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Hurling Reveiw 2018

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A wonderful year for hurling if not the greatest ever, and the sad part is that we've now to wait the guts of nine months for Championship 2019 to commence. Gutted as a Galway fan that they didn't do the two in a row, as it really would have silenced the doubters and cemented their place in history as a great team, sadly they just didn't turn up in the final, and despite the comeback, Limerick were deserving winners. So going into next season, you would probably rank the top four teams as Limerick, Galway, Clare and Cork, whilst Tipperary and Kilkenny will definitely be there or there abouts next season. I can only see Limerick getting stronger now that the monkey is off their back, but as Galway will tell you it's even harder to win the next time around. Galway will definitely need a few new players as defensively they were very weak this season, and conceded a lot of sloppy goals, also their forward play is quite one dimensional. If you were to put a gun to my head I would at this moment in time predict a Limerick v Clare or Limerick v Cork All Ireland final, but after the Summer we've had, who knows? Finally while the round robin series was a massive success, no team should play four weeks in a row, and that has to be looked at. Also move the All Ireland final back to it's previous slot, as everything this year just seemed so rushed, yes it was the wonderful the way the games kept coming at us, but it was almost like they were in a hurry to get the season over and done with!!

gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 21/08/2018 10:12:53    2135150

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Replying To dahayeser:  "Definitely no 6, I'd throw Carlow and Westmeath in there, 2 counties who have done great work with little support deserve some support to take the next step up now.

I'd like to see a break with county boundaries for leagues. I believe some Carlow clubs play in kilkenny leagues. I'd like to see more of this. Club hurling in Offaly is of a good standard with the likes of Coolderry and Kilcormac/Killoughey it would be good to see Westmeath teams play in a league with Offaly clubs. This would help clubs in weaker counties get competitive games."
Agreed and a 3 week break for both teams between the semi final ad the final (no bias at all - I'd say this if it was Limerick Vs Clare final this year). 2 weeks is too short in terms of getting over one match and trying to prepare for another.

The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 706 - 21/08/2018 10:54:54    2135170

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Replying To Canuck:  "Would agree with most of this analysis. In Waterford's case most of the time playing with one regular defender. Key other players like Mahony,Gleeson and Connors playing injured. This was unprecedented by any standard. Having all away games. These are facts not excuses. Next move on how they choose to play will be interesting. The Bennetts, Curran, Gleeson, Devine, Foran,DeBurca are all younger than most of the Limerick players. Plus a few more who have minor and u21 all- irelands. However no guarantees. The Ken McGrath, Paul Flynn, John Mullane etc. were a better team and no All-Ireland. The present team may have a little more depth. The bottom line is if you are good enough you will win."
McGrath acted in good faith by bringing the players back later than usual. He admitted it himself that he got it wrong.

It's a shame than his reign ended like that. He was a very good manager for Waterford and came in at a very important time in the development of this set of player.

I think Waterford will go close again over the coming year. There is too much talent there and some of the underage winning forwards should get more game time from next year onwards.

I am really looking forward to seeing what way the new manager sets up the team. I would like to see Power get his chance.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 21/08/2018 12:23:37    2135219

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Replying To perfect10:  "what a year.
hurling people fell over this format by accident,but thank god they did!
to do's for next year.
1. trial 2 referees in the league.the game is too fast for 1 man.make umpires proper referees,a player bearing down on goal,they are best placed to call it.there are 3 other referees in each county who can help the man in the middle.
2. abolish league quarter finals,they are not needed.the league should be 5 games,top team wins it,end of story.
3. relegate bottom 2,promote top 2,between 1a and 1b.
4. no team should have to play 4 weeks in a row.we were gassed v kilkenny after 4 games.
5. if you dont play the 1st week,you should get a home game for your 1st game.it would be unfair to play your 1st game away against a team who has already had a game.
6. pump money and coaches into offaly,laois,antrim.we need these counties.croke park needs to do a review of what is going on in offaly in particular.hurling needs these and it sounds like a civil war down there."
No need to be trialling two refs...there's 4 intercounty refs at each game, 1 ref, 2sideline officials and a 4th official...the 2 linesmen should be utilised more and advise the ref in the middle.

