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Kildare Dis-Service To Smaller Counties

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Replying To tearintom: " The fact is the likes of Dublin don't have to worry about these things, don't have to weigh these options up for example. But genuinely there are a lot of ordinary gaa people in Dublin who don't get the frustrations of counties who are not in the same privileged position as they are or maybe they do and don't give a damn which is fair enough too why should they? But don't belittle the small victories for smaller counties, for once a county put the players ahead of money good on them."

Exactly, the real reason why the Dubs are so worried about the little kiddies of Kildare not getting to see the game is they are worried that the jig is up for them and all their numerous advantages. If they were drawn out first to play Kerry and it was switched to Thurles you can bet there would be no end of "bleedin" and "jaysusin" out of them.

TrimJim (Meath) - Posts: 24 - 29/06/2018 12:06:51    2116653

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Replying To Richieq:  "Will be great to see that development take place, it will make St Conleth's a very tidy mid size ground and bring a great improvement to facilities, I have good memories of Newbridge as a youngster particularly of a certain gentleman selling hotdogs from a bicycle at the front of the stand, is he still on the go? He would do bumper business next Saturday if he is :-)"
He is indeed Rixhieq.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 29/06/2018 12:24:07    2116656

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Don't understand the point of this thread.
When has doing what is right, and following the rules as they were layed out a disservice to anyone?
Kildare were right, are right and always will be right in this situation."
Good man royaldunne. Thanks for your support. You're a great GAA man my friend.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 29/06/2018 12:31:06    2116658

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Replying To tonorio:  "Incorrect, Kildare played Offaly in tullamore in 2015 and in newbridge in 2016"
Apologies tonorio you are correct.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 29/06/2018 12:35:29    2116659

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Replying To your.right:  "Ironic that it is both Roscommon and Kildare. Both up to their necks in debt and requiring assistance from Croke Park."
Care to back that up with facts and figures rather than just a bland empty line?

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 29/06/2018 12:42:28    2116662

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Replying To TrimJim:  "Replying To tearintom: " The fact is the likes of Dublin don't have to worry about these things, don't have to weigh these options up for example. But genuinely there are a lot of ordinary gaa people in Dublin who don't get the frustrations of counties who are not in the same privileged position as they are or maybe they do and don't give a damn which is fair enough too why should they? But don't belittle the small victories for smaller counties, for once a county put the players ahead of money good on them."

Exactly, the real reason why the Dubs are so worried about the little kiddies of Kildare not getting to see the game is they are worried that the jig is up for them and all their numerous advantages. If they were drawn out first to play Kerry and it was switched to Thurles you can bet there would be no end of "bleedin" and "jaysusin" out of them."
'jaysusin'!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 29/06/2018 12:51:31    2116665

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Replying To TrimJim:  "Replying To tearintom: " The fact is the likes of Dublin don't have to worry about these things, don't have to weigh these options up for example. But genuinely there are a lot of ordinary gaa people in Dublin who don't get the frustrations of counties who are not in the same privileged position as they are or maybe they do and don't give a damn which is fair enough too why should they? But don't belittle the small victories for smaller counties, for once a county put the players ahead of money good on them."

Exactly, the real reason why the Dubs are so worried about the little kiddies of Kildare not getting to see the game is they are worried that the jig is up for them and all their numerous advantages. If they were drawn out first to play Kerry and it was switched to Thurles you can bet there would be no end of "bleedin" and "jaysusin" out of them."
not sure I agree.

sure there would be some not impressed

personally as someone who goes to every single Dublin game, I've gone on record saying I want more away games. Some of the best days supporting the dubs came from when we left the pale.

can't get enough aways. bring them on.

would LOVE to play and beat kerry in killarney in particular :)

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 29/06/2018 13:08:26    2116667

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Replying To kildare73:  "I'm betting not a tenth of what they have ploughed into Dublin AND provided you with a venue for your matches considering your own isn't fit for purpose. If you go on population versus home ground size Dublin actually have to be the WORST off of any county in the country. But don't let that stop you jumping on yer high horse. Does that mean Dublin will be still getting bailouts? At least we are doing something about our situation, Dublin?......no! Some lads are pretty sore that someone other than the mighty Dublin pulled the string this time around. Your glass house must be running out of stones by now."
Kildare is mismanaged! Sure didn't the GAA have to take over to get them back on the straight and narrow.

