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Surely this is not what we want from the GAA Championship?
observer1975 (Monaghan) - Posts: 14 - 18/07/2018 10:56:20
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The league isn't really a league in the traditional understanding of a league and the championship is evolving and changing all the time.
Look , they cannot even organise things so games can be played every forthright so I wouldn't be hoping for proper competition structures anytime soon.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 18/07/2018 11:33:43
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Lose 2 And Still Win The All Ireland
Surely this is not what we want from the GAA Championship?
observer1975 (Monaghan) - Posts: 12 - 18/07/2018 10:56:20 Why is it a problem? Losing a game doesnt make a side poorer. If you win title after losing twice it doesnt make you a lesser champion than anyone else.
The league isn't really a league in the traditional understanding of a league and the championship is evolving and changing all the time.
Look , they cannot even organise things so games can be played every forthright so I wouldn't be hoping for proper competition structures anytime soon.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 18/07/2018 11:33:43 The league very much is a league in traditional understanding of a league. How is it not?
What would you see as a proper competition structure? How long would you want counties playing every fortnight for?
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 18/07/2018 12:14:24
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Lose 2 And Still Win The All Ireland
Surely this is not what we want from the GAA Championship?
observer1975 (Monaghan) - Posts: 12 - 18/07/2018 10:56:20 Why is it a problem? Losing a game doesnt make a side poorer. If you win title after losing twice it doesnt make you a lesser champion than anyone else.
The league isn't really a league in the traditional understanding of a league and the championship is evolving and changing all the time.
Look , they cannot even organise things so games can be played every forthright so I wouldn't be hoping for proper competition structures anytime soon.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 18/07/2018 11:33:43 The league very much is a league in traditional understanding of a league. How is it not?
What would you see as a proper competition structure? How long would you want counties playing every fortnight for?
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 18/07/2018 12:14:24
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Actually, rightly or wrongly, a team could lose three games and win the All Ireland. For example. Tyrone (who have already lost to Monaghan) could qualify for the semi-final despite losing their next two games.
If Dublin beat Tyrone, Roscommon beat Donegal, Donegal beat Tyrone and Dublin beat Roscommon in the remaining games then the table will read:
Dublin 6
Tyrone 2
Donegal 2
Roscommon 2
with second place being decided on score difference. Chances are Tyrone would come second in that case, unless they got heavily beaten in the remaining games, on account of their big win over Roscommon.
CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 104 - 18/07/2018 12:37:11
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Replying To DonaldDuck: "Lose 2 And Still Win The All Ireland
Surely this is not what we want from the GAA Championship?
observer1975 (Monaghan) - Posts: 12 - 18/07/2018 10:56:20 Why is it a problem? Losing a game doesnt make a side poorer. If you win title after losing twice it doesnt make you a lesser champion than anyone else.
The league isn't really a league in the traditional understanding of a league and the championship is evolving and changing all the time.
Look , they cannot even organise things so games can be played every forthright so I wouldn't be hoping for proper competition structures anytime soon.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 18/07/2018 11:33:43 The league very much is a league in traditional understanding of a league. How is it not?
What would you see as a proper competition structure? How long would you want counties playing every fortnight for?" Leagues are won on points . If you get the most points or scores in event of a draw you win the league.
GAA leagues can be won if you come second ( Kerry last year for example ) or not even from the top division. How is that a league ?
Proper competition structures ? Let's start with a simple one for you . How about all counties have to play the same amount of games for a start. Each province is different in this respect.
Finally , 70 minutes plus time added on as usual.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 18/07/2018 12:55:10
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Replying To CeachtPeile: "Actually, rightly or wrongly, a team could lose three games and win the All Ireland. For example. Tyrone (who have already lost to Monaghan) could qualify for the semi-final despite losing their next two games.
If Dublin beat Tyrone, Roscommon beat Donegal, Donegal beat Tyrone and Dublin beat Roscommon in the remaining games then the table will read:
Dublin 6
Tyrone 2
Donegal 2
Roscommon 2
with second place being decided on score difference. Chances are Tyrone would come second in that case, unless they got heavily beaten in the remaining games, on account of their big win over Roscommon." Correct. You could even find yourself in a situation where you lose 3 games and win the all Ireland, as tyrone would in this instance. Unlikely to happen though.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 18/07/2018 13:08:28
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All Ireland Champions should be the best team in the country in any given year and if they lose 3 games between the Provincial and the All Ireland Series and still come out on top they will still have proven themselves to be the best.......because every other top team get those bites at the cheery as well.....
