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Replying To witnof:  "Blah blah blah blah blah........

Err.....shouldn't we try them and then have the debate? All the rest is just opinated bull****

Then we can have discussions on actual results....but any debate now is like Brexit...based on self serving interests but with zero or little actual facts."
Ah sorry I thought I was in an Internet forum here where fans discuss aspects of topics they are interested in. I am such an IDIOT!

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2602 - 09/01/2019 20:36:03    2156305

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It's hard to understand how some people still think the three hand pass rule makes blankets more difficult use.
Everyone can agree it's easier to retain the ball from a hand pass than a kick pass, yes?
So if you get enough of your own men zonally marking their own scoring zone (I.e. a blanket) and the opposition are forced to kick, to retain possession, the attacking team must go backwards. It'll be even uglier than before.

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 127 - 09/01/2019 20:39:10    2156306

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Replying To football first:  "Can you explain to me what's wrong with a "29 pass move". I'd prefer that, compared to the lumping away of possession in the "glorious???" catch and kick days."
After 30 seconds Dublin had the ball inside Tyrone 14 yard line, after 80 seconds it was back on the Dublin 45 despite no Tyrone man getting near it and almost all passes played under no pressure. 1 pass in the middle of the move was to a man in 40 yards of space. It was smart play and was the right thing to do at the time to get a result. Some people like that, some would admire a 300 pass move with no pressure on the ball, but as viewing figures and attendances show many like to see the ball being contested.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2279 - 09/01/2019 21:43:54    2156311

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Tyrone vs Fermanagh 0-2 a piece at half time.. call it a day lads, case dismissed, rules are rubbish

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 127 - 09/01/2019 21:46:41    2156312

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Replying To Sweetspot:  "It's hard to understand how some people still think the three hand pass rule makes blankets more difficult use.
Everyone can agree it's easier to retain the ball from a hand pass than a kick pass, yes?
So if you get enough of your own men zonally marking their own scoring zone (I.e. a blanket) and the opposition are forced to kick, to retain possession, the attacking team must go backwards. It'll be even uglier than before."
Agree. Initially I thought it improved the game having watched first two games but after last week have changed my mind completely.

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1587 - 09/01/2019 21:46:59    2156313

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Tyrone 0-2 Fermanagh 0-2 was a half time score tonight...great value for the patrons there.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 9823 - 09/01/2019 21:59:46    2156317

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Replying To witnof:  "Blah blah blah blah blah........

Err.....shouldn't we try them and then have the debate? All the rest is just opinated bull****

Then we can have discussions on actual results....but any debate now is like Brexit...based on self serving interests but with zero or little actual facts."
Self serving?

We're all just GAA members with opinions here.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12580 - 09/01/2019 22:15:17    2156318

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Tyrone 0-2 Fermanagh 0-2 was a half time score tonight...great value for the patrons there."
Ah it was a pressure game, a lot riding on it, seriously though, bin this rubbish now.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7617 - 10/01/2019 00:57:46    2156333

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Replying To Soma:  "After 30 seconds Dublin had the ball inside Tyrone 14 yard line, after 80 seconds it was back on the Dublin 45 despite no Tyrone man getting near it and almost all passes played under no pressure. 1 pass in the middle of the move was to a man in 40 yards of space. It was smart play and was the right thing to do at the time to get a result. Some people like that, some would admire a 300 pass move with no pressure on the ball, but as viewing figures and attendances show many like to see the ball being contested."
Yeah I completely agree that the little contact element of the game is really hard to watch.

There's an intensity level that's gone a little bit out of football in recent years.

The big thing is we need to encourage teams to push out more and engage the attacking team outside the scoring zone.

I think limiting the handpass to 1 in a row inside a teams own half with no limit once they are in the opposition half would force teams to push out.

It's pretty clear though that limiting hand passing up front encourages mass defending as a response.

The 4 points for a goal, 2 points for a score outside the 45 that I've heard from others isn't a bad concept either. I wouldn't be sure it'd work but I think it's at least more likely to encourage teams to press outside their 45 which is the key.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2602 - 10/01/2019 06:04:23    2156334

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The Croke Park pitch dimensions should also be tightened in advance of football matches.

