have mentioned instances relating to incidents have have involved players as well, which can not be mixed with instances involving non playing members. The issue has nothing to do with protecting players, that is a justification of non players entering the playing field, which there is none.

The issue that I would have is the inconsistency in applying these rules. There should be a minimum 8 week ban for any official getting involved in the game in anyway what so ever. Gerry O Conor from Clare, Davy Fitz, the dublin Maor Foirne, the list can go on. None had any place in the game, all 3 different instances but none have any place in our game."
The instance that you listed were officials interfering with the game or being aggressive.. Darren Hughes protected a player from a cowardly act.. they are not the same. He was right in what he did.

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 715 - 20/06/2019 15:57:48    2198022

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "What a load of nonsense, would you ban a maor uisce for 2 months if he/she ran on the field for separating a two on one attack at an underage match or expect them to stand watching it. He showed no aggression what so ever and unless Monaghan make the Super 8s his inter county season (and maybe career given his age) is over.

The context of consistency you put forward needs to take aggression into account especially when you look at the extreme act of violence carried out the same weekend and a two week (one match) ban handed out. Are yez afraid to speak up??"
Literally none of what you're suggesting happened with Hughes though. He crossed the field when it wasn't a 2 on 1 attack. It was under control until he waded in and then everyone got up and all hell broke out.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 20/06/2019 16:09:01    2198027

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Replying To Farney:  "Darren Hughes has been banned for eight weeks.. and if I was his Manager I would tell him that if the same situation arose then he should do the exact same as he did.. He stood on the sideline and watched 3 feet in front of him a Monaghan player and a Fermanagh player wrestle on the ground and he did nothing but watch. But when a Second Fermanagh player came flying in and went straight into the Monaghan players back, he stepped in and pulled the players apart.. he protected his team mate and did not shoulder charge a player as a Manager recently did.. did not stick his hand into another players mouth or stand on his neck, did not stop play by grabbing a ball, did not face up to another player, did not push a referee or knock a notebook from a ref's hand, did not dive to the ground after getting his hair tousled. He protected a player from a cowardly act. Darren Hughes did the right thing as he often does."
Those are some tinted glasses you're wearing... Ah but sure Hughes was just a matronly teacher, looking over his pupils in the schoolyard, carefully breaking up a fight with a delicate touch. Didn't so much as lay a strong hand on any of them as he guided them all apart in his quest to stop a fight. I was at the game too lad, he launched in. And for all the manliness you hear about nowadays in the game, did you think any of his lads were in serious trouble that he was needed so badly? They can handle themselves just fine. Everyone knows based on incidents over the last few years that if an official enters the field and lays a finger, you've got 8 weeks. That's non negotiable, it's standard at this stage. Same as 12 weeks for interfering with an official is standard. He needs to man up now and accept that. Same way he was man enough to launch himself into the field of play where it wasn't his business.

And another thing. This thing needs to stop of comparing incidents when all are completely different with differing ban lengths. Are we going to consistently hear about bans and drag Connolly, McCann and Fitzgerald into the conversation? Every single one of those incidents you refer to are completely different for varying reasons and have ban lengths set out in the rules. Please stop and take the medicine.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 938 - 20/06/2019 16:26:46    2198034

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Those are some tinted glasses you're wearing... Ah but sure Hughes was just a matronly teacher, looking over his pupils in the schoolyard, carefully breaking up a fight with a delicate touch. Didn't so much as lay a strong hand on any of them as he guided them all apart in his quest to stop a fight. I was at the game too lad, he launched in. And for all the manliness you hear about nowadays in the game, did you think any of his lads were in serious trouble that he was needed so badly? They can handle themselves just fine. Everyone knows based on incidents over the last few years that if an official enters the field and lays a finger, you've got 8 weeks. That's non negotiable, it's standard at this stage. Same as 12 weeks for interfering with an official is standard. He needs to man up now and accept that. Same way he was man enough to launch himself into the field of play where it wasn't his business.

And another thing. This thing needs to stop of comparing incidents when all are completely different with differing ban lengths. Are we going to consistently hear about bans and drag Connolly, McCann and Fitzgerald into the conversation? Every single one of those incidents you refer to are completely different for varying reasons and have ban lengths set out in the rules. Please stop and take the medicine."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGLCSk9Gig

Can watch what he done here on about 1.55 if you want. If he deserved 8 weeks for that, taking into consideration he is a squad member, I give up

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 698 - 20/06/2019 16:47:56    2198044

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGLCSk9Gig

Can watch what he done here on about 1.55 if you want. If he deserved 8 weeks for that, taking into consideration he is a squad member, I give up"
Jeez man did you even read what I said. He may be a squad member, but his position on the line was as an official, wearing an officially mandated bib which all sideline officials have. 8 weeks ban for officials interfering. Its set down, why are you trying to argue with me that he's a squad member. I didn't make the rules

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 938 - 20/06/2019 18:15:48    2198067

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGLCSk9Gig

Can watch what he done here on about 1.55 if you want. If he deserved 8 weeks for that, taking into consideration he is a squad member, I give up"
Are you saying that because he has more to lose, he should be given a more lenient sentence? Bizarre logic. If anything the fact he had more to lose should have made him think twice before getting involved with a player.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1262 - 20/06/2019 18:38:59    2198077

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "Are you saying that because he has more to lose, he should be given a more lenient sentence? Bizarre logic. If anything the fact he had more to lose should have made him think twice before getting involved with a player."
What I'm saying is the punishment given to him as a player, 8 weeks in the middle of the season, is very different than giving 8 weeks to a water carrier. Would you not agree

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 698 - 20/06/2019 19:05:22    2198088

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "What I'm saying is the punishment given to him as a player, 8 weeks in the middle of the season, is very different than giving 8 weeks to a water carrier. Would you not agree"
Not really. In the Fermanagh game he was non-player so it only makes sense that he gets a non-player's punishment, which the rules are pretty black and white on. The fact he's also a player is just incidental and irrelevant.

