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A bad weekend for Cavan football . Laragh are probably the only team who can hold there heads high. They were desperately unlucky and died with there boots on playing against a top tyrone team away from home.
As for Castlerathan how much of a chance do you need to win an ulster quarter final ? Its not there fault though that the standard is so poor in this county but they are just a very mediocre outfit.
Killinkere will be playing division one club football and couldn't get over the line against a mid table division 3 team in monaghan. I think that says it all about where we are in this county. I think we all know at this stage that something needs to change in regards the amount of clubs but we will still be having this conversation this time next year realistically.

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 139 - 03/11/2019 16:49:47    2247424

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Replying To blueskies:  "A bad weekend for Cavan football . Laragh are probably the only team who can hold there heads high. They were desperately unlucky and died with there boots on playing against a top tyrone team away from home.
As for Castlerathan how much of a chance do you need to win an ulster quarter final ? Its not there fault though that the standard is so poor in this county but they are just a very mediocre outfit.
Killinkere will be playing division one club football and couldn't get over the line against a mid table division 3 team in monaghan. I think that says it all about where we are in this county. I think we all know at this stage that something needs to change in regards the amount of clubs but we will still be having this conversation this time next year realistically."
Good post.

Truth be told we'll be having the same conversation in a decade as nothing will change.

Dark days ahead for Cavan football on a number of fronts. No real up and coming talent, best player unavailable in 2020.

And off the pitch, the continued rise of rugby in Ireland is bound to have a knock on effect on participation numbers. A reactive rather than proactive Co board is sadly what we have.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 03/11/2019 17:27:25    2247433

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While too many clubs might be a reason that cavan clubs don't do well in ulster it was no effect on the county team cause you still have the same players.
Less clubs would decrease the amount of players.
And while the cb is pretty useless having clubs join is not the answer.
It is disappointing that cavan senior clubs don't well when they get into ulster but at junior and intermediate they do hold their own.

tom84 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 03/11/2019 17:46:22    2247444

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Replying To tom84:  "While too many clubs might be a reason that cavan clubs don't do well in ulster it was no effect on the county team cause you still have the same players.
Less clubs would decrease the amount of players.
And while the cb is pretty useless having clubs join is not the answer.
It is disappointing that cavan senior clubs don't well when they get into ulster but at junior and intermediate they do hold their own."
How would less clubs decrease the amount of players?

You would still have the same players, but the standard of football would increase in terms of quality. Take mid Cavan for example. Arva, Killeshandra, Ballinagh, Lacken, Cornafean. All within a stones throw of other. Absolutely no need for 5 clubs in a small area, three is plenty. So instead of five mediocre teams, you'd have three good teams as the player pool is not as diluted as it was.

Unity is a force multiplier, division causes weakness. Monaghan have around 29 clubs, and we have 40. This is daft. It is time for some clubs to disband and swallow their pride, join together with their neighbours and then we might finally have a county team worth shouting about.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 370 - 03/11/2019 18:19:48    2247467

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "How would less clubs decrease the amount of players?

You would still have the same players, but the standard of football would increase in terms of quality. Take mid Cavan for example. Arva, Killeshandra, Ballinagh, Lacken, Cornafean. All within a stones throw of other. Absolutely no need for 5 clubs in a small area, three is plenty. So instead of five mediocre teams, you'd have three good teams as the player pool is not as diluted as it was.

Unity is a force multiplier, division causes weakness. Monaghan have around 29 clubs, and we have 40. This is daft. It is time for some clubs to disband and swallow their pride, join together with their neighbours and then we might finally have a county team worth shouting about."
So cavan gales and drumalee
Crosserlough ballymahugh
Castlerahan Denn
Ramor mahera, ramor take their players anyway
Just to name a few

Tourist (USA) - Posts: 19 - 03/11/2019 18:29:40    2247468

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "How would less clubs decrease the amount of players?

You would still have the same players, but the standard of football would increase in terms of quality. Take mid Cavan for example. Arva, Killeshandra, Ballinagh, Lacken, Cornafean. All within a stones throw of other. Absolutely no need for 5 clubs in a small area, three is plenty. So instead of five mediocre teams, you'd have three good teams as the player pool is not as diluted as it was.

