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He shouldn't have done it, it was a reckless and uncontrolled outburst of aggressive energy.

But I feel sorry for the young lad.

This sort of attention wouldn't be at all good for him or his family at this time.

Take the punishment and learn from it young man.

We've all made brash and I'll thought-out decisions/mistakes in our youth.

The trick is to learn from it and motivate yourself to improve your attitude/actions off the back of it.

It shouldn't have happened and he knows that far better than we do.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 06/08/2018 17:44:29    2130094

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Replying To perfect10:  "so who on here has ever refereed a game?
i am absolutely sick to the teeth of referees being blamed,abused,scapegoated by an army of gutless keyboard warriors who never attempted to hold a whistle in their lives."
Anyone who has refereed knows that they will never be as good as experts who comment from sidelines (and couchs).

leftandwide (Meath) - Posts: 91 - 06/08/2018 17:48:42    2130097

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Football is a difficult game to ref and to be fair a lot of calls are marginal but there's no real excuse for some of the calls and they never seem to be held accountable. Also the culture of questioning every call from the sideline needs to change and won't happen by itself

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 06/08/2018 18:35:33    2130113

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Replying To neverright:  "The lad seemed to be complaining about an incident that happened prior to this but I think he had been getting agitated for a bit. It was a bit scary for the Kildare lad. Not alone was he grabbed by the throat but he had a close up view of a big, powerful lad who had completely lost it. I think the Mayo number 10 should be commended for the quick, but quiet, way in which he got the player to release his grip and then ushered him away. The ref also reacted in a restrained manner.
As regards 'crossing lines', I feel some posters show little control in blaming a lad for losing control."
Good post and to the point. It appears that some posters would like to bring back hanging.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 06/08/2018 20:32:58    2130156

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Replying To kildare73:  "Why would you "presume" the Kildare player said something? There's only one guy at fault here and that's the young Mayo lad. He completely snapped and now will have to take the consequences". Maybe you presume " the ref said something too??"
Why would I presume that? Well, the two possibilities are (1) Kildare player says something (perhaps entirely harmless or innocuous), Mayo player is so psyched up that he snaps and tries to strangle him or (2) Mayo player tries to strangle nearest Kildare player for absolutely no reason. Now, having played team sports I'm of the opinion that scenario 1 is more probable.

However, I'm not condoning what he did, his reaction was shockingly violent and he needs to be taken off a football field for an extended period both for his own sake and that of his teammates and opponents. He will need to learn to control his anger because unfortunately he will be a target for sledging for the rest of his football career now, regardless of what level he reaches, and refs will have his card marked. That will be his real punishment, after his 48 weeks or whatever is up.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 06/08/2018 21:09:00    2130177

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Why would I presume that? Well, the two possibilities are (1) Kildare player says something (perhaps entirely harmless or innocuous), Mayo player is so psyched up that he snaps and tries to strangle him or (2) Mayo player tries to strangle nearest Kildare player for absolutely no reason. Now, having played team sports I'm of the opinion that scenario 1 is more probable.

However, I'm not condoning what he did, his reaction was shockingly violent and he needs to be taken off a football field for an extended period both for his own sake and that of his teammates and opponents. He will need to learn to control his anger because unfortunately he will be a target for sledging for the rest of his football career now, regardless of what level he reaches, and refs will have his card marked. That will be his real punishment, after his 48 weeks or whatever is up."
You are insinuating the Kildare player sledged him and that's an unfair thing to do to the Kildare player. I don't care what team sports you may have played you can't just assume something and tinge a young lad's good name. The referee as we all could see was right on the spot, do you not think he would have heard something coming from the Kildare lad's mouth? As far as i know sledging is a black card offence. If he heard something he would have taken action but he didn't. I have no doubt young Flynn regrets his actions today and let's not lynch him. I seriously doubt he will ever let that happen again but he was the aggressor in this case. I hope you are never called for jury service with your eagerness to assume guilt.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 06/08/2018 22:05:57    2130218

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Replying To Kildare30:  "Fair enough Fionn. I take your points. Maybe from Kildare perspective i find Mayo and especially their supporters to be exemplary in terms of their character and nothing would change my opinion of them, stalwarts to a man. My point was more about the player been held by the throat."
Ask some of the Donegal fans who were at the league game in Castlebar last year what they think of the Mayo 'fans' I know many who would never set foot in the place again.
This is endemic among the Mayo teams, Cillain O'Connor has been getting away with it for years, in the refs face from start to finish of every game, no wonder the young lads like Flynn think it's ok to act like this, that's what happens when this behaviour is not nipped in the bud.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2756 - 06/08/2018 22:37:07    2130242

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Flynn was wrong in what he did and will take his punishment I presume what ever that is. BUT poor referees are causing a lot of trouble in our games, leading to players getting frustrated and lashing out. We need a pool of fully trained referees and the same for linesmen and umpires and if that doesn't work we need instant Video replay with power to over rule bad decisions by the Officials. Players are putting their lives on hold and training to a professional level and then have their year ruined by poor Officials. Not Good Enough.