Anyone can fluke one result but to come out of this competition winning it means you are the real deal.
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1835 - 18/07/2018 13:10:17
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I dont have a problem with it to be honest.
The championship is unfairly structured. Its harder to win and progress in Connacht and Ulster then Leinster or Munster.
Take Galway they had to play two Division 1 sides to get to the S8's and win a provincial.
If anything the room for error makes it fairer.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 18/07/2018 13:18:51
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Replying To Dubh_linn: " Replying To DonaldDuck: "Lose 2 And Still Win The All Ireland
Surely this is not what we want from the GAA Championship?
observer1975 (Monaghan) - Posts: 12 - 18/07/2018 10:56:20 Why is it a problem? Losing a game doesnt make a side poorer. If you win title after losing twice it doesnt make you a lesser champion than anyone else.
The league isn't really a league in the traditional understanding of a league and the championship is evolving and changing all the time.
Look , they cannot even organise things so games can be played every forthright so I wouldn't be hoping for proper competition structures anytime soon.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 18/07/2018 11:33:43 The league very much is a league in traditional understanding of a league. How is it not?
What would you see as a proper competition structure? How long would you want counties playing every fortnight for?" Leagues are won on points . If you get the most points or scores in event of a draw you win the league. GAA leagues can be won if you come second ( Kerry last year for example ) or not even from the top division. How is that a league ? Proper competition structures ? Let's start with a simple one for you . How about all counties have to play the same amount of games for a start. Each province is different in this respect. Finally , 70 minutes plus time added on as usual."
Even in England the principle of the final position trumping everything else is breached with the play-offs in the lower divisions to decide the final promotion spot - so, for example, in the Championship Division any team from third to sixth can be promoted.
An example from Ireland is in the Rugby Union League where the top four teams play off to decide the winner.
So there's absolutely nothing odd about the GAA structuring the league as it does.
CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 104 - 18/07/2018 13:42:01
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You can slice it or dice it anyway you want to. When points are used to advance in a competition it is a league. The same as counties do in their club competitions. Fine no problem. However have one competition in both codes and let the players spend more time with their clubs in the summer months to keep the sport alive. Not likely to happen either because of !!! Money Money Money !!!
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 18/07/2018 14:18:29
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Replying To Dubh_linn: " Replying To DonaldDuck: "Lose 2 And Still Win The All Ireland
Surely this is not what we want from the GAA Championship?
observer1975 (Monaghan) - Posts: 12 - 18/07/2018 10:56:20 Why is it a problem? Losing a game doesnt make a side poorer. If you win title after losing twice it doesnt make you a lesser champion than anyone else.
The league isn't really a league in the traditional understanding of a league and the championship is evolving and changing all the time.
Look , they cannot even organise things so games can be played every forthright so I wouldn't be hoping for proper competition structures anytime soon.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 18/07/2018 11:33:43 The league very much is a league in traditional understanding of a league. How is it not?
What would you see as a proper competition structure? How long would you want counties playing every fortnight for?" Leagues are won on points . If you get the most points or scores in event of a draw you win the league. GAA leagues can be won if you come second ( Kerry last year for example ) or not even from the top division. How is that a league ? Proper competition structures ? Let's start with a simple one for you . How about all counties have to play the same amount of games for a start. Each province is different in this respect. Finally , 70 minutes plus time added on as usual."
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7362 - 18/07/2018 14:50:28
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Run knockout provincials open draw in early summer. Then run an open draw knockout All Ireland after the provincials. Do or die football. Very little chance that will happen but sure there's no harm in dreaming.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 4633 - 18/07/2018 14:50:28why run off knock out provincial competitions early in summer? Why not space everything out more and play provincial cups or at least the finals later in the year?
