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Kildare Dis-Service To Smaller Counties

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Replying To KildareKelly:  "Are you on medication or something ?"
No.
Just trying to establish some facts.
Clerkin said last home game in the championship for kildare was 1995.
Now I'm told by kildare lads it was 2013.
So that's no home match in five years.
Whose decision was that?
What was Kildare's last home championship match prior to 2013?

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 28/06/2018 14:18:32    2116418

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "No.
Just trying to establish some facts.
Clerkin said last home game in the championship for kildare was 1995.
Now I'm told by kildare lads it was 2013.
So that's no home match in five years.
Whose decision was that?
What was Kildare's last home championship match prior to 2013?"
Are you compiling a dossier or something? Google it! I wouldn't put much store in what Clerkin says, he sat smugly back in his chair the other night on telly and said in no uncertain terms Kildare would be in Croke Park on Saturday night. Within 12 hours or so he was back in his box! Last Leinster championship home game was 1995, Last championship home game was 2013. We've either been in neutral venues or away in since. Once too often now it seems.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 28/06/2018 14:29:42    2116421

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Replying To kildare73:  "Are you compiling a dossier or something? Google it! I wouldn't put much store in what Clerkin says, he sat smugly back in his chair the other night on telly and said in no uncertain terms Kildare would be in Croke Park on Saturday night. Within 12 hours or so he was back in his box! Last Leinster championship home game was 1995, Last championship home game was 2013. We've either been in neutral venues or away in since. Once too often now it seems."
Grand, so what Clerkin said was almost right, aside from the 2013 match there's been no championship football played in Kildare.

Who's decision was this: the GAA's or Kildare County Board's?

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 28/06/2018 14:44:01    2116427

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'Grand, so what Clerkin said was almost right, aside from the 2013 match there's been no championship football played in Kildare'

I'll ask again : are you on medication ? No one has said anything to suggest that is true.
Kildare have played plenty of qualifiers in Newbridge between 1995 & 2013.

KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 28/06/2018 15:33:46    2116441

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "Grand, so what Clerkin said was almost right, aside from the 2013 match there's been no championship football played in Kildare.

Who's decision was this: the GAA's or Kildare County Board's?"
Kildare played Offaly in a qualifier game in Newbridge in 2016.

don84 (Kildare) - Posts: 1 - 28/06/2018 16:06:53    2116451

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Replying To KildareKelly:  "'Grand, so what Clerkin said was almost right, aside from the 2013 match there's been no championship football played in Kildare'

I'll ask again : are you on medication ? No one has said anything to suggest that is true.
Kildare have played plenty of qualifiers in Newbridge between 1995 & 2013."
Super, so Kildare have played loads of qualifiers in Conleth's, so any narrative that Kildare are constantly ridden over roughshod by the GAA can be set aside.

Why do you think I'm on medication? Just trying to get to the nub of the issue as to why exactly kildare have chosen this game to be the uncompromisable issue they've made it out to be. Especially as even though it's a home game they're likely to be outnumbered 3:1 by away fans.

Why have Kildare not established a home ground to equal or surpass their smaller Leinster neighbours? They're not 'the little guy'

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 28/06/2018 17:12:40    2116469

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "Super, so Kildare have played loads of qualifiers in Conleth's, so any narrative that Kildare are constantly ridden over roughshod by the GAA can be set aside.

Why do you think I'm on medication? Just trying to get to the nub of the issue as to why exactly kildare have chosen this game to be the uncompromisable issue they've made it out to be. Especially as even though it's a home game they're likely to be outnumbered 3:1 by away fans.

Why have Kildare not established a home ground to equal or surpass their smaller Leinster neighbours? They're not 'the little guy'"
Who said we were being "constantly being ridden roughshod over"? We are playing the best team in Connacht over the last few years, the second best team in the country over the last few years. Why wouldn't we want it at home? Why do you think everyone hopes for a home draw when any draw, in any sport, is made? It's always better to play at home. We haven't played "loads" of qualifier in Newbridge, we have played some. Dunno why lads like you are keeping ridiculous stuff like this going. We made a stand, GAA fans countrywide backed us, and the GAA folded because they were explicitly in the wrong. As for your comment about the ground not being up to standard as you see it, that's been addressed time and again here. Investment in the past fell through, plans are in place for the upgrade now. So no need to worry about us.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 28/06/2018 18:34:26    2116496

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "Super, so Kildare have played loads of qualifiers in Conleth's, so any narrative that Kildare are constantly ridden over roughshod by the GAA can be set aside.

