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This was posted as a new thread on the ElevenASide Forum but has been incorporated here. yew_tree Posts: 9193 Mayo 08/08/2018 14:05 Hate Mail A few Managers have come out now regarding hate mail they are sent. I think most of us we're aware this has happened but maybe not to this extent. Seriously what's wrong with people? You see it on social media too, absolute clowns abusing players, referees, managers. Does anybody have self control? We all do disagree with decisions and I don't mind the roaring at games in the heat of moment or immediate aftermath but to go to the time, sit down and write a letter filled with such bile is reallly low. Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 08/08/2018 14:12:15 2130837 Link
Anyone who sends hate mail to volunteer sportsmen and women are vermin. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 08/08/2018 14:20:24 2130839 Link
Replying To waynoI: "Anyone who sends hate mail to volunteer sportsmen and women are vermin." Hear hear! cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 08/08/2018 14:36:54 2130845 Link
the same person who sends hate mail is the same person who would come on here abusing referees,players,opposition supporters,committees,etc,etc. i am the first to admit to whinging about the venue for the quarter final,but i do not and will never give personal abuse to a referee,player,manager. a referee goes out to do his best,some days you get a decision or two,another day you dont. no player has ever went out to hurl or kick a bad game. no manager ever made a decision which he didnt think would win a game. some people just air their real-life frustrations anywhere they can. people need a reality check and to stop the constant moaning about referees in particular.if it is so easy,go get a whistle a show us. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 08/08/2018 14:45:42 2130853 Link
I really dont understand it, seems very self defeating to me. I think its important to say its likely a small vocal minority, like most things in life when this raises its head. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 08/08/2018 14:46:46 2130855 Link
Replying To Administrator: "This was posted as a new thread on the ElevenASide Forum but has been incorporated here. yew_tree Posts: 9193 Mayo 08/08/2018 14:05 Hate Mail A few Managers have come out now regarding hate mail they are sent. I think most of us we're aware this has happened but maybe not to this extent. Seriously what's wrong with people? You see it on social media too, absolute clowns abusing players, referees, managers. Does anybody have self control? We all do disagree with decisions and I don't mind the roaring at games in the heat of moment or immediate aftermath but to go to the time, sit down and write a letter filled with such bile is reallly low." I'm stunned by this. Shocking stuff. This is way beyond the GAA's remit in terms of acting on it. The guards should be involved. I've never bothered with social media & will keep my kids off it as long as I possibly can I know that for sure. No idea what's in it for people, totally baffles me. KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 08/08/2018 14:47:42 2130856 Link
Anyone who goes out of their way to write a hate mail letter to some person they don't know beyond probably seeing them on telly has serious issues and needs psychological help. Same with those who think twitter or facebook give them a divine right to say what they want about whoever. Or Americans who think the right to free speech means you can be abusive or whatever to people. Oh and lets not forget those Loose Women and their ilk though in fairness that is a different type of hate male we are seeing. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 08/08/2018 14:51:54 2130859 Link
I can't stand people that do such things, nor for that matter, those that think they're somehow different because they do it on Twitter as opposed to sending it by old fashioned post keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 08/08/2018 14:54:17 2130860 Link
The problem is that there seems to be no repercussions for this behaviour. These people are cowards and bullies. We all know that you have to deal with these people and the first way is a criminal charge. There are also the key board warriors who like to abuse. All electronic devices the same as a gun be licensed and service providers should require to have a code/number before providing service. This does not need to be a money grab. Violators and abuser loose that licence if offending. In fairness it must be said in general the posters on here just debate. The odd time there is unnecessary vitriol towards other posters and people involved in our games. Lets stay above that. Like that good Lady said. "When they go low you go high". Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 08/08/2018 15:35:37 2130869 Link
Replying To keithlemon: "I can't stand people that do such things, nor for that matter, those that think they're somehow different because they do it on Twitter as opposed to sending it by old fashioned post" Well that's it...I'd imagine anyone sending actual letters are over 40. Most under 30s have probably never sent a letter and wouldn't know how to but can give it loads on social media. I think people forget that managers/players and their family and friends see what's been written about them online. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 08/08/2018 15:36:50 2130870 Link
And examples like yer man at Belfast City airport the other day who thought it was alright to abuse Nacho Novo to the level he did, video it then share it around the place. Though unlike a lot of faceless/nameless ones who do it online or via the post at least he has found out that there can be repercussions and found out the hard way. Too late for him but others would do well to take note. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 08/08/2018 15:49:56 2130872 Link
The likes of Twitter is in a constant state of outrage. Always wanting to be judge, jury, executioner about referees, players, managers, and the worst vitriol of all was (regardless of what side you fell on) the Belfast Rape trial. But back to GAA, everybody needs to realise that while some people are making a fortune out of GAA, the likes of players, referees, etc are not. For James Owens to have the courage to go out and adjudicate on probably 500 decisions on Sunday week, with 83k screaming at him, and a nation watching, while a GAA world watches on, I can only sympathise with him that he will get a few decisions wrong and will get slaughtered on Twitter, probably hate mail, etc. All for the love and glory of doing the most thankless job in GAA. I have the highest of respect for him and any GAA referee. The GAA is now full of lazy armchair pundits, coaches, referees . I am over an U6 team and the lad who comes in for 5 minutes towards the end to pick up his kid (having dropped him in an hour earlier, woe betide he stay and help) is more likely to tell you how to coach the team, than the lad who was there for the hour. It always reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Ned Flanders was coaching the team, Homer started abusing him and Ned gave him the job. Homer turned around and said "but you were doing a great job". People complain about fixtures, grounds, where games are played, etc. I am sure your club will let you be co. representative if you want to go to a meeting on a Tuesday night, be their guest. If the standard of refereeing is so bad that you vent on Twitter on Hoganstand, get on a course and show James Owens, Fergal Horgan, David Coldrick, etc how its done. Imagine being a low-life enough to abuse them anonymously on a discussion board having never done the job yourself. James Owens probably gets 50 quid for refereeing the All-Ireland final. Sometimes, supporters, keyboard warriors need to take a step back before typing. Maybe the first question to ask is "Can I do better" instead of pointing to everything somebody else does wrong. