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If the media continue to focus the bulk of their analysis to poor parts of a game or poor matches and not give good games and great passages of matches the same attention then this thread may continue. There is no way RTE should ever have 2 of Brolly, Spillane or O'Rourke in the same studio for a game again as they all sing of the same football is dead hyme sheet no matter what the game brings. I for one am delighted Michael Lyster has retired and is finished because he didn't help the thing with his line of questioning and he used to have a habit a poking fun at certain matches too. I hope there is more than a week between the last round of the super 8's to the all ireland semi finals in 2019 as well because this had a massive impact on attendances. Very hard to expect supporters to travel to so many games in such a short space of time. As for the neutral rounds of games in croke park....these need to be brought to smaller venues going forward. Croke Park should be only used for winner take all games. Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 21/12/2018 13:51:41 2154919 Link 3 |
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Agree entirely. The whole GAA calendar in a mess from top to bottom tbh. I have started watching the games on sky I cannot abide that trio on RTE at all. The analysis on Sky is top notch imo GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 21/12/2018 14:32:08 2154924 Link 4 |
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I think you are a little lost in the point i was making in that thread, i acknowledged wholly attendances were down in certain games, the point i was making was to a rebuttal that attendances were falling as a trend in football, my point is that more people are attending games of football now then ever before historically across the championship and league, so to say that attendances are falling is wrong, in certain games yes, overall no.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 21/12/2018 14:37:18 2154925 Link 3 |
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Did he manage Cavan at some stage?
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 21/12/2018 15:13:04 2154926 Link 0 |
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I hope TG4 show some more of the excellent games from during the year over the festive period valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 21/12/2018 15:52:59 2154929 Link 1 |
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I have to agree with you completely, apart from watching Dublin, football is way down on my list of sports to watch. Hurling first and foremost followed by rugby.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1910 - 21/12/2018 17:43:16 2154940 Link 1 |
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Ok Gerry, I've posted sources to the figure for my argument in this thread and the other. I'm open minded if you want to do the same, eslewise you are just posting a non evidenced based opinion and speculating. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 21/12/2018 19:36:07 2154952 Link 3 |
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Your source merely says there was an increase in 2018 driven mainly by the extra games at the QF stage which was probably to be expected. Nowhere does it state that total attendances across all competitions is at an all time high, which is what you were claiming. Apologies if I missed it in the article you linked.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 21/12/2018 20:30:11 2154955 Link 4 |
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The figures I posted Gerry are from 12-17. They aren't from 2018, did you read them. I'll post one again, you need to scroll down to the bottom of the artifle and it shows a graph the GAA trends per competition from hurling and football., championship and league. http://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-distributes-record-million-counties-and-clubs-155643/ The other links I posted in the other thread show that overall attendances across the game are rising. Again my point is not to say attendances at certain games aren't down like the Leinster, Munster final etc. My point is more people are going to football matches across all the fixtures then ever before. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 21/12/2018 21:04:46 2154957 Link 4 |
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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-report-increase-in-attendances-and-gate-receipts-1.3375729
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 21/12/2018 21:07:00 2154958 Link 3 |
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In France because of the deaths of young rugby players recently there has been a call to change the Rugby tackle and also the 2 man tackle in that game. This is not really heard very often here in sporting circles. But there is a huge debate here about the rules of Gaelic football- a relatively safe game. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 21/12/2018 21:30:49 2154961 Link 1 |
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That's a graph for gate receipts not total attendances, they are different things altogether. Figures could be skewed by price inflation, increased corporate packages etc. It does seem there is a bit of a lift since 2016 which is great, albeit against a steady decline prior to that. I have still seen no definitive proof that numbers through the turnstiles in 2018 was the highest ever, which again, was what you claimed. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 21/12/2018 22:17:50 2154966 Link 5 |
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Total attendances in 2018 Championship were just below 990k total as per financial statements. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 21/12/2018 22:43:56 2154971 Link 5 |
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But the early 00s, coincidentally when blanket defence tactics came into the sport, were a high point for attendances. People must have really loved the new tactics of getting people behind the ball. Kinda makes you wonder why the GAA are trying to change the game away from that. Every time compares unfavourably to that period. How do these last few years compare over all. Probably not that badly you'll find. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 22/12/2018 09:06:37 2154978 Link 4 |
