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I see that Martin McHugh believes that its the worst ever week for the GAA. I have to say that I agree with some of his points and there are a few surprises in there.
I agree that the provincial winners should kick off the super 8's with a home game and the provincial runners up should get a home game the next game out. Also the farce over the Kildare Mayo game last week put the GAA in a poor light.
I was surprised to read that some of the main referees should not be taking expenses from the counties to ref friendlies.
Martin is a good pundit and should be listened to.
Martin McHugh believes it's been a terrible week for the GAA.
With Newbridgegate still fresh in the memory, the Association seems to be lurching from one controversy to another, what with Croke Park unavailable for matches on one of the busiest weekends of the year and the Leinster SHC final being played in Munster:
"This was one of the worst weeks in the entire history of the GAA," Donegal legend McHugh writes in The Irish Daily Star. "First there was the Kildare venue debacle. Then we had the Leinster hurling final being moved out of Croke Park due to concerts.
"And now it's starting to dawn on people that the GAA have made a mess of the Super 8s, with the provincial winners not afforded home advantage in Round One. This is probaby the biggest farce of them all. There's plenty more for the GAA to look at too.
"Like why the beaten provincial finalists don't have a home venue this weekend against qualifier teams with huge momentum on their side. Or how county managers are killing off games in stoppage time with endless substitutions.
"Then there's the farcical situation where counties appoint intercounty referees for challenge games and pay them generous expenses, knowing full well they will be in charge of some huge championship matches later in the summer. These are messes the GAA need to sort out ASAP."
oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 03/07/2018 13:35:23
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Replying To oldsam_newsam: "I see that Martin McHugh believes that its the worst ever week for the GAA. I have to say that I agree with some of his points and there are a few surprises in there.
I agree that the provincial winners should kick off the super 8's with a home game and the provincial runners up should get a home game the next game out. Also the farce over the Kildare Mayo game last week put the GAA in a poor light.
I was surprised to read that some of the main referees should not be taking expenses from the counties to ref friendlies.
Martin is a good pundit and should be listened to.
Martin McHugh believes it's been a terrible week for the GAA.
With Newbridgegate still fresh in the memory, the Association seems to be lurching from one controversy to another, what with Croke Park unavailable for matches on one of the busiest weekends of the year and the Leinster SHC final being played in Munster:
"This was one of the worst weeks in the entire history of the GAA," Donegal legend McHugh writes in The Irish Daily Star. "First there was the Kildare venue debacle. Then we had the Leinster hurling final being moved out of Croke Park due to concerts.
"And now it's starting to dawn on people that the GAA have made a mess of the Super 8s, with the provincial winners not afforded home advantage in Round One. This is probaby the biggest farce of them all. There's plenty more for the GAA to look at too.
"Like why the beaten provincial finalists don't have a home venue this weekend against qualifier teams with huge momentum on their side. Or how county managers are killing off games in stoppage time with endless substitutions.
"Then there's the farcical situation where counties appoint intercounty referees for challenge games and pay them generous expenses, knowing full well they will be in charge of some huge championship matches later in the summer. These are messes the GAA need to sort out ASAP."" Nothing like pundits having a moan to keep themselves in the public eye. What happened over Newbridge was ultimately a great thing because the suits were faced down and the real GAA people won. The situation with regards to the Leinster final replay will hopefully lead to July and August being months where concerts cannot be held in Croke Park. That too will be a positive development . He talks about the Super 8s being messed up before a ball has been kicked. I suspect his nose is a bit out of joint because Donegal's first game is against Dublin. Lose that and they are under pressure. They are unlucky because their game at a "neutral" venue is effectively a home game for Dublin.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 03/07/2018 14:39:46
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Replying To oldsam_newsam: "I see that Martin McHugh believes that its the worst ever week for the GAA. I have to say that I agree with some of his points and there are a few surprises in there.
I agree that the provincial winners should kick off the super 8's with a home game and the provincial runners up should get a home game the next game out. Also the farce over the Kildare Mayo game last week put the GAA in a poor light.
I was surprised to read that some of the main referees should not be taking expenses from the counties to ref friendlies.
Martin is a good pundit and should be listened to.
Martin McHugh believes it's been a terrible week for the GAA.
With Newbridgegate still fresh in the memory, the Association seems to be lurching from one controversy to another, what with Croke Park unavailable for matches on one of the busiest weekends of the year and the Leinster SHC final being played in Munster:
"This was one of the worst weeks in the entire history of the GAA," Donegal legend McHugh writes in The Irish Daily Star. "First there was the Kildare venue debacle. Then we had the Leinster hurling final being moved out of Croke Park due to concerts.