Some of the dullest matches have come in Croke Park where it's easier to play keep ball on a maximum dimensioned pitch.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2602 - 10/01/2019 06:11:27    2156335

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Replying To Whammo86:  "The Croke Park pitch dimensions should also be tightened in advance of football matches.

Some of the dullest matches have come in Croke Park where it's easier to play keep ball on a maximum dimensioned pitch."
I think that might be a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't! The wide open spaces do enable the expansive "keep ball" tactic. However, a narrowed pitch will enable the packed defence, making penetration more difficult. Its hard to strike a balance in this case.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 510 - 10/01/2019 10:30:53    2156355

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "I think that might be a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't! The wide open spaces do enable the expansive "keep ball" tactic. However, a narrowed pitch will enable the packed defence, making penetration more difficult. Its hard to strike a balance in this case."
Yeah my thinking would be that the scoring zone on a large pitch isn't near the touch line anyway and that's why in Croke Park you can have defenders not over commit themselves around the sideline anyway. It's the middle that they are looking to pack.

It makes it harder to play around the edge of the defensive block without hurting space. That's just me spitballing though, don't know how it would work.

Croker is a big pitch though. 160 by 98 versus 142 by 87 at Clones. You look at Monaghan v Kerry there was a lot more action in that game than in any of the 4 opening Super 8 games.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2602 - 10/01/2019 13:54:57    2156392

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Teams are also being forced to turn around and kick backpasses as they have no other option, this will only get worse. Anyway it will all be over in a couple of weeks.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6380 - 10/01/2019 17:07:58    2156418

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The hand pass rule is a lame duck, does anybody actually want it kept? They're the minority I'd say.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2146 - 10/01/2019 19:08:56    2156453

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To improve what has been some of the awfulness of recent Gaelic Football spectacles what would all the naysayers propose the gaa do? The constant hand passing is covering up the fact that counties don't have 20+players with the basic skill of foot passing the ball when on the run. The naysayers call the football of today 'a running game', that's what it is people running around with no skill on show at all.

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 326 - 10/01/2019 20:45:26    2156469

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Replying To Brian_Coyote:  "To improve what has been some of the awfulness of recent Gaelic Football spectacles what would all the naysayers propose the gaa do? The constant hand passing is covering up the fact that counties don't have 20+players with the basic skill of foot passing the ball when on the run. The naysayers call the football of today 'a running game', that's what it is people running around with no skill on show at all."
We've had some of the greatest games of all time played over the last few years on top of some very bad ones

Hand passing is the result of defensive football

Not the cause.

Hand passing helps to beat the blanket.

The problem is too many teams have decided to adopt defensive football as a means to cover their own inadequacies.

Until this culture and mind set changes it's here to stay

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19533 - 10/01/2019 20:54:32    2156472

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Tyrone 0-2 Fermanagh 0-2 was a half time score tonight...great value for the patrons there."
the lads are amateurs. Give them a break. Did you see the 9-0 drubbing of Burton in the semi final of the Carabou cup? Or the sideline punch up in the Munster V Leinster match recently?

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 1583 - 10/01/2019 22:21:22    2156498

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Gaelic football is one of the greatest field game in the World. Shove your negatives!

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 1583 - 10/01/2019 22:22:17    2156499

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Replying To Brian_Coyote:  "To improve what has been some of the awfulness of recent Gaelic Football spectacles what would all the naysayers propose the gaa do? The constant hand passing is covering up the fact that counties don't have 20+players with the basic skill of foot passing the ball when on the run. The naysayers call the football of today 'a running game', that's what it is people running around with no skill on show at all."
You sound like the auld lad after a few pints longing for the good old days. Foootball is a hell of a lot better than it was 30 years ago, all games evolve with time. And people focus on a few bad games and ignore the brilliant ones.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6380 - 11/01/2019 05:34:36    2156514

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Replying To galwayford:  "the lads are amateurs. Give them a break. Did you see the 9-0 drubbing of Burton in the semi final of the Carabou cup? Or the sideline punch up in the Munster V Leinster match recently?"
I don't think anyone is bashing the players or meant to come across that way, the point is that this half time score line backs up the theory that the three hand pass rule makes blankets easier to implement, especially considering its two traditionally defensive teams

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 127 - 11/01/2019 10:42:49    2156551

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