Dublin CB is probably one of the best managed in the country from underage right through.

As to Dublin how much money do Dublin generate for the GAA versus the money they get?

When we see the answer to this question we will know if Dublin are taking from the GAA not.

But if Kildare come as usual with cap in hand why should they be bailed out as usual?

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 29/06/2018 13:19:25    2116670

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Replying To TrimJim:  "Replying To tearintom: " The fact is the likes of Dublin don't have to worry about these things, don't have to weigh these options up for example. But genuinely there are a lot of ordinary gaa people in Dublin who don't get the frustrations of counties who are not in the same privileged position as they are or maybe they do and don't give a damn which is fair enough too why should they? But don't belittle the small victories for smaller counties, for once a county put the players ahead of money good on them."

Exactly, the real reason why the Dubs are so worried about the little kiddies of Kildare not getting to see the game is they are worried that the jig is up for them and all their numerous advantages. If they were drawn out first to play Kerry and it was switched to Thurles you can bet there would be no end of "bleedin" and "jaysusin" out of them."
See? this is the ultimate end point of these discussions: whining about the Dubs.

I'd say 99% of Dubs supported Kildare in their fight to get the match played in Newbridge.

Furthermore, as you probably well know, Dubs love a roadtrip. Kerry in Semple would be snapped up, as it was (twice!) in '01.

Your post just exposes a tiresome small-minded mentality.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 29/06/2018 13:19:28    2116671

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Replying To witnof:  "Whilst some people are off signing from the hilltops about a great victory for Kildare, they have just gone and done a dis-service to all smaller counties.

By taking the nuclear option they will force rule changes that bring capacity, season ticket holders, number of seats etc into the equation so that I can see grounds that are under 15K to 20K capacity been cut out of the equation for hosting matches.

You will probably see in the end 3 or 4 (max) grounds per province been nominated as been of the standard to hold intercounty championship matches, or atleast qualifiers! This also makes sense in that trying to maintain 32 grounds to standard is impossible.

People screaming it was SKYs going or that it is only about the money (funny the GAA seems to be the only organistion that should run on air, and it seems all the hierarchy are making millions) when in case 8 000 is not enough to see a game of this magnitude.

I think the GAA ballsed up in not having this clearer before becuase Newbridge is not a great showcase ground for the GAA.

But the chances of these small counties hosting games in the future just moved closer to zero."
I agree totally with what you are saying, a pyrrhic victory of sorts as you rightly point out not a chance grounds of this size will be used in future. Well said the GAA needs big crowds to function but I bet they regret not stipulating the size of grounds - won't make that mistake in future.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 29/06/2018 13:50:47    2116680

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Replying To witnof:  "Kildare is mismanaged! Sure didn't the GAA have to take over to get them back on the straight and narrow.

Dublin CB is probably one of the best managed in the country from underage right through.

As to Dublin how much money do Dublin generate for the GAA versus the money they get?

When we see the answer to this question we will know if Dublin are taking from the GAA not.

But if Kildare come as usual with cap in hand why should they be bailed out as usual?"
I see you didn't address my point Dublin being the worst served county when you take home ground size versus population. But perhaps bitterness is blinding you. Whatever you generate for the GAA you have paid yourselves pretty well out of it. If Dublin are so well managed how come you haven't got a fit for purpose stadium built for yourselves in all this time? Apparently it's an awful sin these days. Maybe it's easy to be flush when you don't have such capital costs and can piggyback on the national ground.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 29/06/2018 14:04:56    2116685

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "
Replying To TrimJim:  "Replying To tearintom: " The fact is the likes of Dublin don't have to worry about these things, don't have to weigh these options up for example. But genuinely there are a lot of ordinary gaa people in Dublin who don't get the frustrations of counties who are not in the same privileged position as they are or maybe they do and don't give a damn which is fair enough too why should they? But don't belittle the small victories for smaller counties, for once a county put the players ahead of money good on them."

