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while we know its health and safety, but what a pity the Limerick supporters were not allowed onto the pitch yesterday...interesting to see if the same rule will be "upheld" after the football final...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 20/08/2018 13:18:07
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Replying To Fairplayalways: "while we know its health and safety, but what a pity the Limerick supporters were not allowed onto the pitch yesterday...interesting to see if the same rule will be "upheld" after the football final..." Have you not seen any of the football finals since 2010 ?
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 20/08/2018 13:58:17
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"I'll tell you this though, no fence will stop XYZ fans coming on to the pitch if they win the All Ireland" Has been defiantly repeated ad nauseum since 2010 by those who hate the hill 16 fence. XYZ being some "long suffering" county depending on the year.
In the years since, it hasn't happened for:
Tipperary Hurlers,
Dublin Footballers,
Donegal Footballers,
Clare Hurlers,
Galway Hurlers,
and now Limerick hurlers
So what county are the pitch invasion lovers depending on now to breach the fence? Mayo footballers maybe?
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1646 - 20/08/2018 14:19:39
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The huge amount of stewards around the field yesterday sums up Croke Parks drift away from grassroots GAA . Dubs from the north inner city, East European stewards goading Limerick Supporters trying to get on the field.
A couple of dozen managed to break through but most were penned back by stewards, gardai & some form of Blue Plastic mesh the stewards were using.
Those on Hill 16 were hemmed in with a ten foot Perspex screen something similar to Guantanamo Bay .
OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 677 - 20/08/2018 14:42:33
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Replying To Fairplayalways: "while we know its health and safety, but what a pity the Limerick supporters were not allowed onto the pitch yesterday...interesting to see if the same rule will be "upheld" after the football final..." Where have you been since 2010?
2009 was the last time any teams' supporters got on the pitch after an All-Ireland.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 20/08/2018 14:45:21
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It may be a pity that Limerick fans did not get onto the pitch after the game but a few did manage it...
I think the message has gotten through to most fans- it is a matter of health and safety and especially for the players... I mean the back slapping they would have to endure after a win... it may be great for the fans but think of the players... after all they have given their all on the field of play and they do not need to be mauled and their backs slapped into oblivion by very excited fans.
It is their time and they should be able to experience the moment in the company of their team members and back up people and be able also to shake hands and commiserate with their opponents...
I would not want to have a ticket in the front row and have jubilant supporters climbing all over me to get on to the pitch either.
Teams now can run around the field in a lap of honour after the game and show their appreciation to their fans. It works better now.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 20/08/2018 14:53:25
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A Limerick fan made it onto the pitch at the final whistle in front of the hill/cusack stand side.. I saw 4 Gardaí pin him tó the ground, handcuff him and drag him off.
It was unbelievable to witness. Completely disproportionate reaction.
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Replying To carlowman: "It may be a pity that Limerick fans did not get onto the pitch after the game but a few did manage it...
I think the message has gotten through to most fans- it is a matter of health and safety and especially for the players... I mean the back slapping they would have to endure after a win... it may be great for the fans but think of the players... after all they have given their all on the field of play and they do not need to be mauled and their backs slapped into oblivion by very excited fans.
It is their time and they should be able to experience the moment in the company of their team members and back up people and be able also to shake hands and commiserate with their opponents...
I would not want to have a ticket in the front row and have jubilant supporters climbing all over me to get on to the pitch either.
Teams now can run around the field in a lap of honour after the game and show their appreciation to their fans. It works better now." wouldn't say it "works better"..thats just the way it is...I was in on pitch after Offaly won in 1994 (ironically against Limerick!) and the players were no way fed up of us...some players were school mates, neighbours etc. of mine..one player gave me his hurls to take home for him believe it or not...I seen some fans standing up on the back of seats etc yesterday..what happens if they fall and get hurt..should the GAA "permit" them to stand on the back of seats etc..obviously not, but interesting if they got hurted and no stewarding supervision to see what the outcome would be..
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 20/08/2018 15:11:28
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Fans shouldn't be so selfish anyway. What gives any fan a right to go onto the field after the game ? The players put their whole lives on hold for 7 8 9 months of the year and on the occasion they win something they should be able to enjoy it with their fellow players and walk around the pitch parading the trophy to their fans, not only is it selfish but incredibly dangerous as people can get seriously injured in a crush, kids can get separated from their parents too ... totally unnecessary. The pitch is for players, the stand and terraces for fans
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 20/08/2018 15:11:58
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Replying To waynoI: "Have you not seen any of the football finals since 2010 ?" I have seen the finals but to be honest whether the fans ran in on the pitch or not is something I don't write down year on year...I was merely making the point that I hope its the same for the Dublin (or Tyrone) fans after the football final..