Unity is a force multiplier, division causes weakness. Monaghan have around 29 clubs, and we have 40. This is daft. It is time for some clubs to disband and swallow their pride, join together with their neighbours and then we might finally have a county team worth shouting about."
With less clubs less places for players to play so they go and play other sports.
I don't see how less clubs means better county team. Your right it will prob mean better club teams but the same players in the county.
The role of cavan gaa is to promote football in the county and not just the best players but all players should be given a chance to play. The county is for the best players in the county.
It is disappointing to see cavan teams do badly in ulster but Dublin are suppose to be the greatest team ever but ya don't see Dublin clubs winning all before them. Crofin have a great club team now yet Galway are as far off winning all Ireland. Derry clubs have one of the best record in ulster club but the county is no good.

tom84 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 03/11/2019 19:53:13    2247494

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Replying To tom84:  "With less clubs less places for players to play so they go and play other sports.
I don't see how less clubs means better county team. Your right it will prob mean better club teams but the same players in the county.
The role of cavan gaa is to promote football in the county and not just the best players but all players should be given a chance to play. The county is for the best players in the county.
It is disappointing to see cavan teams do badly in ulster but Dublin are suppose to be the greatest team ever but ya don't see Dublin clubs winning all before them. Crofin have a great club team now yet Galway are as far off winning all Ireland. Derry clubs have one of the best record in ulster club but the county is no good."
Tom 84

Tomsmith here

What Cavan Shambles is proposing is that we have Divisional teams.
I can see that he is well informed and I like him proposals

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3225 - 03/11/2019 21:43:15    2247531

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In Antrim, st Galls won a club all Ireland
Maybe the so called bigger clubs should be trying to transfer the bigger players from the smaller clubs t if rahan had gearoid Mc kiernan today would they have won, probly yes

Tourist (USA) - Posts: 19 - 03/11/2019 22:03:07    2247533

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Here, are we seriously talking about the amount of clubs in this county as being our problem. The problem is attitude attitude attitude. Glenties catchment area has a population of about 1500!!! It's a rural area where most of the population are well past playing age. Castlerahans catchment is hitting 3000. This county just isn't producing any smart, tough, honest footballers either. It's a major problem. How many Leo mc loones, Thompson's are in Cavan? None!!! Glenties have 3. That's the difference. That's glenties fourth big game in 14 days and the Cavan representatives couldn't beat them. Let that sink in.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 387 - 03/11/2019 23:25:11    2247552

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Replying To Tourist:  "In Antrim, st Galls won a club all Ireland
Maybe the so called bigger clubs should be trying to transfer the bigger players from the smaller clubs t if rahan had gearoid Mc kiernan today would they have won, probly yes"
Castlerahan were missing their own stalwart midfielder in David Wright who would have made a difference. Missed the guts of 3 goals and 5-6 points in the first half. Cant be doing that and expecting to win. Disappointing day for them. I thought they let Glenties control the tempo for most of the game. They slowed it down to snails pace to suit themselves. Their goalie took an age to kick out the ball every single time and only once was he blown for taking too much time when he continued that throughout the game. They had 15 men behind the ball for most of the game and broke at serious pace when Castlerahan were turned over - generally a 3 man tackle on the ball carrier. Reminded me of Tyrone 'puke football' tactics as coined by Pat Spillane. Glenties have lost the last 3 donegal finals so they too are a seasoned team - not one hit wonders just this year. I dont think the level is that poor in Cavan - look at the results from other games over the weekend. Kilcoo and Magherafelt 1-11 to 0.09, Clontibret and Crossmaglen 0.10 to 0.09, Ballyboden and Thomas Davies 15 to 0.09 and Corofin and Tuam 11 to 0.08.
What are people expecting to see at club level i wonder?

clownonthetown (Cavan) - Posts: 41 - 04/11/2019 09:07:34    2247576

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I was at the castlerahan game yesterday. What surprised me was the lack of county standard players on the castlerahan team. Maybe oisin kiernan and the big number 8 and they are both average. It was very surprising. Whilst I looked at naomh conaill and they had the Thompson's and o donnell and mc loone who all stood out from the rest. Even clontibret against crossmaglen you could pick out the county standard men easily on both teams. I didn't have a programme on purpose and i really could only pick number 6 and 8 as any form of county men. Maybe number 4 at a push too. I think Cavan have some top class players but that grade and level of county man is lacking big time and especially for the county champions aswell.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 165 - 04/11/2019 11:40:25    2247617

