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Replying To KY4SAM2015:  "
Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "One round of league games where all teams are not near up to speed does not provide proof of anything. You may be able to infer some sort of trend at the end of the league campaign but you'd likely have to analyse the percentage of home victories, taking all relevant factors into account (e.g. team already relegated / guaranteed a league final position, significant percentage of the panel still involved with their club etc.), over a significant period before you can come towards anything approaching a definitive conclusion."
You dont need a tribunal of investigation to know that of course playing home matches in the Gaa is an advantage as in the majority of other team sports. The main relevant factor is that home teams win more then away teams."
I doubt anyone is disputing that, on average, teams will win more at home than away. There are exceptions (e.g. Huddersfield, Palace, Leicester etc. in the Premier league this season) but the general rule of thumb is a team will win more at home. Furlong had previously provided the stat the home teams win 57% of matches (I'm assuming he's checked his facts) in the league, which points to a decent, if not overwhelming, advantage.

My issue was with the knee jerk reaction that you can prove "that home advantage is massive in Gaelic football" just from one round of league fixtures played in poor conditions in January. Bringing talk of tribunals into it, however tongue in cheek, just smacks of a straw man argument.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 31/01/2019 12:24:27    2161162

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When Kerry , Tyrone, Kilkenny and Meath were top dogs in their relevant codes you could play them anywhere and most likely lose, nobody will convince me that top players are not familiar with croke park , ultra top players Want to play there, it's the soft centered fans on here with the complex

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 31/01/2019 19:10:07    2161261

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "
Replying To KY4SAM2015:  "[quote=Kurt_Angle:  "One round of league games where all teams are not near up to speed does not provide proof of anything. You may be able to infer some sort of trend at the end of the league campaign but you'd likely have to analyse the percentage of home victories, taking all relevant factors into account (e.g. team already relegated / guaranteed a league final position, significant percentage of the panel still involved with their club etc.), over a significant period before you can come towards anything approaching a definitive conclusion."
You dont need a tribunal of investigation to know that of course playing home matches in the Gaa is an advantage as in the majority of other team sports. The main relevant factor is that home teams win more then away teams."
I doubt anyone is disputing that, on average, teams will win more at home than away. There are exceptions (e.g. Huddersfield, Palace, Leicester etc. in the Premier league this season) but the general rule of thumb is a team will win more at home. Furlong had previously provided the stat the home teams win 57% of matches (I'm assuming he's checked his facts) in the league, which points to a decent, if not overwhelming, advantage.

My issue was with the knee jerk reaction that you can prove "that home advantage is massive in Gaelic football" just from one round of league fixtures played in poor conditions in January. Bringing talk of tribunals into it, however tongue in cheek, just smacks of a straw man argument."]Well you have to defne what is meant by a "home" ground. Gooch must have played in Croke Park (an away ground for him if it's home for Dublin) more times than a lot of players on the Dublin panel. Could that be said about Gooch and any other away ground? Fact is that the top players from the top counties are very familiar with Croke Park. They've been playing minor finals, senior league semis/finals, AI series in Croke Park for years. It's a home away from home for most. The common home/away analogy can't be used for what is essentially a neutral ground. Get the Dubs back to the Neller.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 31/01/2019 19:24:27    2161265

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Replying To Joxer:  "
Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "[quote=KY4SAM2015:  "[quote=Kurt_Angle:  "One round of league games where all teams are not near up to speed does not provide proof of anything. You may be able to infer some sort of trend at the end of the league campaign but you'd likely have to analyse the percentage of home victories, taking all relevant factors into account (e.g. team already relegated / guaranteed a league final position, significant percentage of the panel still involved with their club etc.), over a significant period before you can come towards anything approaching a definitive conclusion."
You dont need a tribunal of investigation to know that of course playing home matches in the Gaa is an advantage as in the majority of other team sports. The main relevant factor is that home teams win more then away teams."
I doubt anyone is disputing that, on average, teams will win more at home than away. There are exceptions (e.g. Huddersfield, Palace, Leicester etc. in the Premier league this season) but the general rule of thumb is a team will win more at home. Furlong had previously provided the stat the home teams win 57% of matches (I'm assuming he's checked his facts) in the league, which points to a decent, if not overwhelming, advantage.

My issue was with the knee jerk reaction that you can prove "that home advantage is massive in Gaelic football" just from one round of league fixtures played in poor conditions in January. Bringing talk of tribunals into it, however tongue in cheek, just smacks of a straw man argument."]Well you have to defne what is meant by a "home" ground. Gooch must have played in Croke Park (an away ground for him if it's home for Dublin) more times than a lot of players on the Dublin panel. Could that be said about Gooch and any other away ground? Fact is that the top players from the top counties are very familiar with Croke Park. They've been playing minor finals, senior league semis/finals, AI series in Croke Park for years. It's a home away from home for most. The common home/away analogy can't be used for what is essentially a neutral ground. Get the Dubs back to the Neller."]We haven't lost a championship game at home in 22 years.

Also Damo crokepark pitch plays different to other pitches and Iv heard that from Kerry minor and senior players, on a wet day it's a total nightmare and that's their words not mine, so you can see how ye being used to the pitch would help plus you got the crowd factor .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 31/01/2019 20:02:03    2161269

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "
Replying To Joxer:  "[quote=Kurt_Angle:  "[quote=KY4SAM2015:  "[quote=Kurt_Angle:  "One round of league games where all teams are not near up to speed does not provide proof of anything. You may be able to infer some sort of trend at the end of the league campaign but you'd likely have to analyse the percentage of home victories, taking all relevant factors into account (e.g. team already relegated / guaranteed a league final position, significant percentage of the panel still involved with their club etc.), over a significant period before you can come towards anything approaching a definitive conclusion."
You dont need a tribunal of investigation to know that of course playing home matches in the Gaa is an advantage as in the majority of other team sports. The main relevant factor is that home teams win more then away teams."
I doubt anyone is disputing that, on average, teams will win more at home than away. There are exceptions (e.g. Huddersfield, Palace, Leicester etc. in the Premier league this season) but the general rule of thumb is a team will win more at home. Furlong had previously provided the stat the home teams win 57% of matches (I'm assuming he's checked his facts) in the league, which points to a decent, if not overwhelming, advantage.

My issue was with the knee jerk reaction that you can prove "that home advantage is massive in Gaelic football" just from one round of league fixtures played in poor conditions in January. Bringing talk of tribunals into it, however tongue in cheek, just smacks of a straw man argument."]Well you have to defne what is meant by a "home" ground. Gooch must have played in Croke Park (an away ground for him if it's home for Dublin) more times than a lot of players on the Dublin panel. Could that be said about Gooch and any other away ground? Fact is that the top players from the top counties are very familiar with Croke Park. They've been playing minor finals, senior league semis/finals, AI series in Croke Park for years. It's a home away from home for most. The common home/away analogy can't be used for what is essentially a neutral ground. Get the Dubs back to the Neller."]We haven't lost a championship game at home in 22 years.

Also Damo crokepark pitch plays different to other pitches and Iv heard that from Kerry minor and senior players, on a wet day it's a total nightmare and that's their words not mine, so you can see how ye being used to the pitch would help plus you got the crowd factor ."]We don't get to train in Croke Park, your minors must think it's a second home , out haven't played there in god knows how long , your home pitch is were you train and get to know every blade of grass

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 31/01/2019 21:19:28    2161279

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