Why do you think I'm on medication? Just trying to get to the nub of the issue as to why exactly kildare have chosen this game to be the uncompromisable issue they've made it out to be. Especially as even though it's a home game they're likely to be outnumbered 3:1 by away fans.

Why have Kildare not established a home ground to equal or surpass their smaller Leinster neighbours? They're not 'the little guy'"
Kildare played Offaly in a qualifier in 2016 - that was the last championship game played in Newbridge.
This year we have played Carlow in Tullamore and then both Derry and Longford away in the qualifiers. I think we are quite justified in wanting a home game after 2 away games and one at a neutral venues. If we'd been drawn at home against any other of the Div 1 or 2 teams there'd be no issue. Only because of Mayo's big traveling fan base and the fact that the GAA see them as a cash cow this row wouldn't have erupted. We are fully entitled to play the game in Newbridge - full stop!

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 28/06/2018 18:38:01    2116497

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Replying To jimski:  "Kildare played Offaly in a qualifier in 2016 - that was the last championship game played in Newbridge.
This year we have played Carlow in Tullamore and then both Derry and Longford away in the qualifiers. I think we are quite justified in wanting a home game after 2 away games and one at a neutral venues. If we'd been drawn at home against any other of the Div 1 or 2 teams there'd be no issue. Only because of Mayo's big traveling fan base and the fact that the GAA see them as a cash cow this row wouldn't have erupted. We are fully entitled to play the game in Newbridge - full stop!"
it's a home game where home support will be dwarfed by away support though. Hopefully the familiarity of the surroundings can make up for that for Kildare. Strange one though.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 28/06/2018 18:50:54    2116501

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Replying To witnof:  "Whilst some people are off signing from the hilltops about a great victory for Kildare, they have just gone and done a dis-service to all smaller counties.

By taking the nuclear option they will force rule changes that bring capacity, season ticket holders, number of seats etc into the equation so that I can see grounds that are under 15K to 20K capacity been cut out of the equation for hosting matches.

You will probably see in the end 3 or 4 (max) grounds per province been nominated as been of the standard to hold intercounty championship matches, or atleast qualifiers! This also makes sense in that trying to maintain 32 grounds to standard is impossible.

People screaming it was SKYs going or that it is only about the money (funny the GAA seems to be the only organistion that should run on air, and it seems all the hierarchy are making millions) when in case 8 000 is not enough to see a game of this magnitude.

I think the GAA ballsed up in not having this clearer before becuase Newbridge is not a great showcase ground for the GAA.

But the chances of these small counties hosting games in the future just moved closer to zero."
Witnif... I fully agree with your viewpoint.
A percieved short term gain by Kildare has blinded them to what I also expect will happen fairly soon... The rules will undoubtedly change and Conleths and Louth and Aughrim and Cullen Park will probably not see a championship match if drawn v crowd pullers.
Kildare under even more pressure now v Mayo than if the game was played in Croke Park.
It's funny to see posters telling us that plans are underway to bring Conleths up a level... And this from the wealthiest county in Ireland.
I just hope Kildare give a good account if themselves. They were very much below par v Carlow but have gotten their team playing much better in last 2. Looking forward to viewing in SKY as I have no hope if getting in to the game. The two games in Croker would have been a nice double to travel to.
Sorry Kildare but I will be rooting for the western boys.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 28/06/2018 19:24:17    2116508

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "it's a home game where home support will be dwarfed by away support though. Hopefully the familiarity of the surroundings can make up for that for Kildare. Strange one though."
To be honest we just would have been outnumbered more if it was being played in Croke Park.

I'd imagine part of the deal in getting it played in Newbridge was Mayo season ticket holders being accommodated first, with an even split after Kildare season ticket holders were factored in.

I know plenty of people who have missed out on tickets but they're all able to see the bigger picture and aren't too worried about missing this one all things considered.

