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It must be great coming away from another hammering by the Dubs with your built in excuses.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 04/08/2019 09:36:11 2220435 Link 1 |
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Yeah many years ago it hurt being beaten by the Dubs. Doesn't bother me anymore and I even save my money when we play you.
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 04/08/2019 21:28:21 2220876 Link 8 |
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Did you attend any Super 8 games? P W D L Meath 3 0 0 3 -26 0 Save any cash on the above? jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 04/08/2019 21:56:32 2220893 Link 4 |
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No as I went to them all. Enjoyable matches so glad I did. Can't see myself going to a Dublin match outside of the league ever again.
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 04/08/2019 23:32:00 2220940 Link 10 |
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Not sure if this has been raised but dont want to go through 25 pages of posts but what are peoples thoughts on why Dublin are not as successful in hurling as in football? fireinthebelly (Galway) - Posts: 89 - 06/08/2019 18:54:20 2221802 Link 0 |
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Id argue that they are successful in hurling at all grades including club. Given the platform they were starting from versus their football colleague's. Beating the Galways of this world is a huge step forward. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 06/08/2019 19:48:51 2221835 Link 3 |
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Yes indeed you'd wonder how the resources were allocated to hurling in Dublin. Given as you pointed out yourself hurling was at a much lower participation level. A fair amount of that 18 million must have been spent on hurling, which indeed it was. So perhaps a much more accurate description would be that since games development funding was increased that Dublin GDF going to football is nowhere near 18 million. Yet that figure gets very easily attached to football by the naysayers? Why? So could you say 9 million of GDF has been spent on football alone since 2003 I don't know for certain but I just can't take anyone seriously when they give the figure of 18 million when a large portion of that has been spent on hurling.. It's like the ridiculous statement that Dublin footballers have 1.6 million people to pick from. People just are not being accurate but they don't care because it suits a certain agenda and then cry foul when their ignorance is laughed at.. Weird carry on. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 06/08/2019 20:25:46 2221864 Link 5 |
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Jim....give over...obviously Jim Gavin gets a cheque for 18m every January to run this exceptional senior football team alone!
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 06/08/2019 21:03:53 2221894 Link 5 |
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Ha.. It is priceless though when that 18 mill figure is so lazily, ignorantly and deliberately attached to football. It's just not true yet time and time again it's what is said.. Then they get frustrated when we laugh and denounce it. It really is like saying "Sure Dublin are only winning cause they have 1.6 million players to pick from" Just can't take that level of nonsense seriously and it's such a common thing to see on here over the years and this 18 mill lark goes hand and hand with it: Hurling has received a large portion of GDF The exact % I don't know but considering the take up of hurling in Dublin it's obviously received a good sized amount considering how low participation levels were. It's simply not true that 18 million has been spent on football. Hurling has equally been part of this project. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 06/08/2019 21:29:10 2221905 Link 4 |
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Yep agree it was a big win for them against Galway but they couldnt back it up against Laois, had they won that they wouldve played Tipp in a quarter final in croke park with a big support no doubt, a Tipp team who they beat in Thurles in the league quarter final earlier in the league so who knows how that wouldve gone. I kinda feel like it was a case of 1 step forward, 2 steps back for Dublin this year well at Senior anyways, not sure how they did in underage.Regardless of underage success it does not always translate into Senior success as Galway hurling folk know too well. Next year Dublin may not even get out of Leinster given how competitive it now is. fireinthebelly (Galway) - Posts: 89 - 06/08/2019 21:49:50 2221922 Link 0 |
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They are succesful. A few recent club all ireland's and they have won leinster in the last 10 years which they were a billion miles off winning before the funds appeared. 2 all Ireland semi finals and leinster this year proved they are very close to galway, wexford and KK. Only a puck of the ball between the lot of them. Oh and I forgot a national league title too. This myth that funds and resources isn't helping the hurling is exactly that a myth. I enjoyed seeing the Dublin hurling success and hope they win a leinster again soon and an all Ireland in the next 5 years. But I pray they never dominate it the way Dublin do in football or KK used to do. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 06/08/2019 22:00:00 2221927 Link 9 |
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Didn't the GAA give Dublin 5 million euro to develop hurling about 6/7 years ago on top of all the 18 million!