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 06/08/2018 23:11:40    2130256

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Replying To kildare73:  "You are insinuating the Kildare player sledged him and that's an unfair thing to do to the Kildare player. I don't care what team sports you may have played you can't just assume something and tinge a young lad's good name. The referee as we all could see was right on the spot, do you not think he would have heard something coming from the Kildare lad's mouth? As far as i know sledging is a black card offence. If he heard something he would have taken action but he didn't. I have no doubt young Flynn regrets his actions today and let's not lynch him. I seriously doubt he will ever let that happen again but he was the aggressor in this case. I hope you are never called for jury service with your eagerness to assume guilt."
No, I don't think the Kildare player sledged Flynn. The Kildare player said something to the referee and Flynn immediately snapped, turned towards the Kildare player and started choking him. Which of course was a completely unacceptable reaction. I attach no blame to the Kildare player.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 07/08/2018 00:39:41    2130279

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Replying To Dellboypolecat:  "The Gaa need to raise the ban from 3 months to a year for players our management pushing refs our officials . Surely this can't be continuing to be accepted and some poeple today reckon sure player today is young he will learn from it . am sorry just because your young does not mean you can do that . big bans no excuses is needed young our not . rugby would not allow this"
OK Dell hope you are keeping well mate. You are right. The officials job is hard enough without players putting their hands on them and there should be a ZERO tolerance threshold in respect of this. I don't care if the player is 'young, inexperienced, hyped up rhubarb rhubarb etc' Players AND managers SHOULD know from an early age that this is complete NO NO. I DO think however that captains, and ONLY the captains as in rugby, should be allowed to approach the officials and ask for an explanation on a decision. I also think it would be a good idea if refs or their spokespersons were allowed to take questions after games.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 07/08/2018 00:59:37    2130282

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Replying To browncows:  "Good post and to the point. It appears that some posters would like to bring back hanging."
Except nobody has said anything of the sort. Most people have said what he did was inexcusable and he deserves a long ban to try to stamp this out.
That's it. No song and dance. Nobody being hung out to dry. A good ban from football as per the rules. I'm sure he regrets it hugely, but part of that is being big enough to take your punishment.
No need to be so dramatic.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2045 - 07/08/2018 06:28:17    2130288

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Replying To perfect10:  "
Replying To DonaldDuck:  "There's always a chance of that happening when the standard of refereeing is as appalling as it was for today's final. Some really shocking black cards decisions. Young lads deserve better than that level of incompetence when they are putting their lives on hold for football.

If Joe McQuillan gets all Ireland finals year after year it's a sign the standard needs to improve.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1075 - 05/08/2018 17:36:51 Standards of refereeing does need to improve through the training refs get and help they recieve on rules of the game etc but you can never defend a ref being touched/attacked/hit.
There is never any defence for that."
so how do you improve referees?go on, give specifics.
what are the gaa not doing that you think they should?
hurling and football are nigh on impossible to referee now."
Why are they impossible to referee? There is no excuse when you have 4 umpires and 2 linesmen. That's 7 sets of eyes.

A clear definition of what constitutes a legal might be a starting point. There is money to educate referees like do in rugby and pay them properly. As it stands there is too much open to interpretation and referees are selected for bug games because they are buddies with Pat McEnaney. Banana republic stuff.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 07/08/2018 09:40:58    2130317

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Ask some of the Donegal fans who were at the league game in Castlebar last year what they think of the Mayo 'fans' I know many who would never set foot in the place again.
This is endemic among the Mayo teams, Cillain O'Connor has been getting away with it for years, in the refs face from start to finish of every game, no wonder the young lads like Flynn think it's ok to act like this, that's what happens when this behaviour is not nipped in the bud."
Laughable...I could tell you a few stories about encounters with other country fans including Donegal but the majority of all fans of all counties are dead on sound.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 07/08/2018 09:59:40    2130323

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Laughable...I could tell you a few stories about encounters with other country fans including Donegal but the majority of all fans of all counties are dead on sound."
Didnt Mayos fans cars get damaged after the league game up in Donegal after this years league game?