1 thing does need changing and been said, no teams should be playing more than 2 weeks in a row apart from that can't think of anything else

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 21/08/2018 13:10:26    2135237

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Replying To perfect10:  "Scrap the April for clubs because its doesnt actually work and back to the 1st sunday in september for the final, the whole season is far too condensed and it hasnt helped club action one iota.
tearintom

it wont work when your hurling management plans a training weekend for 1 week,and your football manager plans a practice match for another weekend.

Wexford seems to have plateaued this year and it seems to be the norm under Davy Fitz. If they have a similar year next year or fail to finish top 3 in Leinster you can see the Wexford faithful losing patience with him.
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i am amazed that davy was brought back this year,and a poor championship next year will result in a p45.we bet 3 of the semi finalists in the league,and our goose was cooked when it came to the crunch."
Davy is brilliant at making an immediate impact in year 1 and 2 and then it just seems to taper off for him.

I think it was 2015 when Cork narrowly beat Clare in Thurles in a qualifier and the conservatism with how Clare played was astonishing. Conor McGrath was dropped back into midfield and aimless ball was lobbed down on O'Donnell. I remember thinking, this is so far removed from what Clare were doing in 2013. You could feel the frustration in the Clare supporters that night.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 21/08/2018 13:49:30    2135262

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Replying To The_DOC:  "Agreed and a 3 week break for both teams between the semi final ad the final (no bias at all - I'd say this if it was Limerick Vs Clare final this year). 2 weeks is too short in terms of getting over one match and trying to prepare for another."
2 weeks is too short? Really? So basically you are saying we need to abolish replays?
We either have replays, or extra time / free taking competition, we can't have both.
If there is a replay, there will always be a semi final team with an extra week.
I actually think I would rather 2 weeks than 3 for a lead-in, 3 weeks drags everything out.

Teams get over 1 match and prepare for another within 2 weeks all the time.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 21/08/2018 13:50:17    2135263

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "2 weeks is too short? Really? So basically you are saying we need to abolish replays?
We either have replays, or extra time / free taking competition, we can't have both.
If there is a replay, there will always be a semi final team with an extra week.
I actually think I would rather 2 weeks than 3 for a lead-in, 3 weeks drags everything out.

Teams get over 1 match and prepare for another within 2 weeks all the time."
I see your point but a final is different, give a team a right chance to use a week as recovery then the second week to try opposition related tactics in raining etc., then the final week as a recovery/prep week then a final.

Why do we need a replayed semifinal? I think the only replays should be for finals whether it be provincial or all Ireland, the rest should be sorted on the day - maybe not by free taking but by some means, extra time, additional extra time then maybe frees?

The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 706 - 21/08/2018 15:38:41    2135319

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "McGrath acted in good faith by bringing the players back later than usual. He admitted it himself that he got it wrong.

It's a shame than his reign ended like that. He was a very good manager for Waterford and came in at a very important time in the development of this set of player.

I think Waterford will go close again over the coming year. There is too much talent there and some of the underage winning forwards should get more game time from next year onwards.

I am really looking forward to seeing what way the new manager sets up the team. I would like to see Power get his chance."
Derek is definitely a people manager and student of the game. That is not to say he doe not understand the game but would be the first himself to say he is still learning. I can see him going back to building Harty Cup teams at De LaSalle again and bring those players to the top. He will appear again at county level. If not in Waterford some where else. One day when Davy is finished in Wexford he would be a good fit.
He may have error'd with bring back the team late in 2018 but that did not accidentally break Tadgh's collar bone. Barry Coughlan's broken bones in his hand is another story. Best left alone. Terrible run of luck. Them's are the breaks.
Again not criticizing Derek but I believe you will see a more flamboyant Waterford in 2019. That is what we know. Unfortunately it did not win us an All-Ireland either except for 1959. A team that should have won three.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 21/08/2018 21:12:31    2135441

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