Exactly, the real reason why the Dubs are so worried about the little kiddies of Kildare not getting to see the game is they are worried that the jig is up for them and all their numerous advantages. If they were drawn out first to play Kerry and it was switched to Thurles you can bet there would be no end of "bleedin" and "jaysusin" out of them."
See? this is the ultimate end point of these discussions: whining about the Dubs.

I'd say 99% of Dubs supported Kildare in their fight to get the match played in Newbridge.

Furthermore, as you probably well know, Dubs love a roadtrip. Kerry in Semple would be snapped up, as it was (twice!) in '01.

Your post just exposes a tiresome small-minded mentality."
And again your post is further proof of the fact ye just don't get it!

People aren't whining about the dubs, what they are whining about is the fact is the lack of fairness that exists in the gaa world at this point in time.

Is that the fault of Dublin? Absolutely not 100% but everytime it's raised the same rtheoric comes out, your only whining about the dubs, you see you don't get it!

This is a gaa issue not a Dublin issue. Dublin are in a privileged position not because they demand to be but because the gaa deem it that way. It's nothing to do with road trips, it's actually nothing to do with Dublin. Should Dublin take full advantage of what's on offer, 110% they should and do.

If my own county was afforded the same privileges I would 100% expect them to take it.

The inequality in the gaa doesn't exist because of Dublin, it exists because of the gaa itself but dub,in are the biggest beneficiaries and in my opinion don't get the concerns and issues that smaller counties have to deal with.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 29/06/2018 14:07:46    2116687

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Replying To arock:  "I agree totally with what you are saying, a pyrrhic victory of sorts as you rightly point out not a chance grounds of this size will be used in future. Well said the GAA needs big crowds to function but I bet they regret not stipulating the size of grounds - won't make that mistake in future."
Is this the Dublin version of yerra yerra?! Let it go lads, you side of the equation lost the argument. Starting to look a bit pathetic now.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 29/06/2018 14:07:49    2116688

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Replying To kildare73:  "I see you didn't address my point Dublin being the worst served county when you take home ground size versus population. But perhaps bitterness is blinding you. Whatever you generate for the GAA you have paid yourselves pretty well out of it. If Dublin are so well managed how come you haven't got a fit for purpose stadium built for yourselves in all this time? Apparently it's an awful sin these days. Maybe it's easy to be flush when you don't have such capital costs and can piggyback on the national ground."
The 30 to 50 000 seater stadium has been done to death, from a debate point of view. It has been going on for years and years.

Any Stadium been built that size needs central GAA and government investment and niether were prepared to do it, for the obvious reasons.

The only way Dublin could go it alone was if they kept all the money they generated from attendance numbers but then you can imagine the shit storm, as funding would dry up for other counties.

So if you want Dublin to go it alone they could, but then again you need to think through the consequences, just like the consequences of taking a public nuclear option to force a home game. Which was the point of this thread.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 29/06/2018 14:22:32    2116693

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Replying To witnof:  "The 30 to 50 000 seater stadium has been done to death, from a debate point of view. It has been going on for years and years.

Any Stadium been built that size needs central GAA and government investment and niether were prepared to do it, for the obvious reasons.

The only way Dublin could go it alone was if they kept all the money they generated from attendance numbers but then you can imagine the shit storm, as funding would dry up for other counties.

So if you want Dublin to go it alone they could, but then again you need to think through the consequences, just like the consequences of taking a public nuclear option to force a home game. Which was the point of this thread."
The debate might be done to death but you still go running behind the hem of the Croke Park skirt. As I said before, maybe if Dublin had to invest in a stadium maybe they wouldn't be so flush and try to talk down to us. This attendance funding you seem to think is keeping the nation fed, would that be from the one third full league games or the half empty Leinster Final this year in Croke Park? Kildare in the final last year: 66k attendance
Kildare not in it this year:41k attendance, so maybe you aren't doing it all on your own.
The so called nuclear option(Jesus what a stupid phrase) opens the door for other counties with smaller grounds to fight for their home matches. If a delegate from a small county votes against his county ground having a home game to facilitate the gaa's wishes, can you imagine the explanation he would have to give. Shit storm indeed. Face it lad, the vast vast majority are not on your side. Now enjoy the sun and don't be bursting blood vessels trying to "guild the Lillies"!!:)