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1736 - 08/08/2018 16:03:02 2130877 Link
It appears that nowadays anybody who has a public persona is seen as fair game for hate mail. There are unfortunately a lot of 'sick' people in our society. It is difficult to stop something like hate mail. Highlighting it in the press may actually give these people a sense of achievement and empowerment. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 08/08/2018 16:03:07 2130878 Link
There was a couple of us at a match one time eulogising a particular player we'd previously have lambasted. This very nice middle-aged lady leans across from the seat nearby and says with a big smile on her face 'that's my son'. Lesson learnt Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1060 - 08/08/2018 16:10:00 2130883 Link
Replying To Maroonatic: "There was a couple of us at a match one time eulogising a particular player we'd previously have lambasted. This very nice middle-aged lady leans across from the seat nearby and says with a big smile on her face 'that's my son'. Lesson learnt" Had a similar one! I once sat beside a man at a match, I had being saying "Jesus, player x is some loss, he has been excellent all year". Turned out the man was this players father! I don't criticise players or officials as a rule. Everybody does their best. The easiest place is up in the stand! StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1736 - 08/08/2018 16:55:19 2130902 Link
I would imagine if I was a public figure I would never go near social media - no point in going out of my way to get insulted. Something very scary about people wanting to have a cut off someone over a game an amateur one at that. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 08/08/2018 17:15:41 2130917 Link
Replying To perfect10: "the same person who sends hate mail is the same person who would come on here abusing referees,players,opposition supporters,committees,etc,etc. i am the first to admit to whinging about the venue for the quarter final,but i do not and will never give personal abuse to a referee,player,manager. a referee goes out to do his best,some days you get a decision or two,another day you dont. no player has ever went out to hurl or kick a bad game. no manager ever made a decision which he didnt think would win a game. some people just air their real-life frustrations anywhere they can. people need a reality check and to stop the constant moaning about referees in particular.if it is so easy,go get a whistle a show us." There's a huge difference between hate mail and abuse to criticising and moaning about referees and players. We live in a free society where freedom of speech is paramount. Yes, hate mail and abuse is disgusting and I believe in some cases a crime. But don't start equating criticising and moaning with this. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2478 - 08/08/2018 17:17:27 2130919 Link
The fact of the matter is many idiots on this site personally attack individuals also. Not to the same extent of writing letters and sending to the individuals family home but the tripe that is put on this site by people at times is disgraceful also and is bullying. I'm sure il be attacked for what I have said but it's the exact same thing. Keyboard warriors who never volunteered for the gaa and many don't even know where there clubs are and only interested in their count senior footballers feel that they have the entitlement to attack players and management who put their lives on hold. It's a sad world we live in. Tizcold (Galway) - Posts: 239 - 08/08/2018 17:34:11 2130926 Link
Replying To perfect10: "the same person who sends hate mail is the same person who would come on here abusing referees,players,opposition supporters,committees,etc,etc. i am the first to admit to whinging about the venue for the quarter final,but i do not and will never give personal abuse to a referee,player,manager. a referee goes out to do his best,some days you get a decision or two,another day you dont. no player has ever went out to hurl or kick a bad game. no manager ever made a decision which he didnt think would win a game. some people just air their real-life frustrations anywhere they can. people need a reality check and to stop the constant moaning about referees in particular.if it is so easy,go get a whistle a show us." Eh no. The people who send hate mail are seriously twisted individuals who either need help or possibly need to be locked up, depending on how unhinged they are. It's an absolutely sick, bizarre and cowardly thing to do. It's an incredible stretch to say that people on this forum who give out about referees players or the opposition are those sending hate mail. It's actually a very strange thing to say and completely unfounded. When you say abuse, I haven't seen much on this forum which would constitute abuse. I'm hoping that anything which would, is moderated as needed. Someone saying they thought a ref was very poor or even appeared to be biased isn't abuse. It's an opinion which may be completely wrong, but to equate the actions of the lowlifes who send hate mail is bizarre in itself. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2045 - 08/08/2018 17:35:29 2130928 Link
Replying To perfect10: "the same person who sends hate mail is the same person who would come on here abusing referees,players,opposition supporters,committees,etc,etc. i am the first to admit to whinging about the venue for the quarter final,but i do not and will never give personal abuse to a referee,player,manager. a referee goes out to do his best,some days you get a decision or two,another day you dont. no player has ever went out to hurl or kick a bad game. no manager ever made a decision which he didnt think would win a game. some people just air their real-life frustrations anywhere they can. people need a reality check and to stop the constant moaning about referees in particular.if it is so easy,go get a whistle a show us." Hear hear. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 08/08/2018 17:40:29 2130930 Link