"And now it's starting to dawn on people that the GAA have made a mess of the Super 8s, with the provincial winners not afforded home advantage in Round One. This is probaby the biggest farce of them all. There's plenty more for the GAA to look at too.
"Like why the beaten provincial finalists don't have a home venue this weekend against qualifier teams with huge momentum on their side. Or how county managers are killing off games in stoppage time with endless substitutions.
"Then there's the farcical situation where counties appoint intercounty referees for challenge games and pay them generous expenses, knowing full well they will be in charge of some huge championship matches later in the summer. These are messes the GAA need to sort out ASAP."" The hyperbole police should come and take McHugh away. "One of the worst weeks in the entire history of the GAA":
- a fixture changed at late notice which appeared to please the majority of GAA fans
- a concert that was announced months ago resulting in a hurling match taking place in a venue that's probably i) more suited in capacity for the expected crowd and ii) more accessible for the participating fans
- people realising this specific week the ramifications of a decision (super 8 fixtures) made and widely communicated well over a year ago
- a rule that is in place for 17 years (neutral venue for round 4 qualifiers) is suddenly an issue this week?
- managers making "endless" substitutions (thought there was a limit of 6!) in stoppage time (a completely new phenomenon we've never seen in any other game, like soccer etc.)
- counties appointing inter-county refs for challenge games (sounds reasonable), paying them generous expenses (a fairly serious allegation, alright - backed up by what?) knowing they could be in charge of some huge championship matches later in the summer (this does appear to create a conflict of interests, to be fair).
Doesn't take much to upset our "two-trick" pundit.
Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 03/07/2018 15:27:01
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I'd consider the week that Tom Hogan was shot dead in Croke Park during a match to be probably a worse week.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 03/07/2018 15:44:11
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Replying To Kurt_Angle: "The hyperbole police should come and take McHugh away. "One of the worst weeks in the entire history of the GAA":
- a fixture changed at late notice which appeared to please the majority of GAA fans
- a concert that was announced months ago resulting in a hurling match taking place in a venue that's probably i) more suited in capacity for the expected crowd and ii) more accessible for the participating fans
- people realising this specific week the ramifications of a decision (super 8 fixtures) made and widely communicated well over a year ago
- a rule that is in place for 17 years (neutral venue for round 4 qualifiers) is suddenly an issue this week?
- managers making "endless" substitutions (thought there was a limit of 6!) in stoppage time (a completely new phenomenon we've never seen in any other game, like soccer etc.)
- counties appointing inter-county refs for challenge games (sounds reasonable), paying them generous expenses (a fairly serious allegation, alright - backed up by what?) knowing they could be in charge of some huge championship matches later in the summer (this does appear to create a conflict of interests, to be fair).
Doesn't take much to upset our "two-trick" pundit." Agree. I would take anything Martin said with a large pinch of salt!
Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 03/07/2018 15:54:57
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Trust me Martin, if you were a Gael living in the 6 counties during the troubles this wasn't a bad week!!
sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1053 - 03/07/2018 16:11:11
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Of all the things he mentions the Kildare saga & the allegations about refs effectively being paid bungs, if true, are the only ones that reflect particularly poorly on the GAA.
The other things are either relatively minor or easily fixable, hardly the worst week ever.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 03/07/2018 16:17:04
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It's the new hobby of exaggeration.
Worst week ever because of a row over a venue, it happens every year.
Did he add that gooch cooper wasn't really any good?
carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 03/07/2018 16:56:46
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Replying To sean og: "Trust me Martin, if you were a Gael living in the 6 counties during the troubles this wasn't a bad week!!" Why what happened?..
PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 03/07/2018 17:03:45
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Replying To Onfor15: "I'd consider the week that Tom Hogan was shot dead in Croke Park during a match to be probably a worse week." Was JUST about to post something similar.
First World problems etc.....
streaker (Galway) - Posts: 497 - 03/07/2018 17:50:42
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Replying To Kurt_Angle: "The hyperbole police should come and take McHugh away. "One of the worst weeks in the entire history of the GAA":
- a fixture changed at late notice which appeared to please the majority of GAA fans
- a concert that was announced months ago resulting in a hurling match taking place in a venue that's probably i) more suited in capacity for the expected crowd and ii) more accessible for the participating fans
- people realising this specific week the ramifications of a decision (super 8 fixtures) made and widely communicated well over a year ago
- a rule that is in place for 17 years (neutral venue for round 4 qualifiers) is suddenly an issue this week?