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 29/06/2018 15:04:45    2116707

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Replying To tearintom:  "
Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "[quote=TrimJim:  "Replying To tearintom: " The fact is the likes of Dublin don't have to worry about these things, don't have to weigh these options up for example. But genuinely there are a lot of ordinary gaa people in Dublin who don't get the frustrations of counties who are not in the same privileged position as they are or maybe they do and don't give a damn which is fair enough too why should they? But don't belittle the small victories for smaller counties, for once a county put the players ahead of money good on them."

Exactly, the real reason why the Dubs are so worried about the little kiddies of Kildare not getting to see the game is they are worried that the jig is up for them and all their numerous advantages. If they were drawn out first to play Kerry and it was switched to Thurles you can bet there would be no end of "bleedin" and "jaysusin" out of them."
See? this is the ultimate end point of these discussions: whining about the Dubs.

I'd say 99% of Dubs supported Kildare in their fight to get the match played in Newbridge.

Furthermore, as you probably well know, Dubs love a roadtrip. Kerry in Semple would be snapped up, as it was (twice!) in '01.

Your post just exposes a tiresome small-minded mentality."
And again your post is further proof of the fact ye just don't get it!

People aren't whining about the dubs, what they are whining about is the fact is the lack of fairness that exists in the gaa world at this point in time.

Is that the fault of Dublin? Absolutely not 100% but everytime it's raised the same rtheoric comes out, your only whining about the dubs, you see you don't get it!

This is a gaa issue not a Dublin issue. Dublin are in a privileged position not because they demand to be but because the gaa deem it that way. It's nothing to do with road trips, it's actually nothing to do with Dublin. Should Dublin take full advantage of what's on offer, 110% they should and do.

If my own county was afforded the same privileges I would 100% expect them to take it.

The inequality in the gaa doesn't exist because of Dublin, it exists because of the gaa itself but dub,in are the biggest beneficiaries and in my opinion don't get the concerns and issues that smaller counties have to deal with."]I didn't make it about Dublin until someone else made it about Dublin.

There were a couple of Kerry posts yesterday that took this issue as a springboard to have a go at Dublin.

And I've also noted several times that Kildare are NOT a smaller county, they have one of the largest populations in Ireland. They've just been woefully mismanaged in GAA terms. It suited them to use Croke Park rather than invest properly in a ground of their own. I've supported Kildare in getting this match played in Newbridge, but the poor-me little-guy narrative is just baloney.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 29/06/2018 16:32:18    2116737

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Wanting to play a home game at home in the business end of the championship does not equal taking a "nuclear option". Jesus wept. They stood up for themselves, fought and got what is theirs by the rules of the game and also showed smaller counties the only way to get what you are owed is to demand it.

It's a pity Wicklow didn't do it this year, Dublin in Aughrim would have been a great atmosphere. I would rather a full and noisy Newbridge than 40-50K attendance in croke park with half the crowd leaving after the first game any day.

white.n.blue (Monaghan) - Posts: 249 - 29/06/2018 18:51:24    2116754

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "Good man royaldunne. Thanks for your support. You're a great GAA man my friend."
Ahh my old friend. How you keeping? Well I hope.
What the gaa tried to do to Kildare was a absolute disgrace. And I will be shouting you on , on Saturday eve. Can't wait , actually I have a little wager on Kildare. Think they will go all guns blazing. There's goals in that Kildare forward line.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/06/2018 19:12:31    2116761

