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Replying To perfect10: "hurlings round robin has been an overwhelming success,8x4 anybody and do away with the provincial championship,they are dead anyway. put london and new york in to 2 groups,would any team complain about being drawn away to new york?give them a week off after it. the football has been so poor this year,it is time for a change." No . The 8x4 format is used in The Champions League and it is as dull as dishwater . The hurling groups took place within the context of the provincial championships and were an outstanding success. The integrity of the provincial system was retained. The football is not as easy to restructure. The football provincial championships are not dead Ulster and Connacht are very competitive. Cork would take a Munster title at the moment . Leinster which used to be the jewel in the crown is unfortunately dead . The 8x4 format offers nothing to the likes of Fermanagh who took out Monaghan this year and made an Ulster Final . We are going through a period of dominance as a result of the fact that Dublin are one of the greatest teams ever to play the game . For fifteen years we had a period of Kilkenny dominance in hurling . At times during that period there was a complete absence of competitiveness in the hurling championship. Do you remember the All Ireland finals of 2007 and 2008 ? Five times in seven seasons from 2009 we had Tipp playing Kilkenny in the final . Hurling people didn't panic . They were sensible as they always are and didn't resort to panic driven measures and look at what we have had the pleasure of experiencing this year . Football is now going through what hurling went through . Sit back and enjoy Dublin's brilliance . All cycles come to an end . Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 27/08/2018 13:43:49 2136772 Link
There's a rule in Ice Hockey which can be applied to Gaelic Football in an amended fashion to help stop negative, time wasting play, playing the ball backwards etc. Basically once the opposition cross the 45 with the ball in a given play, if the ball is intentionally played back across the 45 within that same play/move, then every opposing player must retreat back outside of the 45 before the ball is played back in past the 45 again (basically they have to reset their formation). If the ball is played back across the 45 without all opposition players having already retreated back beyond the 45 before re-entering, it's effectively "offside" resulting in a free from their own 45 for the other team. Hawkeye2 (Wicklow) - Posts: 122 - 27/08/2018 14:14:49 2136786 Link
Replying To hurlorhurley: "GAA looking for rule changes to gaelic football I'll start the ball rolling please feel free to join in with comments or suggestions 1. Both teams must have at least 4 players inside their opponents 45 at all stages during the game (This would help to eliminate the blanket defences) 2. Ball can be picked straight off the ground 3. Do away with the black card and introduce 10 minute sin bin for yellow card offences 4. After 5 consecutive handpasses the ball must be kicked, punishment for breaking rule a free for opposing team" Excellent suggestions. Other options are a shot clock or a back court rule like in basketball. Shot clock might be a bit radical!! Imagine 3 refs on the pitch, 1 between each goal line and the 45 the the third between the 2 45's. You don't need linesmen, the refs can call the line ball. No extra officials needed just a more proactive role for all involved. They can all call fouls just like in the compromised rules. That would seriously improve games. Less pulling and dragging off the ball and they would be able to monitor the rule changes mentioned above. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1835 - 27/08/2018 14:29:25 2136797 Link
No . The 8x4 format is used in The Champions League and it is as dull as dishwater . Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 4850 - 27/08/2018 13:43:49 2136772 with all due respect,is it worse than carlow v louth or somebody as a season opener,followed by a qualifier defeat?i am using your county as an example,the same applies to wexford by the way! i'd rather get 3 good games,with a variety,than the constant boredom of same old same old. and in leinster there is some form of variety,in munster/connacht it is the same 3-4 teams every year. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 27/08/2018 14:30:05 2136798 Link
I think people need to be realistic here, to improve the game nothing should be on/off the table. I would have no problem with abolishing the provincial championship (even on a 3 year trial basis), to improve the game and product we have to forget the "oh provincial councils/whoever would ever agree to that" mentality. Dublin's dominance will end, but will the game be lost at that stage? No point closing the gate if the horse has bolted. Above all, every change to structures must be made with club and club fixtures in mind. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1737 - 27/08/2018 15:23:24 2136816 Link
I would change the teams to 11 or 12 a side, blankets wouldn't be as effective and more space would open up. iarmhi_an_mhaith (Westmeath) - Posts: 268 - 27/08/2018 15:46:38 2136823 Link
Replying To perfect10: "No . The 8x4 format is used in The Champions League and it is as dull as dishwater . Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 4850 - 27/08/2018 13:43:49 2136772 with all due respect,is it worse than carlow v louth or somebody as a season opener,followed by a qualifier defeat?i am using your county as an example,the same applies to wexford by the way! i'd rather get 3 good games,with a variety,than the constant boredom of same old same old. and in leinster there is some form of variety,in munster/connacht it is the same 3-4 teams every year." Under the 8x4 system these counties or counties at their level would play each other too . 8x4 offers nothing to an awful lot of counties . It would be considerably worse than the provincial system . Carlow beat Louth and Kildare this year and had a shot at a Leinster Final . Laois made a Keinster final . Those achievements meant something to the people of the counties involved . 8x4 offers nothing to the lines of Carlow, Laois, Fermanagh and many more like them . Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 27/08/2018 15:52:49 2136829 Link