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 07/08/2018 12:34:32    2130397

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He completely lost it.. there seemed to be a incident at the previous kickout but the camera doesn't catch it and you see him holding his face..Anyhow a ban will ensue.

Interestingly enough the waterguy was in fairly quickly when the initial part of the incident happened. Dare i say the management might have been potentially aware that this could happen.

Young lads at this age need to be kept in the game, giving him a year will solve nothing. The chances are that if that happened, he'd leave the game and never play it again. Surely in this day and age alternative solutions should be available as you never know what going on off the pitch..

As an aside. We have 3 officials at all matches, 2 linesmens and 1 referee. How about getting rid of both linesmen and have 2 referees, one responsible for each half of the pitch. The point is they would have to work closely together but either have the right to call..

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 541 - 07/08/2018 13:06:44    2130412

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Well considering the length McStay got for his actions this lad should be getting the book, tractor, trailer, ham sandwiches, etc everything at him. I'd like to think GAA are not going to let him away with it unlike what they did to dear auld Andy Moran

WaitingInTheLongGrass (Roscommon) - Posts: 165 - 07/08/2018 13:11:56    2130415

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Ask some of the Donegal fans who were at the league game in Castlebar last year what they think of the Mayo 'fans' I know many who would never set foot in the place again.
This is endemic among the Mayo teams, Cillain O'Connor has been getting away with it for years, in the refs face from start to finish of every game, no wonder the young lads like Flynn think it's ok to act like this, that's what happens when this behaviour is not nipped in the bud."
You've been grind that axe for a while you must be down to the handle now. There plenty of fans in each county who have given their county a bad name and there's more who are genuine and a credit to their counties. I've seen a few headbangers from Donegal in action same as any other county. He who is without sin and all that jazz, Tir!

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 07/08/2018 14:40:21    2130449

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Replying To Cuckoosinging:  "Didnt Mayos fans cars get damaged after the league game up in Donegal after this years league game?"
Yes but I wouldn't blame that on donegal fans.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 07/08/2018 14:59:13    2130454

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so how do you improve referees?go on, give specifics.
what are the gaa not doing that you think they should?
hurling and football are nigh on impossible to referee now.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2725 - 05/08/2018 21:55:07 The training refs receive isnt good enough. What work on rules of the game do refs at all levels recieve during the season/year?
What assistance/training do refs get during games/after games?
I rugby i have a pre season meeting where we are given presentation on new laws etc. Then we have a monthly laws meeting and if you are in special development groups aimed at people with ability to progress up a few levels then you get additional meetings a season.
The rule book needs to change. Make the sport easier to ref. gaelic needs a better defined tackle.

Why are Refs not also banned as some of them do not appear to know the rules and are more interested in trying to make themselves the focus of attention. A significant amount of Refs in club football are not fit to keep up with the play.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1832 - 06/08/2018 02:36:16thats a ridiculous attitude and sums up why refereeing is so difficult in gaa either gaelic or hurling.

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 07/08/2018 15:05:41    2130457

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My comment is aimed at guys who make comments about protecting Refs when they are very well protected by the rules and what they say, or write into a report stand as gospel even when it is clearly incorrect- I call that a type of abuse. Refs like everybody do make mistakes and are not gods. Indeed they should be respected, however respect is two way.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1832 - 06/08/2018 10:28:34Refs are not protected enough. Look at how many are treated and you would see that thats nonsense. Nobody is saying refs dont make mistakes.

I DO think however that captains, and ONLY the captains as in rugby, should be allowed to approach the officials and ask for an explanation on a decision. I also think it would be a good idea if refs or their spokespersons were allowed to take questions after games.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9074 - 07/08/2018 00:59:37In rugby in general players will always be quite close to the referee so talking to captain only works well. that isnt necessarily the case in gaelic or hurling.
Where would you have refs/spokesperson taking questions after a game?

A clear definition of what constitutes a legal might be a starting point. There is money to educate referees like do in rugby and pay them properly. As it stands there is too much open to interpretation and referees are selected for bug games because they are buddies with Pat McEnaney. Banana republic stuff.
Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1076 - 07/08/2018 09:40:58when you say you want money to pay refs properly? How much would you want them paid and paying refs without changing the rules to help refs or giving refs better training is just a waste of money.

As an aside. We have 3 officials at all matches, 2 linesmens and 1 referee. How about getting rid of both linesmen and have 2 referees, one responsible for each half of the pitch. The point is they would have to work closely together but either have the right to call..
ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 390 - 07/08/2018 13:06:44What good would that be? You are better off with 2 linesmen with greater powers than they have now than adding a new ref in the middle

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 07/08/2018 15:10:49    2130461

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