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Conor Cox Or James O'Donoghue

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An argument on a different thread.

IMO Conor Cox is better than James O'Donoghue at the moment. We seen what Conor Cox can do for Roscommon last Sunday. What exactly has JOD offered Kerry in the last four years? He couldn't hold down his place the past two seasons. Regularly taken off in big games for not firing. He has had his injury problems I know. What do you think?

Who would you rather in your full forward line for a game this weekend?

summerof09 (Meath) - Posts: 315 - 19/06/2019 16:29:49    2197657

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Replying To summerof09:  "An argument on a different thread.

IMO Conor Cox is better than James O'Donoghue at the moment. We seen what Conor Cox can do for Roscommon last Sunday. What exactly has JOD offered Kerry in the last four years? He couldn't hold down his place the past two seasons. Regularly taken off in big games for not firing. He has had his injury problems I know. What do you think?

Who would you rather in your full forward line for a game this weekend?"
On current form, that's an easy one to answer. How about Cox now vs. JOD in 2014?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 19/06/2019 16:38:30    2197661

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Conor Cox all the way.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 19/06/2019 16:55:28    2197669

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Replying To cavanman47:  "On current form, that's an easy one to answer. How about Cox now vs. JOD in 2014?"
A Kerry poster doesn't seem to agree by saying JOD "is a better player than Cox in every way I can think of".

JOD was obviously better than him in 2014 when he won POTY despite not scoring in the All Ireland final. Cox was playing junior football for Kerry that same season.

Anyway the argument is about who is the better player at this moment in time.

summerof09 (Meath) - Posts: 315 - 19/06/2019 16:59:34    2197670

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Different players. Cox is very much an inside forward and relies somewhat on the ball being played into him. While JOD hasn't been the same player for a while how he'd be more likely to try and make something happen if he wasn't getting the ball played into him

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 19/06/2019 17:08:40    2197672

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Conor Cox but if James O'Donoghue has relations in Roscommon,we'll take him.!

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2166 - 19/06/2019 18:02:39    2197692

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Why does the comparison have to be made? They are both good footballers but playing for different counties.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 19/06/2019 18:13:50    2197696

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It is heartwarming to see your concern for Kerry football summerof09. My point on the other thread is that James career has been ruined by injuries, he is either out or he is coming back, he hasn't been 100% in a long long time which is a real pity as I think he could be one of the best in the country still if he didn't have these recurring issues. It happens to certain players in many sports and it's a shame. We will probably never see the 2013-14 JOD again at this stage.

I would also add that some of the criticism he gets for not lighting up the scoreboard in certain games needs to balanced against the fact that he has played out the field quite a bit for the good of the team, a lot of people that don't see all kerry games probably don't realise that and see him as a pure inside forward. In the 2014 final for example he was slated for not scoring but he played most of the game around the middle as a link man.

Cox has been great so far, if we are taking injuries in to account of course you'd have him over JOD if he is going to be unavailable. If both are 100% (rare I know) there is no competition for me, James is the better player. We have no idea if Cox can maintain this form by the way, I hope he does but I have my doubts if I'm honest. Time will tell.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 19/06/2019 18:34:41    2197705

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Replying To neverright:  "Why does the comparison have to be made? They are both good footballers but playing for different counties."
For arguments sake.

summerof09 (Meath) - Posts: 315 - 19/06/2019 18:36:51    2197708

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Replying To summerof09:  "A Kerry poster doesn't seem to agree by saying JOD "is a better player than Cox in every way I can think of".

JOD was obviously better than him in 2014 when he won POTY despite not scoring in the All Ireland final. Cox was playing junior football for Kerry that same season.

Anyway the argument is about who is the better player at this moment in time."
A Kerry poster? Sure what would they know about top class football? How would they know anything about class Kerry forwards? The cheek of them to express an opinion! Sometimes the sporting thing is to respect someone's opinion even if you don't agree with it.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 19/06/2019 19:32:29    2197716

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cox is way better

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 20/06/2019 01:40:20    2197812

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Jesus wept.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7900 - 20/06/2019 05:17:52    2197814

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Based on their records to date there is no comparison; James is way ahead. Remember Conor has not even played in a Super 8 game yet whereas James has excelled at the highest levels.
BTW, James is still injured, I hear, and will most likely will be replaced by Dara Moynihan against Cork.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 20/06/2019 10:46:49    2197862

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Replying To summerof09:  "A Kerry poster doesn't seem to agree by saying JOD "is a better player than Cox in every way I can think of".

JOD was obviously better than him in 2014 when he won POTY despite not scoring in the All Ireland final. Cox was playing junior football for Kerry that same season.

