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gotmilk - Amen
lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 25/08/2018 17:24:57
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Not a bad topic for debate , actual real suggestions are Actually being brought to Congress , will be interesting to see what comes out of it , also interesting in that the majority of suggestions coming to Congress are to improve the big ball , much less for the small ball , biggest issue on small ball is lack of implementation of current rules , steps and hand pass being two big bones of contention
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 25/08/2018 17:35:35
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Replying To gotmilk: "I'd like to see a rule where ridiculous rule changes can't be suggested and people stop being influenced by pundits, instead watch the games that are in front of them." Thank his someone said it!!!
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 25/08/2018 17:43:42
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I'd agree that some rule changes are needed to make the game more entertaining. Some of the more contrived rules won't work though such as limiting to 5 handpasses. The referee won't be able to implement that and likewise how are the players supposed to keep track in the midst of a game whether it's pass number 4 or 5.
The rules I'd like to see are...
Back pass to Goalkeeper results in a free in... This should help stop the keep ball at end of games and is simple.
Stop clock... 3rd official add time for any delays and so there is no advantage in a winning team delaying.
Get rid of the Black Card. Red Card for stopping a certain goal chance.
You can only score from frees if taken off the ground.
Kickouts have to go beyond the 45.
Tackling to be allowed. As it is currently almost any tackle can result in a free including shoulder to shoulder challenges which are actually in the rule book. Of course the game will be boring if the team with the ball isn't allowed to be tackled.
2 week gap before the Semi Finals... gives some build up.
Only play matches in Croke Park if attendance likely to exceed 70,000. Anything else in Croke Park looks empty.
tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 25/08/2018 18:02:10
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Replying To tyroneed: "I'd agree that some rule changes are needed to make the game more entertaining. Some of the more contrived rules won't work though such as limiting to 5 handpasses. The referee won't be able to implement that and likewise how are the players supposed to keep track in the midst of a game whether it's pass number 4 or 5.
The rules I'd like to see are...
Back pass to Goalkeeper results in a free in... This should help stop the keep ball at end of games and is simple.
Stop clock... 3rd official add time for any delays and so there is no advantage in a winning team delaying.
Get rid of the Black Card. Red Card for stopping a certain goal chance.
You can only score from frees if taken off the ground.
Kickouts have to go beyond the 45.
Tackling to be allowed. As it is currently almost any tackle can result in a free including shoulder to shoulder challenges which are actually in the rule book. Of course the game will be boring if the team with the ball isn't allowed to be tackled.
2 week gap before the Semi Finals... gives some build up.
Only play matches in Croke Park if attendance likely to exceed 70,000. Anything else in Croke Park looks empty." Where would you have played the games in the Spring Series ? Where would you have played this years Leinster hurling and football finals ? Where would you have played the Super 8 games ? Where would you have played the hurling semi final between Galway and Clare ? Where would you have played the two football semi finals ? You would have used Croke Park on three occasions this year . Daft does not begin to describe your suggestion .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 25/08/2018 19:55:22
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Replying To Damothedub: "Not a bad topic for debate , actual real suggestions are Actually being brought to Congress , will be interesting to see what comes out of it , also interesting in that the majority of suggestions coming to Congress are to improve the big ball , much less for the small ball , biggest issue on small ball is lack of implementation of current rules , steps and hand pass being two big bones of contention" Surely there is a need to either make the ball heavier or else reduce the number of players on a hurling team. At the moment they are hitting the ball 80 or 90 metres and most players are being by-passed.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 25/08/2018 20:09:01
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Replying To Gaa Fan: "1. All kick-outs to pass the 45 m line before the ball may be touched by a member of the kicking team.
Penalty for infraction: A free awarded to the opposing team, to be taken from the 45 m line opposite where the foul occurred.
2. After a stoppage of play, unless a throw in called for by rule, the play is to be restarted by kicking the placed ball from the ground. This includes all free kicks, sideline kicks etc.
3. A player in possession may only score, a goal or a point, by kicking the ball.
4. No player may be inside his opponent's small rectangle before the ball.
5. The team awarded a penalty be given the option of taking a free kick from the 13 m spot or being awarded two points.
6. When a player gains possession of the ball via a hand pass from a teammate, he may only play the ball away by kicking it. He may not hand pass it. Solo runs and hopping of the ball not impacted by this change. Eliminates the need for the referee to "keep count"." Kick-outs having to go beyond the 45 would be an interesting one on a very windy day, particularly at club level.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 25/08/2018 20:13:14
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Replying To Greengrass: "Where would you have played the games in the Spring Series ? Where would you have played this years Leinster hurling and football finals ? Where would you have played the Super 8 games ? Where would you have played the hurling semi final between Galway and Clare ? Where would you have played the two football semi finals ? You would have used Croke Park on three occasions this year . Daft does not begin to describe your suggestion ." I already said give a 2 week build up to the Football Semi Finals. That together with a bit of marketing would have made those matches get around 70,000 or so each and therefore they could have been played in Croke Park.