- managers making "endless" substitutions (thought there was a limit of 6!) in stoppage time (a completely new phenomenon we've never seen in any other game, like soccer etc.)
- counties appointing inter-county refs for challenge games (sounds reasonable), paying them generous expenses (a fairly serious allegation, alright - backed up by what?) knowing they could be in charge of some huge championship matches later in the summer (this does appear to create a conflict of interests, to be fair).
Doesn't take much to upset our "two-trick" pundit." Wasn't joe macquillan reffing ye'r indoor games in 2011?
He should never have that final.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 03/07/2018 18:27:55
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Wasn't joe macquillan reffing ye'r indoor games in 2011?
He should never have that final." Sure he gave yr every thing as usual. Ye were 4 up with 7 left and ye got suckers punched.
Still hurting I see.
Ah yes, that was a sweet sweet day.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 03/07/2018 19:06:44
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Wasn't joe macquillan reffing ye'r indoor games in 2011?
He should never have that final." He was indeed, not to mention what happened with the final in 2015 or the semi in 2016 but sure when did a bit of Dublin favouritism ever stop the Gaelic Benefit Dublin Association ;)
Ps Michael Hogan was the Tipperary corner back shot dead through the mouth on Bloody Sunday not Tom Hogan.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 03/07/2018 19:48:07
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Replying To sean og: "Trust me Martin, if you were a Gael living in the 6 counties during the troubles this wasn't a bad week!!" Oh ffs change the record.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/07/2018 21:46:28
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Replying To TheHermit: "He was indeed, not to mention what happened with the final in 2015 or the semi in 2016 but sure when did a bit of Dublin favouritism ever stop the Gaelic Benefit Dublin Association ;)
Ps Michael Hogan was the Tipperary corner back shot dead through the mouth on Bloody Sunday not Tom Hogan." Yeah was gonna say similar re Hogan.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/07/2018 21:48:11
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Wasn't joe macquillan reffing ye'r indoor games in 2011?
He should never have that final." We've gone over this a thousand times here, ye bottled it big time that game. 4 points up with 6 minutes to go and you couldn't see it out. The fact that you are still blaming a ref 7 years later is brilliant and It makes it all the sweeter watching back that game every now and again to know that there are the likes of you and your little friend Hermit that get a in a sweat over one man. Here for you hun xx
Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 03/07/2018 22:00:08
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Replying To TheHermit: "He was indeed, not to mention what happened with the final in 2015 or the semi in 2016 but sure when did a bit of Dublin favouritism ever stop the Gaelic Benefit Dublin Association ;)
Ps Michael Hogan was the Tipperary corner back shot dead through the mouth on Bloody Sunday not Tom Hogan." Here for you hun xx
Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 03/07/2018 22:00:49
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Sorry for getting Mr Hogans name wrong lads but it puts everything into perspective
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 03/07/2018 22:17:46
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"This was one of the worst weeks in the entire history of the GAA. First there was the Kildare venue debacle. Then we had the Leinster hurling final being moved out of Croke Park due to concerts."
Nothing I'm sure compared to the farce which was the 1925 football championship in which there was one effective semi-final and no final. And of course murder in the All-Ireland football final of 1920.
"And now it's starting to dawn on people that the GAA have made a mess of the Super 8s, with the provincial winners not afforded home advantage in Round One. This is probaby the biggest farce of them all. There's plenty more for the GAA to look at too."
Is it a farce? No. Maybe provincial winners might prefer a home game in the last game. Did anyone ask them?
"Like why the beaten provincial finalists don't have a home venue this weekend against qualifier teams with huge momentum on their side."
I agree, that would be a good thing. After all they did better in the provincial championship than the Round 3 winner.
"Or how county managers are killing off games in stoppage time with endless substitutions."
Simple solution: stop the clock for substitutions after a certain point in the second half.
"Then there's the farcical situation where counties appoint intercounty referees for challenge games and pay them generous expenses, knowing full well they will be in charge of some huge championship matches later in the summer. These are messes the GAA need to sort out ASAP."
Counties should declare who referees challenge games for them. And then provincial councils or the CCCC can decide to not put them into a particular match based thereon.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1040 - 03/07/2018 23:07:12
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If what Martin MC Hugh says is true about refereree s doing in house challenge games and being paid big bucks and then that same referee going on to ref an important match in the championship and the same team playing in the match against a team who haven't employed him well for me that is a very worrying factor. That could have a serious impact on fair play and a so called level playing field. That for me is a huge issue
border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 03/07/2018 23:27:13
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