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Thats a good point they can but prices arent going up that radically year ion year to account for that level of increase for example an All Ireland final ticket has been 80 euro for years now. While im not sure corporate facilities account wholly for it either, lets be frank how many grounds have corporate facilites at games .5%. Secondly when you look at the rate of change between the football competitions and hurling, you would have to say its numbers as opposed tickets and corporate facilities etc. Else wise the Hurling and football graphs would be the same. There definitely has been an uplift since 16, partly i think 08-16, was a time of economic hardship for many people migration etc. I suppose there are many strands. 2017 in the second link i posted its there in black and white for you attendances are going up rather then down and in the first graph ive showed you that Championship and Legaue is going form strength to strength, My point is challenging the narrative that the game n decline and people arent going in there droves.That is clearly not the case. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 22/12/2018 09:14:05 2154980 Link 3 |
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I haven't seen anything from 2018 so far to be honest with you Gerry, so i wont comment in ignorance. I also haven't gone back as far early 00's, however i dont think the debate is helped by picking the worst years recently and comparing it to the best in another decade, that has tended to be rebuttal - not saying you are! Id be interested to see the sources of the 18 and 00's number if you have them a chara? TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 22/12/2018 09:18:21 2154981 Link 3 |
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Sorry that's 2017, typo. You'd imagine 2018 will be up a bit more again but we won't know until the figures are made public. The 00's figures are the same ones furlong used in the other thread from the Irish times and BBC. It looks like the trend is upwards which is good and looking at the accounts I can see why the GAA are mad to play everything possible in Croke Park, the corporate and catering operations are worth an absolute fortune. You could well be right in that 2018 may break the record, albeit the attendances are much more spread out across more games. I'm not sure if that's a good thing really. GAA games are very good value IMO and it's worrying that big QF and SF games aren't attracting the crowds they once did. This will hopefully change when we get a more competitive championship. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 22/12/2018 10:24:57 2154984 Link 5 |
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"People must have really loved the new tactics of getting people behind the ball". That is the most spectacular misanalysis and most superficial reading of things I've seen in some time. Ever think it could be that county rivalry was at its peak back then, the 14 man behind the ball tactic was being endured by fans as a transitory blip rather than a new permanent feature of the game, and the professional rugby game in Ireland was only just emerging from the shadows of the GAA on its pathway of exponential growth and offering an alluring alternative means of entertainment when pitted beside boring blanket defence Gaelic football? PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 22/12/2018 10:52:56 2154985 Link 0 |
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well in France there are calls for a complete change to rugby because of recent youth fatalities. "Rugby is dead" said one paper in France recently. They want to change the 2 man rugby tackle and also the tackle only from waist down. So Gaelic football warts and all is a safe enough game much maligned though. The ferocious tackling in rugby is causing problems for the French rugyb authorities though. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 22/12/2018 15:41:47 2154999 Link 0 |
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To be honest with you Gerry, 2018 arernt going to tell us anything really in comparrison, as overall they will be up with the huge increase in games. I think we can forget about 2018 to look at the trend, will only be relevant for a five year sample. The trend does seem to be up across league and championship which my point really, wholly acknowledging that games that were traditionally well attenuated aren't any more, provincal games etc. For me there are a few reasons variables of why specific game attendances are down. A counties population in one, if you look at something like the Leinster final it's gone 30k in 2016 Vs WM, 66k, Vs Kildare in 17, 30k in 2018 Vs Laois. WM and Laois have population of about 80k, Kildare have over 200k. Leinster specifically needs strong Meath and Kildare teams with population of 200k+. The championship also hugely missed Mayo this year, if it was Dublin and Mayo in the semi this year it's a gaurented sell out. To be fair to Galway they had a hurling final in Croker the week after the football semi to attend. Equally Tyrone and Monaghan, have small populations when take into account the population of Tyrone who would have zero interest in GAA. The year was a bit of an anonymilly all in all. I also think the Super 8s and the saturation and financial impact left people more selective. I tend to agree with you funneling games into Croke Park, it's an absolute gold mine, they want Dublin in Crome Park as much as possible that's very clear. It's also interesting that they wanted Mayo there too for the Kildare game, probably the two counties that draw the biggest attendances. It's partly the reason I'm behind PUC and advocate new provincal grounds in each province, if we can make them profitable like Croke Park it would clearly promote s greater sense of equity and make it a real All Ireland, instead of a Dublin All Ireland from the Quater final onwards in terms of location. But I digress, really my point was probably more people attending games across league and championship then ever, but attendances in certain games are down. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 22/12/2018 15:50:45 2155000 Link 4 |