Imagine that it had been an injured Chris Crummy instead of Greg Kennedy that interfered with the ball at the Dublin-Kilkenny match. There'd be uproar if Dublin had appealed the ban on the basis that he had games to play. It'd totally undermine the disciplinary system.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1262 - 20/06/2019 22:24:06    2198152

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBGLCSk9Gig

Can watch what he done here on about 1.55 if you want. If he deserved 8 weeks for that, taking into consideration he is a squad member, I give up"
Was at match but hadn't seen what happened until that clip.....why even a suspension in first place let alone 8 weeks....if his ban is upheld i give up too

FarneyLenny (Monaghan) - Posts: 110 - 20/06/2019 22:29:44    2198157

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "Not really. In the Fermanagh game he was non-player so it only makes sense that he gets a non-player's punishment, which the rules are pretty black and white on. The fact he's also a player is just incidental and irrelevant.

Imagine that it had been an injured Chris Crummy instead of Greg Kennedy that interfered with the ball at the Dublin-Kilkenny match. There'd be uproar if Dublin had appealed the ban on the basis that he had games to play. It'd totally undermine the disciplinary system."
The fact that he is a player is relevant, and you seem to have little empathy for the player here. He may well deserve to be banned from the sideline as a water carrier, but as a player he does not deserve an 8 week ban. Any decent barrister would get this reduced or overturned and expect that to be the eventual outcome.

This might be the best thing to happen the team before Saturday, because they are dangling on the edge. Before today I was worried about the outcome, I expect a reaction from them now

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 698 - 20/06/2019 23:28:02    2198173

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "Not really. In the Fermanagh game he was non-player so it only makes sense that he gets a non-player's punishment, which the rules are pretty black and white on. The fact he's also a player is just incidental and irrelevant.

Imagine that it had been an injured Chris Crummy instead of Greg Kennedy that interfered with the ball at the Dublin-Kilkenny match. There'd be uproar if Dublin had appealed the ban on the basis that he had games to play. It'd totally undermine the disciplinary system."
The inconsistency is what undermines the disciplinary system . What is the justification for handing out time bans to officials and match bans to players ? Why not hand out match bans to everyone ? Then there is the inconsistency in terms of how time bans impact upon transgressors. Despite what Fermanagh and Cavan people may say Darren Hughes transgression was at the lower end of the scale . It was significantly less serious than Gerry O Connor's . Yet will O Connor miss one game ? Will his time ban extend to Clare's next game ? Hughes could miss up to six games. That's the inconsistency that completely undermines the disciplinary system . Time bans should be dispensed with .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5003 - 21/06/2019 00:26:29    2198183

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Replying To Greengrass:  "The inconsistency is what undermines the disciplinary system . What is the justification for handing out time bans to officials and match bans to players ? Why not hand out match bans to everyone ? Then there is the inconsistency in terms of how time bans impact upon transgressors. Despite what Fermanagh and Cavan people may say Darren Hughes transgression was at the lower end of the scale . It was significantly less serious than Gerry O Connor's . Yet will O Connor miss one game ? Will his time ban extend to Clare's next game ? Hughes could miss up to six games. That's the inconsistency that completely undermines the disciplinary system . Time bans should be dispensed with ."
The rules do not weigh up the level of intent, nor do the rules try to mitigate severity, you cannot have a rule that can be discarded because it was at the lower end of the scale. Ditto with bans, natural justice though has to prevail. If a player is assaulted he is entitled in Irish law to defend himself using all the means at his disposal that is nothing to do with GAA rules. Look carefully at why he received an 8 week ban, sidelines need to be showing/displaying restraint, running all over the pitch with a bottle is simply asking for trouble and potentially asking for it. Sidelines crossing the line should be treated very harshly.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4178 - 21/06/2019 10:12:09    2198227

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Replying To Farney:  "Darren Hughes has been banned for eight weeks.. and if I was his Manager I would tell him that if the same situation arose then he should do the exact same as he did.. He stood on the sideline and watched 3 feet in front of him a Monaghan player and a Fermanagh player wrestle on the ground and he did nothing but watch. But when a Second Fermanagh player came flying in and went straight into the Monaghan players back, he stepped in and pulled the players apart.. he protected his team mate and did not shoulder charge a player as a Manager recently did.. did not stick his hand into another players mouth or stand on his neck, did not stop play by grabbing a ball, did not face up to another player, did not push a referee or knock a notebook from a ref's hand, did not dive to the ground after getting his hair tousled. He protected a player from a cowardly act. Darren Hughes did the right thing as he often does."
Consider yourselves lucky, our Brendan Murphy got a 3 months suspension simply for exchanging a few pleasantries and for asking the referee to explain a couple decisions he made during the game, when it was well and truly over.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 1949 - 21/06/2019 21:16:54    2198423

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