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 20/08/2018 15:13:30
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Replying To Fairplayalways: "wouldn't say it "works better"..thats just the way it is...I was in on pitch after Offaly won in 1994 (ironically against Limerick!) and the players were no way fed up of us...some players were school mates, neighbours etc. of mine..one player gave me his hurls to take home for him believe it or not...I seen some fans standing up on the back of seats etc yesterday..what happens if they fall and get hurt..should the GAA "permit" them to stand on the back of seats etc..obviously not, but interesting if they got hurted and no stewarding supervision to see what the outcome would be.." How do you know the players weren't fed up.
Furthermore, have any players since 2010 said they don't enjoy celebrating all Ireland's on the pitch with their teammates and management afterwards soaking in the atmosphere ?
I don't think any player who has played in and won an all Ireland since the pitch invasions stopped has come out and said he was disappointed that the crowd couldn't come surging onto the pitch
Ex players and traditionalists may be.... but the
Modern day way is much better, it's much safer and as I've already said, a lot less selfish. If you're a fan stay off the pitch you've absolutely no business being on it.......at any time
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 20/08/2018 15:38:26
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Replying To Fairplayalways: "I have seen the finals but to be honest whether the fans ran in on the pitch or not is something I don't write down year on year...I was merely making the point that I hope its the same for the Dublin (or Tyrone) fans after the football final.." And im asking why wouldn't it be ?
Dublin have won 3 all Irelands in a row and no one has gone on, if Tyrone win, I'm sure their fans would stay off too. It's the players day, let them enjoy it and stay off the field thus keeping everyone safe
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 20/08/2018 15:49:36
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No Fans Allowed On Croke Park Pitch
while we know its health and safety, but what a pity the Limerick supporters were not allowed onto the pitch yesterday...interesting to see if the same rule will be "upheld" after the football final...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 201 - 20/08/2018 13:18:07Its more than health and safety and that is just a nonsense statement. Its to allow the players celebrate with each other and not have hundreds/thousands pulling out of them. The immediacy after a game should be for players, coaches and their families.
It will be the same after the football final as its been that way since 2010.
The huge amount of stewards around the field yesterday sums up Croke Parks drift away from grassroots GAA . Dubs from the north inner city, East European stewards goading Limerick Supporters trying to get on the field.
A couple of dozen managed to break through but most were penned back by stewards, gardai & some form of Blue Plastic mesh the stewards were using.
Those on Hill 16 were hemmed in with a ten foot Perspex screen something similar to Guantanamo Bay .
OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 77 - 20/08/2018 14:42:33Drop the hyperbole. The number of stewards doesnt show any drift from the grassroots. And the screen is in place to stop dangerous pitch invasions and also stop all fans leaving from much smaller number of exits than normal.
wouldn't say it "works better"..thats just the way it is...I was in on pitch after Offaly won in 1994 (ironically against Limerick!) and the players were no way fed up of us...some players were school mates, neighbours etc. of mine..one player gave me his hurls to take home for him believe it or not...I seen some fans standing up on the back of seats etc yesterday..what happens if they fall and get hurt..should the GAA "permit" them to stand on the back of seats etc..obviously not, but interesting if they got hurted and no stewarding supervision to see what the outcome would be..
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 201 - 20/08/2018 15:11:28Problem isnt so much the winning players but there can be issues with them as well but what about those players who lose the game. Potential is high for abuse/altercations and no pitch invasion means players can celebrate with their teammates/coaching team and families in the direct aftermath of winning and shouldnt that be the case.
Fans shouldn't be so selfish anyway. What gives any fan a right to go onto the field after the game ? The players put their whole lives on hold for 7 8 9 months of the year and on the occasion they win something they should be able to enjoy it with their fellow players and walk around the pitch parading the trophy to their fans, not only is it selfish but incredibly dangerous as people can get seriously injured in a crush, kids can get separated from their parents too ... totally unnecessary. The pitch is for players, the stand and terraces for fans
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 12842 - 20/08/2018 15:11:58 Exactly. spot on.
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 20/08/2018 16:28:58
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Replying To CastleBravo: ""I'll tell you this though, no fence will stop XYZ fans coming on to the pitch if they win the All Ireland" Has been defiantly repeated ad nauseum since 2010 by those who hate the hill 16 fence. XYZ being some "long suffering" county depending on the year.