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Replying To clownonthetown:  "Castlerahan were missing their own stalwart midfielder in David Wright who would have made a difference. Missed the guts of 3 goals and 5-6 points in the first half. Cant be doing that and expecting to win. Disappointing day for them. I thought they let Glenties control the tempo for most of the game. They slowed it down to snails pace to suit themselves. Their goalie took an age to kick out the ball every single time and only once was he blown for taking too much time when he continued that throughout the game. They had 15 men behind the ball for most of the game and broke at serious pace when Castlerahan were turned over - generally a 3 man tackle on the ball carrier. Reminded me of Tyrone 'puke football' tactics as coined by Pat Spillane. Glenties have lost the last 3 donegal finals so they too are a seasoned team - not one hit wonders just this year. I dont think the level is that poor in Cavan - look at the results from other games over the weekend. Kilcoo and Magherafelt 1-11 to 0.09, Clontibret and Crossmaglen 0.10 to 0.09, Ballyboden and Thomas Davies 15 to 0.09 and Corofin and Tuam 11 to 0.08.
What are people expecting to see at club level i wonder?"
look ...there is no breaking news here...we all knew club standard is very low . There is no surprise that a very tired Glenties only win by 3pts. Luckily for Castlerahan otherwise it would have been 10+
when is the last time we have had county champions competitive in any way in Ulster (excluding getting an easy draw and being flogged in the final once) ?

Jimjo (Cavan) - Posts: 55 - 04/11/2019 12:11:12    2247631

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tom 84

Tomsmith here

What Cavan Shambles is proposing is that we have Divisional teams.
I can see that he is well informed and I like him proposals"
But divisional teams can't play in ulster.
The problem with cavan football is too much self interest. It's from the club up.
Most people who are involved at club under age level have a child playing on the team and are only interested in their own winning. Not in developing players and the skills of the game.
Cavan geals of the 90s and 00s under age were fantastic. Why. Because they had the Reillys training them and they were trying to bring players on so they could play senior football for the geals.
Look at their under age since them

tom84 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 04/11/2019 12:59:10    2247643

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tom 84

Tomsmith here

What Cavan Shambles is proposing is that we have Divisional teams.
I can see that he is well informed and I like him proposals"
Tom Smith,

You're a man who has called for the introduction of divisional teams for many years. It can now be seen that they are indeed necessary and warranted. Tom, simply put, you are a visionary.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 04/11/2019 20:24:52    2247756

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Cavan, Fermanagh, Leitrim, Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford, Louth - the seven counties whose club scene has not produced a senior provincial championship winning side in Gaelic football. Says it all about the standards in the county.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 301 - 07/11/2019 21:02:00    2248442

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Replying To GallantJohnJoe:  "Cavan, Fermanagh, Leitrim, Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford, Louth - the seven counties whose club scene has not produced a senior provincial championship winning side in Gaelic football. Says it all about the standards in the county."
is this true?... feels about right. Club football in Cavan for along time now has been appalling,

Jimjo (Cavan) - Posts: 55 - 08/11/2019 10:45:26    2248524

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Replying To GallantJohnJoe:  "Cavan, Fermanagh, Leitrim, Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford, Louth - the seven counties whose club scene has not produced a senior provincial championship winning side in Gaelic football. Says it all about the standards in the county."
List of counties that have: Antrim, Carlow, Limerick, Clare, Sligo, Westmeath, Offaly and Laois. It's almost like there's no correlation.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 08/11/2019 11:04:01    2248534

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "List of counties that have: Antrim, Carlow, Limerick, Clare, Sligo, Westmeath, Offaly and Laois. It's almost like there's no correlation."
Your point being? Mine is that we have both a club scene and a county team that are miles off the pace, which is almost unique in football-first counties.

And please don't mention the fact we've operated in Division 1 twice in recent seasons, we were relegated with a whimper on both occasions. The Ulster Final this year? The biggest 5 point annihilation you'll ever see. 2 Ulster Minor titles in the last 60 years also if you're counting.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 301 - 08/11/2019 12:23:09    2248555

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You know the standard within the county is Poor when a team like castlerathan are the dominant force . They are just a middle of the road team who probably wouldn't come close in any other county. It's time for the likes of crosserlough , gowna , ramor and laragh to start raising standards. I think laragh are a coming team they were a credit to the county last weekend.

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 139 - 08/11/2019 21:20:03    2248667

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "List of counties that have: Antrim, Carlow, Limerick, Clare, Sligo, Westmeath, Offaly and Laois. It's almost like there's no correlation."
Clare, Westmeath, and Laois have all won as many county senior provincial titles as us since the AI club championships started. Sligo and Offaly have won more. Let that sink in.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 454 - 08/11/2019 22:09:52    2248677

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