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Replying To DonaldDuck: "Can we do away with Brolly. Surely the majority of viewers think he is too hard to listen too. He rabbles on, interrupts and pushes his own agenda which usually deflects from what the people want to see. He once said Cavan was the black death of GAA. I think brolly is now the black death of GAA punditry. he should be left to squalor in the newspapers were you have a choice to read his opinion and not rammed down your throat.
foxes_denn (Cavan) - Posts: 122 - 1/30/19 1:16:58 PM I wouldnt stop using Brolly. Just have people on who will counter the bluster he comes out with all too often
A big improvement on Michael Lyster in my opinion.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12193 - 1/30/19 1:33:46 PMwouldnt be difficult. Lyster was old school in worst/best way. Didnt challenge the panel members anywhere near enough. RTE had to move on
Wasn't impressed with her at all I have to say. I will cut her some slack as she is new to the job and will take time to grow into the role. She will need to learn that the pundits are there to give their opinion and she is there to steer the conversation and present the show. Lyster made this look effortlessly easy and she will probably suffer initially as those comparisons continue to be made. A good anchor will allow the pundits to express their opinions, cut them off when required and seek clarification on unclear points etc etc. I felt she was definitely too forceful on Sunday night but as I say she's learning so let's give her time. I'm sure Michael Lyster, Bill O'Herlihy and all great presenters took their time to learn their craft so let's give her the same.
TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 44 - 1/30/19 1:41:55 PMShe isnt new to the role as a presenter and she's worked very well as a presenter on Against The Head and many other shows before.
Yes pundits are there to give opinions but the presenter is as well and the presenter is there to call out bulls*** and nonsense from panelists. Lyster didnt steer the show half as well as he could of and let Brolly etc say crap that should have been countered a lot more.
Not really a fan of her style of constant interruptions. Not just Brolly either. It was with everyone.
There is an art to letting conversation flow and personally I don't like seeing the host getting too involved. Just steer the conversation but don't become part of it.
Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 1534 - 1/30/19 5:27:17 PMBut you are assuming that is what the hosts job is. It isnt. They are as much a part of the conversation as any others
Cantwell is even more annoying than Brolly and that is some trick. Bland, boring drone like questions like something off Virgin or Eir truly dreadful. At least with TG4 you can have fun guessing what they saying on RTE you just turn the sound down.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3888 - 1/30/19 6:08:01 PM Ah she isnt bland. Now Michael Lyster was bland. Joanne is far from it.
First of all let me say I like Joanne, she's very good and will get better. But in the name of RTE's lefty agenda, Moloney was never going to get the gig, I'm surprised Panty Bliss didn't get it at this stage.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7100 - 1/30/19 6:24:25 PMLefty agenda....??? You havent a clue if you think RTE is orientated that way....." The presenter is not there to give their opinion. They are not analysts. They can steer conversation and ask questions but constant interruptions when someone is trying to make a point does not make for good television.
I think people are letting their dislike for Brolly cloud their judgement. Just because she stopped Brolly rambling on doesn't mean that style is suited when it's done with everyone else also.
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The presenter is not there to give their opinion. They are not analysts. They can steer conversation and ask questions but constant interruptions when someone is trying to make a point does not make for good television.
I think people are letting their dislike for Brolly cloud their judgement. Just because she stopped Brolly rambling on doesn't mean that style is suited when it's done with everyone else also.
Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 1536 - 1/30/19 7:18:59 PMWhere exactly does it state that a presenter isnt to give their opinion. They certainly are there to give opinion if the case warrants and She doesnt constantly interrupt people.
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To be honest the vast majority of viewers would prefer to see less of the analysts and more of the games. Barely a mention of division 3 or 4
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She's a lot better than des Cahill but that wouldn't be hard.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 30/01/2019 20:07:00
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What's your position in RTE Donald?
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Joe Brolly is from Derry, Derry are in division 4, the lowest one of the league. This to me disqualifies him because he does not speak from a position of success. Colm O Rourke is the same, when was the last time Meath won anything? 10 years? 20?. Spillane has had success with Kerry- in the 70's and 80's. He knows nothing about football in 2019. Slán
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Replying To galwayford: "Joe Brolly is from Derry, Derry are in division 4, the lowest one of the league. This to me disqualifies him because he does not speak from a position of success. Colm O Rourke is the same, when was the last time Meath won anything? 10 years? 20?. Spillane has had success with Kerry- in the 70's and 80's. He knows nothing about football in 2019. Slán" So you need your county to have had recent success to have a valid opinion?
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A bug reason I like Joanne is she seems to enjoy gaelic football none of the other pundits on rté seem to
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Replying To DonaldDuck: "The presenter is not there to give their opinion. They are not analysts. They can steer conversation and ask questions but constant interruptions when someone is trying to make a point does not make for good television.