Replying To Greengrass: "Under the 8x4 system these counties or counties at their level would play each other too . 8x4 offers nothing to an awful lot of counties . It would be considerably worse than the provincial system . Carlow beat Louth and Kildare this year and had a shot at a Leinster Final . Laois made a Keinster final . Those achievements meant something to the people of the counties involved . 8x4 offers nothing to the lines of Carlow, Laois, Fermanagh and many more like them ." 8x4 to be split after the group stages into two 16's of knockout top 2 in each group into the last sixteen of the Sam MaGuire, bottom two in each group into the Tommy Murphy Cup. All games at neutrals venues after the league phase with every Tommy Murphy game before a Sam Maguire game all the way to the finals. U-20 and Tommy Murphy to be played in Croke Park on the evening before the U-17 and Sam Maguire Cup Finals make it a festival of Gaelic Football in Head Quarters hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 27/08/2018 16:06:55 2136833 Link
Replying To Greengrass: "No . The 8x4 format is used in The Champions League and it is as dull as dishwater . The hurling groups took place within the context of the provincial championships and were an outstanding success. The integrity of the provincial system was retained. The football is not as easy to restructure. The football provincial championships are not dead Ulster and Connacht are very competitive. Cork would take a Munster title at the moment . Leinster which used to be the jewel in the crown is unfortunately dead . The 8x4 format offers nothing to the likes of Fermanagh who took out Monaghan this year and made an Ulster Final . We are going through a period of dominance as a result of the fact that Dublin are one of the greatest teams ever to play the game . For fifteen years we had a period of Kilkenny dominance in hurling . At times during that period there was a complete absence of competitiveness in the hurling championship. Do you remember the All Ireland finals of 2007 and 2008 ? Five times in seven seasons from 2009 we had Tipp playing Kilkenny in the final . Hurling people didn't panic . They were sensible as they always are and didn't resort to panic driven measures and look at what we have had the pleasure of experiencing this year . Football is now going through what hurling went through . Sit back and enjoy Dublin's brilliance . All cycles come to an end ." 5 times in 8 seasons. Not quite as bad as 5 in 7. And season 8 was well and truly the end of the KK dominance, for awhile at least. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3454 - 27/08/2018 16:07:16 2136834 Link
Broadly speaking, the issues with the games can be short listed into these categories in my opinion. 1 Possession based game that leads to excessive controlling of the ball, over used protecting a lead. 2 Controlling the oppositions time on the ball by tactics designed to disrupt them. 3 Any behaviour in the game that causes physical harm or bad sportsmanship in general. To tackle 1, you would have to limit the short kick outs. Nothing under 30 metres allowed. Limit the time it takes to kick the ball out, take a free or sideline, or 45. Limit the number of consecutive hand passes. To tackle 2, you would have to penalise payers who refuse to back off a player when attempting to take a free. To penalise a player who won't let go of the ball and or the player who he has fouled against (disrupting the free taking). Automatically bringing a free into a 30 metre scoring position would stamp this out. To tackle 3, stamp out the very dangerous neck high tackle by whatever means it takes. Sin bin players instead of black card them in the last 15 minutes of the game. No replacement allowed. Heavily fine the County board of teams involved in melees. That would stamp out unnecessary scenes in games. Even if they enforced 2 of the above suggestions, it would improve the game no end. U Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 27/08/2018 16:18:25 2136838 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "5 times in 8 seasons. Not quite as bad as 5 in 7. And season 8 was well and truly the end of the KK dominance, for awhile at least." It was . They won't be away for long but the future for hurling and competitiveness in the championship looks very bright . Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 27/08/2018 18:27:19 2136875 Link
The short kick out evolved as a direct result of teams dropping players back the field and teams shouldn't be punished for taking the short option. I do like the idea of bringing the ball forward more than 13 mtrs for deliberately delaying frees etc lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 27/08/2018 20:01:49 2136898 Link
Replying To Greengrass: "It was . They won't be away for long but the future for hurling and competitiveness in the championship looks very bright ." By the time Dublin stop winning football will be dead in almost every other county in Leinster. I don't know if 8x4 would work, but I would say it is worth a shot! Could be 3 year trial, see what happens. Don't forget hurling stumbled over this format. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1737 - 27/08/2018 20:29:37 2136905 Link
Replying To StoreysTash: "By the time Dublin stop winning football will be dead in almost every other county in Leinster. I don't know if 8x4 would work, but I would say it is worth a shot! Could be 3 year trial, see what happens. Don't forget hurling stumbled over this format." When Dublin enter the Railway Cup, we can see this competitive Leinster Championship they've been talking about. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 27/08/2018 20:44:15 2136911 Link