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Replying To kildare73:  "Funny, this from a man from a county who meekly moved to portlaoise last year v Dublin when you easily could have been playing at home in Dr.Cullen Park as it turns out. Maybe a little bit of bitterness has set in, who knows?! They can't just put through any rule changes unless it's voted through congress. This isn't Eastern Block. If delegates from counties vote through the type of rule change you obviously hope they will and rule out smaller grounds, then they will have to explain themselves to their own counties as to why they voted to deprive their native county home championship games. God help them if the support Kildare got in the last few days is anything to go by. The wealthiest county in Ireland, I'm dying for you to produce those figures!! When you said that, I knew your whole post was just a joke!"
We in Carlow are not bitter at all... sad to see Kildare people defend the indefensible... how many tickets again for your home game? 1500 between the whole of your faithful followers ! I am glad I am not from Moorefield or Sarsfield or Carbury or Castledermot and looking for one of those 1500!
We in Carlow had a great outing in Portlaoise last year against the Dubs - its about 35 min drive from Carlow town and we had plenty of room to walk around - a stand the full length of the pitch was also a help... we really enjoyed the evening against the Dubs and they provide the best banter in the business too... we were also there in Portlaoise for the Louth game this year- and we travelled to Tullamore to play ye lads from Kildare- you see we don't mind travelling to places where we have been asked to travel to... no we are not compliant- but we have respect for all counties and we follow the advice proffered...
Kildare to me have shown little respect for their own supporters, and have added immense pressure to their own team, have seen a loophole and have taken the hard stand and I really don't believe that a similar situation will happen again.
I suppose that is the beauty of the GAA - each year a new controversy- a new challenge and I expect the powers that be - that I pay for through my membership- and attendance at matches and draws I pay in for - to learn from this debacle and ensure we don't have a situation like this again.
We in Carlow, Aughrim and Portlaoise have taken advice on venue changes in the past and I hope we continue to do the same into the future and that the GAA will be all the stronger for it.
You see - I for one trust the men and women of our association who are paid to make such decisions based on their experience.
And by the way - I stand over my premise that Kildare is the wealthiest county in the country! Each time I pass through Newbridge to go to Whitewater or Naas or Kilcullen - I see the wealth passing me by in their very nice Range Rovers - Mercedes good enough for the gentry of Kildare. I don't need to go to the latest census to garner such info.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 29/06/2018 19:38:31    2116766

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Replying To carlowman:  "We in Carlow are not bitter at all... sad to see Kildare people defend the indefensible... how many tickets again for your home game? 1500 between the whole of your faithful followers ! I am glad I am not from Moorefield or Sarsfield or Carbury or Castledermot and looking for one of those 1500!
We in Carlow had a great outing in Portlaoise last year against the Dubs - its about 35 min drive from Carlow town and we had plenty of room to walk around - a stand the full length of the pitch was also a help... we really enjoyed the evening against the Dubs and they provide the best banter in the business too... we were also there in Portlaoise for the Louth game this year- and we travelled to Tullamore to play ye lads from Kildare- you see we don't mind travelling to places where we have been asked to travel to... no we are not compliant- but we have respect for all counties and we follow the advice proffered...
Kildare to me have shown little respect for their own supporters, and have added immense pressure to their own team, have seen a loophole and have taken the hard stand and I really don't believe that a similar situation will happen again.
I suppose that is the beauty of the GAA - each year a new controversy- a new challenge and I expect the powers that be - that I pay for through my membership- and attendance at matches and draws I pay in for - to learn from this debacle and ensure we don't have a situation like this again.
We in Carlow, Aughrim and Portlaoise have taken advice on venue changes in the past and I hope we continue to do the same into the future and that the GAA will be all the stronger for it.
You see - I for one trust the men and women of our association who are paid to make such decisions based on their experience.
And by the way - I stand over my premise that Kildare is the wealthiest county in the country! Each time I pass through Newbridge to go to Whitewater or Naas or Kilcullen - I see the wealth passing me by in their very nice Range Rovers - Mercedes good enough for the gentry of Kildare. I don't need to go to the latest census to garner such info."
Carlowman it is not nice to say but Kildate is badly run. They should be Dublins biggest challengers but can hardly burst their way out if a wet paper bag.

I would love to see Dublin play in Carlow....you guys would make an event of it and use it to grow the game.

Kildare wouldn't know what to do.

Dublin as a county and team would have loved to have gone to Aughrim but if we did who would pay for Kildares pay outs

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 29/06/2018 20:58:08    2116777

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