Anyway the argument is about who is the better player at this moment in time."
Connolly deserved POTY in 2014 in my unbiased opinion ;)

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 20/06/2019 10:50:06    2197866

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Replying To ConnollyDub:  "Connolly deserved POTY in 2014 in my unbiased opinion ;)"
The POTY is always determined by the senior intercounty championship. James did more to determine the outcome of the Sam maguire that year than anybody else. His performances in the two semi finals against mayo were outstanding and he had a good final setting up some key scores in a more withdrawn role than he was used to.

The argument for Connolly at the time was his performances in the club and provincial championships. I don't know any player ever who has been awarded POTY on that basis, and I found it really odd at the time that so many dubs were sore about it (not saying you are btw).

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 20/06/2019 11:11:54    2197876

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "The POTY is always determined by the senior intercounty championship. James did more to determine the outcome of the Sam maguire that year than anybody else. His performances in the two semi finals against mayo were outstanding and he had a good final setting up some key scores in a more withdrawn role than he was used to.

The argument for Connolly at the time was his performances in the club and provincial championships. I don't know any player ever who has been awarded POTY on that basis, and I found it really odd at the time that so many dubs were sore about it (not saying you are btw)."
I would love to see Roscommon do well in the 8s and for cox to get an all star in one corner and James get one in the other corner. 2 excellent players that we all have the privilege to watch.

gallarus14 (Kerry) - Posts: 127 - 20/06/2019 11:53:32    2197897

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "The POTY is always determined by the senior intercounty championship. James did more to determine the outcome of the Sam maguire that year than anybody else. His performances in the two semi finals against mayo were outstanding and he had a good final setting up some key scores in a more withdrawn role than he was used to.

The argument for Connolly at the time was his performances in the club and provincial championships. I don't know any player ever who has been awarded POTY on that basis, and I found it really odd at the time that so many dubs were sore about it (not saying you are btw)."
Not true

he was excellent in the club championship and provincials yes, but he continued his excellence into the All Ireland series in the quarter final and semi final. His display in our defeat to donegal in the SF was one of the best individual performances I've seen from a Dublin player. He was simply outstanding that year.

And it wasn't just Dubs who thought it, 4 of the lads on the Sunday game review at the end of the year voted Connolly for POTY, think 5 picked James.

Anyway James was deserving of his POTY that year, he was outstanding. My point is that there absolutely was an argument to be had...

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 20/06/2019 12:03:06    2197905

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Replying To ConnollyDub:  "Not true

he was excellent in the club championship and provincials yes, but he continued his excellence into the All Ireland series in the quarter final and semi final. His display in our defeat to donegal in the SF was one of the best individual performances I've seen from a Dublin player. He was simply outstanding that year.

And it wasn't just Dubs who thought it, 4 of the lads on the Sunday game review at the end of the year voted Connolly for POTY, think 5 picked James.

Anyway James was deserving of his POTY that year, he was outstanding. My point is that there absolutely was an argument to be had..."
We can agree to disagree but it's very unusual for someone to win it if their team doesn't make the final. Ultimately the players that faced them decided James was the winner so that settles it for me.

My memory of that semi is himself and Flynn kicking several points each at the start when Dublin were flying. Once Donegal got going he wax fairly anonymous and kicked a few bad wides iirc. James dragged Kerry through two tough semis, not bad for a guy who hides in the big games.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 20/06/2019 12:09:59    2197910

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "We can agree to disagree but it's very unusual for someone to win it if their team doesn't make the final. Ultimately the players that faced them decided James was the winner so that settles it for me.

My memory of that semi is himself and Flynn kicking several points each at the start when Dublin were flying. Once Donegal got going he wax fairly anonymous and kicked a few bad wides iirc. James dragged Kerry through two tough semis, not bad for a guy who hides in the big games."
Again, as I've said before, James fully deserved his award. All i'm saying is there was an argument to be had, thats all...

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 20/06/2019 12:37:29    2197925

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Replying To ConnollyDub:  "Not true

he was excellent in the club championship and provincials yes, but he continued his excellence into the All Ireland series in the quarter final and semi final. His display in our defeat to donegal in the SF was one of the best individual performances I've seen from a Dublin player. He was simply outstanding that year.

And it wasn't just Dubs who thought it, 4 of the lads on the Sunday game review at the end of the year voted Connolly for POTY, think 5 picked James.

Anyway James was deserving of his POTY that year, he was outstanding. My point is that there absolutely was an argument to be had..."
He kicked some eye-catching points in that semi final v Donegal, but his inability to track back was ruthlessly exposed by Jim McGuinness and Donegal.

It was Anthony Thompson - Connolly's man - who raided up the right wing to lay off the pass for Ryan McHugh coming in from left-half forward for the goal to kill Dublin off in that match.

Connolly also turned town a handy point with Dublin in the ascendancy and kicked a ball straight at Paul Durcan.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 20/06/2019 15:06:30    2198005

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