Replying To Greengrass: "Where would you have played the games in the Spring Series ? Where would you have played this years Leinster hurling and football finals ? Where would you have played the Super 8 games ? Where would you have played the hurling semi final between Galway and Clare ? Where would you have played the two football semi finals ? You would have used Croke Park on three occasions this year . Daft does not begin to describe your suggestion ." I dont think it is daft at all. Croke park has zero atmosphere if it is not nearly full takes away so much from the game. Look at the kerry limerick replay afew years ago one of the best atmospheres i have ever heard far to many games played in croke park. the super 8s matches in croke park had zero atmosphere bring them to another county ground and the place would be buzzing and huge benefits for local economies. Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 760 - 28/08/2018 12:32:08 2137066 Link
link I agree with Donaghy's suggestion of a mark for clean catches in the 21 yard line. I'd agree with Moran's suggestion of a 45 metre free for cynical fouls further out the field instead of the black card. Cynical fouls inside the 45 metre line is up for debate. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 29/08/2018 21:34:13 2137541 Link
Replying To Tarismelting22: "I dont think it is daft at all. Croke park has zero atmosphere if it is not nearly full takes away so much from the game. Look at the kerry limerick replay afew years ago one of the best atmospheres i have ever heard far to many games played in croke park. the super 8s matches in croke park had zero atmosphere bring them to another county ground and the place would be buzzing and huge benefits for local economies." It is daft . The suggestion was that unless you were guaranteed 70,000 in Croker the game would be played at a provincial venue . Firstly how do you say for certain 70,000 will attend . If you base it on n ticket sales and only 60,000 tickets are sold when do you decide on the venue change . How do you decide on who goes on the basis of the ticket sales ? Do you refund everyone and put the tickets up for sale again ? What happens if people have booked overnight accommodation? As a result of health and safety no provincial ground has a capacity of 50,000 . Apart from Limerick, Thurles and Cork no provincial ground has a capacity above 36,000. Most provincial grounds have a capacity of less than 30,000. This suggestion would have meant that the Tyrone Monaghan semi final would have been played in Munster . I was at that semi final . There were 49,000 at it and there was a very real atmosphere. I was at the first Galway Clare semi final . There were 54,000 at it and the atmosphere was terrific . Your suggestion would also mean that thousands of people who wish to see these games turned away because the capacities in the three Munster grounds are all below 50,000. People wouldn't be able to see the games. Income would drop . Venues could be difficult for supporters to get to . Your finest stadium on the basis of this suggestion would have been opened three times this year . Sometimes I wonder what really goes in some people's heads . As I said before it is an utterly daft suggestion . Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 30/08/2018 01:22:38 2137563 Link
1. 13 a side 2. 3 subs max (including black card replacements) 3. Blood sub and HIA sub for 10 min max All the above would remove the importance of a large panel and mean teams that play a running game would be seriously tired by the end of a match and would have to "let the ball do the work" Then introduce a "kicking arc" around 35 to 40m from the goal. 3. All kick outs must go beyond it and are rewarded with a mark 4. all points kicked from outside it count double when taken by non goalies 5. introduce an NBA style "illegal defense" rule. This prevents the use of a zonal defense set up inside the kicking arc. 6. Black card offenses in the last 10 mins have an additional penalty of moving the free up to the kicking arc (with the potential for a 2 point penalty) All quite simple to implement at all levels - the radius of the kicking arc can be 35m for intermediate/junior/underage and 40m for senior club/inter-county tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1126 - 04/09/2018 04:42:49 2139026 Link
All frees and side line balls kicked off the ground. All frees and side line balls must go forward until inside the oppositions 21 yd. line. You can receive a fisted hand pass but can not give one. (next movement of the ball only by foot.) Frontal shoulder allowed. Not to the head with elbows and hands down. Eliminate all cards. Minor fouls 2 minutes off. (minor) Technical fouls preventing scores 5 minute off. (medium or technical). Striking.kicking, hitting a player, off for the game with no substitution. (major). All majors reviewed to determine if further sanction is required. Score from a side line ball outside 21 yds worth 2 points. Frees outside 50 yds worth 2 points. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 05/09/2018 17:39:14 2139576 Link
10 min sin bin High tackle rule to be reviewed.......Deliberate is a straight red, those where you tackle around the chest/shoulder, and player ducks or arm slips up is a yellow. From what I can see at games all over the country, every high tackle is a yellow. Must have 3 or 4 inside opposition 45 at all times 13 a side is one I just cant have......there will still be blanket defences, and the game will revolve even more around fitness, and skill levels will suffer. Second referee to help with the subtle basketball style screens and blocks....at intercounty level as a bare minimum All umpires to be fullly qualified referees, at intercounty as a bare minimum. Hawkeye....every county ground, or no county ground......not just Croke Park and Thurles....thats a farce Cavan-Hero (Cavan) - Posts: 27 - 06/09/2018 14:42:59 2139834 Link