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Conditioning does not win finals- You need good footballers. Tyrone do not have any players near the quality of 6 or 7 on the AI winning teams. Tyrone's 'so called best players' do not have the athleticism of Dublin. Conditioning had very little to do with the poor shooting choices of some of the Tyrone players. The first penalty was not even a free.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 02/09/2018 18:43:58 2138455 Link 2 |
The greatest team of our decade no doubt. And you could definitely argue they're the best of all tim but don't think they'd beat the kerry team of the late 70s/80s. We'll never know and if that kerry team had strength and conditioning coaches and diet plans like all intercounty teams do now I think they'd be miles ahead. galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 02/09/2018 18:44:57 2138458 Link 0 |
They've been the best team in each of the last 4 years, as well as in 2011 and 2013. That's good enough for me. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 02/09/2018 18:51:06 2138461 Link 2 |
Totally agree my friend. That kerry team worked daily, had a few pints most evenings and still won All-Irelands. The game has changed but i think the skills are not as good today[just my opinion].
GreenAndGold74 (Kerry) - Posts: 194 - 02/09/2018 18:52:29 2138465 Link 0 |
I take your point but if your out on your feet at 60 mins you are getting a hammering wether your shot selection is good or bad because you won't be winning possession and making the lung bursting runs to create the scores you need.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 02/09/2018 18:55:14 2138466 Link 0 |
very hard to disagree with the goat assertion but look at the advantages they have.play all games at home. half the population of the country to pick from.unlimited money available.once they got organised and will be into the future they should win 60% of all irelands. having said that the big refereeing decisions always seem to go with them. 2011 the free that cluxton scored was soft.in the drawn 2016 final the ref hadnt the balls to penalise denis bastick for a blatant pick off the ground and he 10 yards away from it? so they may be the goat but they have a lot of things on their side.. kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 02/09/2018 20:05:54 2138493 Link 2 |
In my humble opinion , ( god I'd take one connacht in a row, never mind 4 all Ireland in a row!! ) this Dublin team are incredible. One of the greatest of all time but will they win the 5 in a row?? leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 645 - 02/09/2018 20:21:41 2138499 Link 0 |
It is not easy to compare these things, some old men would argue that the 1970s Derry team were better than the 1993 team, they came up against fiercer competition in the 70s, Kerry and Dublin in semi finals. Derry won more Ulsters in 70s than 90s. PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 223 - 02/09/2018 20:38:30 2138512 Link 0 |
They could win 10 in a row, it wouldn't matter, that Kilkenny team was on a different planet, and would be more deserving of the "goat" moniker.
extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 02/09/2018 20:43:00 2138519 Link 2 |
Pressure is a given at this level leitrimforsam and there are things in place nowadays to help players deal with it. I wouldn't fear for Dublin in that regard. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 02/09/2018 21:02:55 2138528 Link 5 |
If conditioning doesn't win all finals please tell me why sides don't have big heavy lads that have great technique playing?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 02/09/2018 21:17:15 2138534 Link 0 |
The lads with the great skill with a bit of a gut get called in to trials and if their skills are good enough they are kept on the panel And given a diet and exercise plan to get their bodies in peak condition to perform their best. No amount of conditioning will make a poor footballer good if they don't have the skills to begin with. Dublin has a talented panel who yes have great strength and conditioning but the skills are there
galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 02/09/2018 21:36:43 2138540 Link 0 |
The teams you name don't have enough good forwards to put dublin away or challenge them. Admittedly our defence wasn't great against the dubs. 2 of our most consistent backs were a no show that day, but we left so many scores behind us , the same with Tyrone today. I actually think that Donegal with mcbrearty would give the best test but still fall short. Galway on paper have fantastic forwards and some great ones on the bench but only Burke has consistently shown up. When the limerick hurlers won there was a lot of talk about the psychologist they have and she even got a mention in the winning speech. I know she was on board with dublin at one time. I really believe more emphasis on the psychology of a team. And I don't mean just fulfilling the quota by having a psychologist but get one that's great. Some players are confidence players and one wide can ruin their entire game these are the lads that really would benefit from a great psychologist. And now that dublin are so successful it's a mental test as well as physical one to play them
galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 02/09/2018 22:25:38 2138550 Link 0 |
I don't know where people are getting this Dublin will dominate until the end of the world nonsense. 10 years ago Kilkenny won minor, U21, Senior, Intermediate and another hurling title i've forgotten in hurling. Their second team would beat the pick of Ireland it was said. It took time but they are well and truly off their perch. BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 02/09/2018 22:46:18 2138562 Link 1 |
And you know something your dead right. Theres no method of comparison, no definitive set of criteria which defines who was the best over the years, comparing this years team to that years team, wheres the definitve proof that any team of any era is better than any team of another era? They cant play one another, the games are different animals, the approach of teams and preperation are different animals. All you can be is the best in any given year in any competition that you partake in and thats what this Dublin team have been and will continue to be for quite a while imho. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1351 - 03/09/2018 09:40:26 2138634 Link 0 |
The comparison with Kilkenny is interesting. They looked absolutely untouchable at the time but then again with a population of under 100k they were never going to be able to sustain that level. It really was a matter of time with them. Looking at the age profile of the Dublin team they are going nowhere for the time being and they have several recent U21 winning teams to bolster their panel if needed. Senan Connell spoke on Sky yesterday about the incredible players that aren't making the panel due to the sheer depth of talent available. They have won six out of eight and their key men are in their mid twenties. They seem to have everything in place to do at least five if not six in a row, blowing away anything that Kilkenny team, or any county in history ever did. I do agree that nothing lasts forever and i think if Gavin left for example we would see Dublin drop off a bit personally. He is a huge huge factor in their success in my humble opinion. I am also hopeful my own county can mount a meaningful challenge in the future with all these young ballers we have, but I think thats 3-4 years away yet. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 03/09/2018 10:10:11 2138650 Link 2 |
there seems to be a lot of people out today to discredit dublins achievements using any means possible. this dublin team is unbelievable, they do not make mistakes!!! over 80% score conversion in the semi final, something similar in attacks to chances on goals, frees converted are above 85% over the whole year, that's phenomenal. people on here saying that kerrys team and kilkennys hurling team were better. what are you basing that on? nothing....only sentiment!!!!! if any of you have the time go and prove it by gathering up the stats on both of those teams in their 4 in a row exploits. the answer will come back Dublin clear as day!!! theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 03/09/2018 10:16:36 2138656 Link 2 |
Yeah, they would have to be considered the greatest imho. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 03/09/2018 10:22:33 2138667 Link 0 |
Big heavy lads may also be very well conditioned but will win little- some are too well conditioned!. You should know that players need be able to run with pace. There are many teams very well conditioned carrying no extra weight, are fit to run around the pitch (maybe not very fast) but are not able to play good football and continuously make bad decisions and win little at both club and county level. Of course to be able to play football you need to be fit and that is the base but you need skill and work rate/teamwork. If conditioning made good footballers Dublin would not be winning 4 in a row! as many other well conditioned teams would be able to compete and beat them.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 03/09/2018 10:31:02 2138676 Link 2 |
I think there'll be a much different team after next season. After the drive for 5 I expect all those with 6 all irelands (could be 7 next year) to step away. I know people have said that its not the same team without Connolly or O'Carroll etc but Dublin could be looking at a big change when those players go. When Cluxton leaves, and I'm sure Evan Comerford is a decent keeper, but filling those boots is huge. I don't think we'll ever see the likes of a keeper who can kick as consistently and as accurately as Cluxton (Beggan is on the right path) and provide the base for Dublins possession game. keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 03/09/2018 10:49:35 2138686 Link 0 |