The Donegal Dublin match could have been played in Clones. The Tyrone Roscommon match could have been played in Enniskillen or if it was next year then in Breffni Park. Having attended matches both in and out of Croke Park this year it is clear that Croke Park is overused, the novelty has worn off and many people in the stadium are more interested in buying Hamburgers or going to the toilet than watching the match. The atmosphere at a stadium like Ballybofey was vastly superior to what it would have been in Croke Park.
By all means also play the Leinster Finals in Croke Park but also lets give the rest of the country and packed provincial venues a chance.
tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 25/08/2018 20:28:35
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Replying To tyroneed: "I already said give a 2 week build up to the Football Semi Finals. That together with a bit of marketing would have made those matches get around 70,000 or so each and therefore they could have been played in Croke Park.
The Donegal Dublin match could have been played in Clones. The Tyrone Roscommon match could have been played in Enniskillen or if it was next year then in Breffni Park. Having attended matches both in and out of Croke Park this year it is clear that Croke Park is overused, the novelty has worn off and many people in the stadium are more interested in buying Hamburgers or going to the toilet than watching the match. The atmosphere at a stadium like Ballybofey was vastly superior to what it would have been in Croke Park.
By all means also play the Leinster Finals in Croke Park but also lets give the rest of the country and packed provincial venues a chance." There is no way that the Monaghan Tyrone semi final would ever have attracted 70,000 people. On the basis of what happened this year your suggestion would have seen three games played in Croke Park. One of those would have been the Cork Limerick semi final and the other two would have been the finals. In terms of alternative venues and in terms of the crowds that attended the semi finals in both hurling and football the only viable venues would have been Limerick; Cork and Thurles . Your suggestion would have seen Monaghan and Tyrone playing an All Ireland semi final in a Munster venue. As I said your suggestion is daft beyond belief .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/08/2018 12:38:26
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Replying To neverright: "Surely there is a need to either make the ball heavier or else reduce the number of players on a hurling team. At the moment they are hitting the ball 80 or 90 metres and most players are being by-passed." Pity Joe couldn't or didn't hit the ball 80 or 90 metres over the bar in the 79th minute last Sunday.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2170 - 26/08/2018 12:55:50
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The worst score in Gaelic football is where a player handpasses the ball up in the air and another player handpasses it to the net. It looks stupid. I seen it on the news last night.
1. I would make it a rule that you can only score either goal or point, with the foot.
2. Any game which is level is decided by the number of goals scored, i.e if a game is 1-10 to 13 points, the team with the goal wins.
3. A free must be taken within 30 seconds of the foul being given. I am fed up looking at goalkeepers sauntering up the pitch. It is a failure of skills and coaching that a forward cant take a free.
4. If you receive a hand pass, you can't handpass it on.
Gas to see the GAA squirming once they are hit in the pocket like they have been this year! People are not bothered with the product on offer at present.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1737 - 26/08/2018 13:01:53
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For what it is worth, here are some suggestions,
1. Ban consecutive hand-passes, (if you receive a hand-pass, you can't give one).
2. Introduce a marking zone (between two 21 metre lines), allowing the mark as in International Rules, for free-kicks,
line-balls, goal kicks and 45s. Not sure about kicks from play?
3. All teams must have 3 players within opponents 45 metre line at all times.
4. Allow a side to side and a frontal charge (as in Australian Rules).
5. A player once grounded must release the ball immediately.
PatdeVerse (Dublin) - Posts: 107 - 26/08/2018 13:08:51
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Replying To hurlorhurley: "GAA looking for rule changes to gaelic football I'll start the ball rolling please feel free to join in with comments or suggestions
1. Both teams must have at least 4 players inside their opponents 45 at all stages during the game (This would help to eliminate the blanket defences)
2. Ball can be picked straight off the ground
3. Do away with the black card and introduce 10 minute sin bin for yellow card offences
4. After 5 consecutive handpasses the ball must be kicked, punishment for breaking rule a free for opposing team" I got as far as pick the ball off the ground and you lost me. I don't understand this infatuation with allowing players to pick the ball off the ground and I don't understand why the women's game allows it! It's an important skill and should be kept otherwise Gaelic football will truely become basketball or Olympic handball. The rule takes nothing away from the sport but I feel it would be detrimental to remove it.
Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 26/08/2018 13:09:08
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I got as far as pick the ball off the ground and you lost me. I don't understand this infatuation with allowing players to pick the ball off the ground and I don't understand why the women's game allows it! It's an important skill and should be kept otherwise Gaelic football will truely become basketball or Olympic handball. The rule takes nothing away from the sport but I feel it would be detrimental to remove it.
Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 624 - 26/08/2018 13:09:08
I agree. I've never understood some people's infatuation with getting rid of a skill from the game.