I think people are letting their dislike for Brolly cloud their judgement. Just because she stopped Brolly rambling on doesn't mean that style is suited when it's done with everyone else also.
Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 1536 - 1/30/19 7:18:59 PMWhere exactly does it state that a presenter isnt to give their opinion. They certainly are there to give opinion if the case warrants and She doesnt constantly interrupt people." Incorrect on both counts there.
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Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 1538 - 1/30/19 10:40:48 PMHow so? Nonsense to say that im incorrect on either actually
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 31/01/2019 00:38:54
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Replying To DonaldDuck: "The presenter is not there to give their opinion. They are not analysts. They can steer conversation and ask questions but constant interruptions when someone is trying to make a point does not make for good television.
I think people are letting their dislike for Brolly cloud their judgement. Just because she stopped Brolly rambling on doesn't mean that style is suited when it's done with everyone else also.
Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 1536 - 1/30/19 7:18:59 PMWhere exactly does it state that a presenter isnt to give their opinion. They certainly are there to give opinion if the case warrants and She doesnt constantly interrupt people." The late great Bill O'Herlihy always used to say the presenter is there to facilitate debate between the experts on the panel and to ask questions a fan might want asked. But it was not the presenter's job to give an opinion, that's the panelists job. I think he might have known better than most about presenting.
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Replying To Chipstix: "To be honest the vast majority of viewers would prefer to see less of the analysts and more of the games. Barely a mention of division 3 or 4" Totally agree with you. This is going on year in, year out and RTE never change. They aren't exactly doing much to promote the game outside div 1. A pretty pathetic mention of the other divisions, just to cover their backsides. They should rename it Division 1 League Sunday and be honest about it.
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Replying To galwayford: "Joe Brolly is from Derry, Derry are in division 4, the lowest one of the league. This to me disqualifies him because he does not speak from a position of success. Colm O Rourke is the same, when was the last time Meath won anything? 10 years? 20?. Spillane has had success with Kerry- in the 70's and 80's. He knows nothing about football in 2019. Slán" And what qualifications have you got from your position of success?
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I was very skeptical but after seeing the show at the weekend I was delighted. Finally we will have an anchor who enforces some standards and doesn't let these guys away with lazy and shoddy analysis. Her challenges to Brolly who was in the middle of one of his rambling nonsensical diatribes was excellent. And it was very telling how taken aback he was, he's not used to anyone looking for backup or proof from him. She was excellent and I'm looking forward to seeing how she does similarly with others who have poor analysis like Spillane, Whelan, O Se etc.
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2553 - 31/01/2019 07:49:52
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Because I consider myself to be a fair and honest broker I was somewhat saddened when I became aware that my post on this topic was removed, I then posted a refreshed version but sadly that failed to get past the Mod. I'm not sure where I went wrong when I look at other comparison posts here.?
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 31/01/2019 09:59:35
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Replying To realdub: "What's your position in RTE Donald?" Its Ormo!!!! get it right. :)
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Replying To realdub: "First of all let me say I like Joanne, she's very good and will get better. But in the name of RTE's lefty agenda, Moloney was never going to get the gig, I'm surprised Panty Bliss didn't get it at this stage." Lol
Couldn't agree more
I've worked in the industry my entire adult life and studied it for years before that
There was no justification for her landing that gig ahead of far more seasoned and qualified broadcasters who enjoyed far more experience.
It was an absolute strategic move made by RTÉ after suffering a lot of bad PR regarding gender inequalities
It was a pat on the head move to appease the noise being made against them.
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Replying To dubarra: "And what qualifications have you got from your position of success?" Galway are Hurling champions in 2017, and All Ireland semi finalists in Gaelic football in 2018.
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Couldn't agree more
I've worked in the industry my entire adult life and studied it for years before that
There was no justification for her landing that gig ahead of far more seasoned and qualified broadcasters who enjoyed far more experience.
It was an absolute strategic move made by RTÉ after suffering a lot of bad PR regarding gender inequalities
It was a pat on the head move to appease the noise being made against them.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18799 - 1/31/19 10:33:23 AM
I don't know Jimbo, if I may put forward the case of myself and the looney, left, liberal, snowflakes (I think that covers it?) ;)
Cantwell is articulate and knowledgable and seems to be quite professional in her presentation. She has worked for RTÉ as a sports correspondent for a long number of years now at this stage. She seems like a natural fit as far as I can see?
If not her, then who? Darragh Maloney? Sure he's the soccer anchor now, as well as still commentating on GAA, so they'd hardly give him the gig.
I think rather than being a purely PR equality appointment, Cantwell's appointment was a chance to do both. She literally ticks all the boxes for them. She's good PR from an equality point of view and she's an extremely fitting appointment from a GAA point of view too.
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