In the years since, it hasn't happened for:
Tipperary Hurlers,
Dublin Footballers,
Donegal Footballers,
Clare Hurlers,
Galway Hurlers,
and now Limerick hurlers
So what county are the pitch invasion lovers depending on now to breach the fence? Mayo footballers maybe?" If mayo ever win an all ireland I'd try get on the pitch mysel!
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1913 - 20/08/2018 16:55:41
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Replying To Bon: "If mayo ever win an all ireland I'd try get on the pitch mysel!" They've won 3,the same as Tyrone and more than many other teams. A lot of people seem to think they have none.
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It is a tragedy that they are not allowed on.
I don't buy the H&S argument. Why are they allowed on at half-time, full-time, in places like Wexford Park?
I watched the celebrations yesterday, compare that to the sea of colour from your county. Remember counties like Armagh, Tyrone, Clare, Wexford (OK I don't remember but have seen them), etc. Seas of colour. Those looked like the days.
Even seeing the crowd in 1980 on the pitch the other night, it didn't look like a H&S issue?
If we can allow 40k people onto the pitch for Coldplay, etc, why can't we set up some basic barriers, etc of some sort to allow the crowd onto the pitch.
I agree that the bedlam at full time with people running on to the pitch is a recipe for disaster, but surely we can do some form of basic crowd control, give the players 10 minutes together, console opponents, etc. Then, maybe the crowd could be slowly let on somehow?
For me, yesterday was yet another example of the GAA elite losing touch with the fan and the club man. We have lost our connection to the common man as an organisation.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "It is a tragedy that they are not allowed on.
I don't buy the H&S argument. Why are they allowed on at half-time, full-time, in places like Wexford Park?
I watched the celebrations yesterday, compare that to the sea of colour from your county. Remember counties like Armagh, Tyrone, Clare, Wexford (OK I don't remember but have seen them), etc. Seas of colour. Those looked like the days.
Even seeing the crowd in 1980 on the pitch the other night, it didn't look like a H&S issue?
If we can allow 40k people onto the pitch for Coldplay, etc, why can't we set up some basic barriers, etc of some sort to allow the crowd onto the pitch.
I agree that the bedlam at full time with people running on to the pitch is a recipe for disaster, but surely we can do some form of basic crowd control, give the players 10 minutes together, console opponents, etc. Then, maybe the crowd could be slowly let on somehow?
For me, yesterday was yet another example of the GAA elite losing touch with the fan and the club man. We have lost our connection to the common man as an organisation." it's not about you. all ireland final day is about the PLAYERS. it's their day. it's THEIR victory first and foremost therefore they should be able to enjoy it without being swarmed. Don't care if fans don't like it so long as players do. fans and players are safer in their respective zones. the players zone is the pitch, the fans is in the stands.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 20/08/2018 17:38:48
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Replying To CastleBravo: ""I'll tell you this though, no fence will stop XYZ fans coming on to the pitch if they win the All Ireland" Has been defiantly repeated ad nauseum since 2010 by those who hate the hill 16 fence. XYZ being some "long suffering" county depending on the year.
In the years since, it hasn't happened for:
Tipperary Hurlers,
Dublin Footballers,
Donegal Footballers,
Clare Hurlers,
Galway Hurlers,
and now Limerick hurlers
So what county are the pitch invasion lovers depending on now to breach the fence? Mayo footballers maybe?" We could be waiting for that one!!
Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts: 1626 - 20/08/2018 17:44:59
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Replying To OpenStand: "The huge amount of stewards around the field yesterday sums up Croke Parks drift away from grassroots GAA . Dubs from the north inner city, East European stewards goading Limerick Supporters trying to get on the field.
A couple of dozen managed to break through but most were penned back by stewards, gardai & some form of Blue Plastic mesh the stewards were using.
Those on Hill 16 were hemmed in with a ten foot Perspex screen something similar to Guantanamo Bay ." ? Croke Park is in Dublin North Inner City and I don't know what nationality of the stewards has to do with it but 5/5 for sterotyping
Cloneshill (Donegal) - Posts: 3 - 20/08/2018 21:07:33
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Health & safety is often stated in all walks of life nowadays. But behind that is the real reason, which is a poison in current society. Claims for compensation in a court of law.
If a someone runs onto the pitch at Croke Park and slips and, lets say, breaks his ankle, the legal parasites will be straight on the case, with the person injured only too keen to comply when he hears how much he'll get in compensation. And GAA will be liable.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2478 - 20/08/2018 21:21:16
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