There is no real benefit to the game. It might make it slightly faster but it isn't even clear if it would!
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 26/08/2018 13:59:02
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Replying To cacsmckilly: "Not a major thing but I like the way in ladies football and in rugby that they stop the clock during injuries. Much more professional way of doing it and avoids the head scratchers wondering how 3 minutes got added as injury time and not 6 mins and so on." agreed
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 26/08/2018 14:10:46
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Replying To Whammo86: "Changing the tackle to an Aussie rules tackle is too drastic a change in my opinion.
It'd make it a totally different game." I agree - although it makss the tackle more clearly defined - and I love the Aussie game with its use and quicker movement of the ball. To be honest, it's not called that much in Aussie rules as players offload on time - I have more issues with clogging and the middle man performing the 'ball up' too often.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 26/08/2018 14:25:45
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Replying To TheUsername: " Replying To MesAmis: "i hate it Mes.
I know i am in a minority of one when I say this and I know you and the other Dubs here will throw your eye's to heaven at this but in my humble opinion when I see Ciaran KK take possession 20 yards from an opponents goal, turn, run 20 yards backwards and handpass to a fella on the halfway line, a little bit of me dies
He did it a few times up in Omagh and it was so dispiriting
I dunno, i have fallen out of of love with football completely Mes
i hate what it has become. The game, for me, is dying and possibly already dead
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 7974 - 24/08/2018 16:15:31 2136345
That's grand Liam and your opinion but limiting handpassing, with the rules as they are, means that a team playing a proper blanket defence would have a huge advantage.
I think the current negative hyperbole is the biggest threat to the game as it has the potential to bring in change that'll completely kill the game imo. Limiting the handpasses would destroy the game.
Despite the obvious stupidity of making blanket defences more effective limiting the handpass would take away a huge facet of attacking play. Imagine receiving the ball on the 21 with your back to goal, your half forward is about to burst past you but you can't play him through on goal because the handpass has been limited in some way!
All the side ways handpassing is a symptom of negative football, not the cause of it.
The GAA need to be very careful. By all means try and tweek the rules a bit to make it more attractive but with the type of suggestions being put forward like shot clocks and limiting the handpass make negative football more effective!" Not sure there needs to be rule changes to be honest. Weaker counties will compensate with the blanket, it evens odds. Better teams play more expansive football. Football should be about competing philosophies and skill in executing each. To many rule changes just funnel the game a certain way and it becomes more contrived in my opinion, it should be let to naturally evolve. There isnt an awful lot wrong with football, the championship has been entertaining for beards and this year has been intriguing with the new structure, fairer competition and equity and the battles in philosophies its brought."
My best offer is -
- Extend Front Door stream and curtail Back Door, each by one rd.
- Each Prov SF loser draws an existing 1st rd Qual PAIRING instead to form 8 groups of 3 (SF and 1st group match losers play last/ 3rd group match).
- Top 2 in each group join 4 Prov Final losers in 20-team KO Rd 2 (8 2nds and 2 worst 1sts drawn away).
- 10 Rd 2 winners join 2 Prov Champs Playoff Rd losers in 12-team KO Rd 3 (4 best NFL rankings and 2 Prov Champs play home).
- 6 Rd 3 winners join 2 unbeaten Prov Champs in the AI KO QFs (revert to KO, with Prov Champs host in own Prov, but neutral ground).
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2615 - 26/08/2018 14:56:56
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Some good ideas here; as a regular attender at club level, the defensive obsession is even worse here, so rul changes are definitely needed. Think the 10 min sin-bin for yellow or black cards is a no-brainer, works very well in ladies football and rugby. The idea of 4 defending players remaining inside their opponents 50 also worth considering, tho might might be difficult for refs to monitor. Reducing to 13-a-side would also help open the game up as well as making it easier fro smaller clubs to field more competitive sides, maybe keep county at 15-a-side.
befair (Down) - Posts: 237 - 26/08/2018 17:23:40
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If you kick a goal kick beyond the 45 that in theory creates more of a contest. Though what happens the opposition's forwards. They will potentially flood back and crowd up the play. Perhaps 4 (maybe even 5) attackers and the same amount defenders have to stay inside the 21 yard line for a kick out. The keeper obviously can't kick the ball to them as he has to kick it beyond the 45.
This would free up more space for the attacking team. Because there is more space for a short period of time the attacking team will be encouraged to try and get the ball in quickly to their forwards. The quickest way to get the ball in us to kick it in.
It potentially gives a similar benefit to mandating players to stay in their positions but is much more straight forward to referee.
Any team wasting time will concede possession to say the 45.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 697 - 26/08/2018 22:35:42
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hurlings round robin has been an overwhelming success,8x4 anybody and do away with the provincial championship,they are dead anyway.
put london and new york in to 2 groups,would any team complain about being drawn away to new york?give them a week off after it.
the football has been so poor this year,it is time for a change.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 27/08/2018 12:02:32
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