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 18/07/2018 17:29:20
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Run knockout provincials open draw in early summer. Then run an open draw knockout All Ireland after the provincials. Do or die football. Very little chance that will happen but sure there's no harm in dreaming.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 4633 - 18/07/2018 14:50:28why run off knock out provincial competitions early in summer? Why not space everything out more and play provincial cups or at least the finals later in the year?
open draw knock out all ireland would be huge backwards step for everyone
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 18/07/2018 17:29:43
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And in some league competitions you can win Div 2 and Div 1 final!!!!! ultimate madness
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 18/07/2018 17:37:07
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Replying To CeachtPeile: " Replying To Dubh_linn: "[quote=DonaldDuck: "Lose 2 And Still Win The All Ireland
Surely this is not what we want from the GAA Championship?
observer1975 (Monaghan) - Posts: 12 - 18/07/2018 10:56:20 Why is it a problem? Losing a game doesnt make a side poorer. If you win title after losing twice it doesnt make you a lesser champion than anyone else.
The league isn't really a league in the traditional understanding of a league and the championship is evolving and changing all the time.
Look , they cannot even organise things so games can be played every forthright so I wouldn't be hoping for proper competition structures anytime soon.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 18/07/2018 11:33:43 The league very much is a league in traditional understanding of a league. How is it not?
What would you see as a proper competition structure? How long would you want counties playing every fortnight for?" Leagues are won on points . If you get the most points or scores in event of a draw you win the league. GAA leagues can be won if you come second ( Kerry last year for example ) or not even from the top division. How is that a league ? Proper competition structures ? Let's start with a simple one for you . How about all counties have to play the same amount of games for a start. Each province is different in this respect. Finally , 70 minutes plus time added on as usual."
Even in England the principle of the final position trumping everything else is breached with the play-offs in the lower divisions to decide the final promotion spot - so, for example, in the Championship Division any team from third to sixth can be promoted.
An example from Ireland is in the Rugby Union League where the top four teams play off to decide the winner.
So there's absolutely nothing odd about the GAA structuring the league as it does."]There are of course always exceptions but these should not detract from the logic behind awarding points for winning games and allowing a team with less points to win out that competition. Premiership, 6 nations, LoI,to mention a few all decided on points to the team with the most.
Why complicate this unnecessarily.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 18/07/2018 17:52:22
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Lose 2 and still win All Ireland, there is a possibly of losing 3 and still win Sam, in the 2nd round in group 2 Tyrone v Dublin and Roscommon v Donegal, if Dublin and Roscommon win that means Dublin will be on 4pts and the Tyrone and Roscommon on 2 while Donegal have 0, there is still a possibility that in the final game Dublin beat Roscommon and if Donegal beat Tyrone then Dublin finish on 6pts while Tyrone, Donegal and Roscommon will all be on 2pts after losing 2 games in the super 8s and scoring difference comes into operation so after Tyrone losing a game in Ulster championship then maybe losing 2 in super 8s they could still win the All Ireland title after losing 3 games
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 21/07/2018 16:00:55
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It certainly takes a bit of pressure of the Dubs tonight, with Roscommon in Croker to come. Tyrone on the other hand will have to go to Ballybofey looking for points if they lose, and I wouldn't fancy that too much.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 21/07/2018 16:36:59
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Replying To Dubh_linn: " Replying To DonaldDuck: "Lose 2 And Still Win The All Ireland
Surely this is not what we want from the GAA Championship?
observer1975 (Monaghan) - Posts: 12 - 18/07/2018 10:56:20 Why is it a problem? Losing a game doesnt make a side poorer. If you win title after losing twice it doesnt make you a lesser champion than anyone else.
The league isn't really a league in the traditional understanding of a league and the championship is evolving and changing all the time.
Look , they cannot even organise things so games can be played every forthright so I wouldn't be hoping for proper competition structures anytime soon.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 18/07/2018 11:33:43 The league very much is a league in traditional understanding of a league. How is it not?
What would you see as a proper competition structure? How long would you want counties playing every fortnight for?" Leagues are won on points . If you get the most points or scores in event of a draw you win the league. GAA leagues can be won if you come second ( Kerry last year for example ) or not even from the top division. How is that a league ? Proper competition structures ? Let's start with a simple one for you . How about all counties have to play the same amount of games for a start. Each province is different in this respect. Finally , 70 minutes plus time added on as usual."
Every other major team sport on earth has as it's main competition a league stage followed by a knockout stage.
Basketball
Baseball
Hurling
Football
Rugby Union
Australian Rules
Ice Hockey
American Football
Rugby League
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1646 - 21/07/2018 17:13:51
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It's incredible to think that Kerry won the All-Ireland in 1980 by playing 3 games
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 21/07/2018 20:47:27
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