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/08/2019 22:06:25 2221936 Link 6 |
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good luck to dublin they have the ability to attract a level of funding that other counties can only aspire to, and they are good at getting it, no issue with that. but Horan begins to sound a bit like comical ali when he says money has no bearing on success, of course it does, in any sport it does. Hopefully Dublin won't be the victims of any more mean spirited motions at Congress which try to ensure that Dublin can only play 4 home games out of 6 instead of 5........ totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 912 - 08/08/2019 15:31:11 2222716 Link 5 |
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oooh the sarcasm...
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 08/08/2019 16:13:13 2222732 Link 4 |
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Just looking at Ewan McKenna's Twitter feed. He's arguing with Dubs fans. I'm not on said social media platform so can't reply but a few things I'd like to communicate. Without getting into a tit for tat with posters, I am not anti Dub generally. I supported them hugely in the past, was for some reason a massive Jack Sheedy fan. I could go on... blah blah blah etc etc etc the upshot: I'm not inherently anti Dublin, I live there. The current team have some excellent players and 20s or 50s in their back pockets don't make them kick the ball over the bar, everybody gets this. Love watching Con OC playing as do I CKilkenny, McCaff, Fenton and McCarthy. Gavin obv a gentleman. However, and I speak for myself only but maybe represent the views of others, financial investment is shown to correlate with increased success. Do Dublin posters understand and accept this? It's shown so often and across so many sports, it's very nearly fact (as with all theories, can never be proven definitively, only disproven). Secondly, home advantage has been shown to have a significant correlation with success. Together at such a high level these are 2 massive, massive issues. Do Dub fans accept and understand these 2 issues as being relevant and can you therefore understand how the rest of the country (some of us) have a great issue with this team potentially breaking a record in the next few weeks? Genuine and balanced responses only please wicklu (Wicklow) - Posts: 331 - 09/08/2019 14:24:55 2223042 Link 1 |
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If the basis for your opinion is the likes of Ewan McKenna, got to stop it right there. If you do feel "financial investment is shown to correlate with increased success" well outline exactly what Dublin are spending money on, I know! and it is not the inter-county team, so come on tell me, without referring to a spoofer like Ewan. What I can tell you is everything you need to know is in the public domain to hand you can easily educate yourself with the need for a priest to interpret the bible. Lastly home advantage, what are you talking about? do you really think it makes a difference against this Dublin team? when to use your own words "The current team have some excellent players and 20s or 50s in their back pockets don't make them kick the ball over the bar, everybody gets this.". You might be polite in your choice of words but an insult is still an insult, half truths are half truths and sorry but it is hard to take this when people are quoting others not the harsh reality of printed/posted public information.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 09/08/2019 14:49:46 2223053 Link 2 |
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Grand. Seems fair to summarise that we disagree specifically on (i) home advantage being an advantage at all in sport and (ii) financial investment not correlating to sporting success. Yeah? I'm happy with this stance. Happy to agree to disagree with a point of view once I know specifically what that POV is wicklu (Wicklow) - Posts: 331 - 09/08/2019 15:32:51 2223079 Link 1 |
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Well if you're just interested in seeonh what other posters' points of view are i agree with him totally.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 09/08/2019 17:07:13 2223126 Link 4 |
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Yep, just that, interested in the seemingly unbridgeable chasm between Dub fans and some of the rest of us. So again, you believe that home advantage is not an influencing issue in sport at all and financial investment is also not an influencing issue in sport at all. That's fine if you believe that, and it could even be true, but it does mean that if either of those were proven to be influential then you and those who agree with that POV would have some serious backtracking to do and a lot of humble pie to eat. As would me and my ilk, should it be definitively shown that neither of the above have any influence wicklu (Wicklow) - Posts: 331 - 09/08/2019 18:30:59 2223154 Link 2 |
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So you know, so instead of berating others why dont you enlighten us with your breakdown of facts, lets have it.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 09/08/2019 18:59:20 2223164 Link 2 |