Mayo will be strong favourites to beat us on Saturday, even stronger if it was in Croke Park. At least if we lose on Saturday it'll be in a small ground with an electric atmosphere, I'd take that over a dead, three quarters empty Croke Park any day.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 28/06/2018 19:25:13    2116509

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Replying To carlowman:  "Witnif... I fully agree with your viewpoint.
A percieved short term gain by Kildare has blinded them to what I also expect will happen fairly soon... The rules will undoubtedly change and Conleths and Louth and Aughrim and Cullen Park will probably not see a championship match if drawn v crowd pullers.
Kildare under even more pressure now v Mayo than if the game was played in Croke Park.
It's funny to see posters telling us that plans are underway to bring Conleths up a level... And this from the wealthiest county in Ireland.
I just hope Kildare give a good account if themselves. They were very much below par v Carlow but have gotten their team playing much better in last 2. Looking forward to viewing in SKY as I have no hope if getting in to the game. The two games in Croker would have been a nice double to travel to.
Sorry Kildare but I will be rooting for the western boys."
Funny, this from a man from a county who meekly moved to portlaoise last year v Dublin when you easily could have been playing at home in Dr.Cullen Park as it turns out. Maybe a little bit of bitterness has set in, who knows?! They can't just put through any rule changes unless it's voted through congress. This isn't Eastern Block. If delegates from counties vote through the type of rule change you obviously hope they will and rule out smaller grounds, then they will have to explain themselves to their own counties as to why they voted to deprive their native county home championship games. God help them if the support Kildare got in the last few days is anything to go by. The wealthiest county in Ireland, I'm dying for you to produce those figures!! When you said that, I knew your whole post was just a joke!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 28/06/2018 19:54:21    2116515

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Replying To carlowman:  "Witnif... I fully agree with your viewpoint.
A percieved short term gain by Kildare has blinded them to what I also expect will happen fairly soon... The rules will undoubtedly change and Conleths and Louth and Aughrim and Cullen Park will probably not see a championship match if drawn v crowd pullers.
Kildare under even more pressure now v Mayo than if the game was played in Croke Park.
It's funny to see posters telling us that plans are underway to bring Conleths up a level... And this from the wealthiest county in Ireland.
I just hope Kildare give a good account if themselves. They were very much below par v Carlow but have gotten their team playing much better in last 2. Looking forward to viewing in SKY as I have no hope if getting in to the game. The two games in Croker would have been a nice double to travel to.
Sorry Kildare but I will be rooting for the western boys."
For your information, a planning application was submitted to Kildare Co Council at the end of April for c.€6m development - a new stand and other work which will bring the capacity up to 13-15,000. Ironically next year,if permission is granted, the ground will not be available from when the League games are played until Spring 2020.

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 28/06/2018 20:41:30    2116526

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It's ridiculous to claim that Kildare have put themselves under more pressure by insisting that the match is played in Newbridge. If it was played in Croke Park they would almost certainly lose it but in Newbridge they will have a fighting chance of winning it. They are the underdogs anyway and so are not expected to win but they can give it a right go now in their home ground. The truth is they have NOTHING to lose and have never been under LESS pressure to win!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 28/06/2018 21:47:51    2116534

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Replying To don84:  "Kildare played Offaly in a qualifier game in Newbridge in 2016."
Incorrect there, we didn't play Offaly in Newbridge in 2016. We played them in in Tullamore. We played Offaly in Newbridge in 2006 and also Louth in 2007.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 28/06/2018 22:00:57    2116537

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "It's ridiculous to claim that Kildare have put themselves under more pressure by insisting that the match is played in Newbridge. If it was played in Croke Park they would almost certainly lose it but in Newbridge they will have a fighting chance of winning it. They are the underdogs anyway and so are not expected to win but they can give it a right go now in their home ground. The truth is they have NOTHING to lose and have never been under LESS pressure to win!"
I'm delighted they won the battle to host in Newbridge and I genuinely hope they win the game. I'd always root for a Leinster team anyway, except Meath of course :), but I'd love to see them put it up to Mayo. But this could spectacularly backfire. It looks like Kildare will be outnumbered in their own back garden. If they had done the maths on season tickets they would have realised this. Mayo will relish the prospect of playing in a compact ground like Newbridge with their fans outnumbering the opposition and being close to the pitch. Let's hope they can justify their home ground stance and bring home the bacon.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 28/06/2018 22:06:21    2116538

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Kildare may have won the battle to host Saturday's All-Ireland football qualifier clash with Mayo but they will lose the crowd war in Newbridge.

In an ironic twist, which most Kildare supporters would not have anticipated, they will be outnumbered two to one by the green-and-red of Mayo for one of the most eagerly-anticipated qualifier ties since they were first introduced 17 years ago.

Mayo have around 3,500 season ticket holders, all of whom are entitled to be accommodated, while another 1,500 tickets will be distributed to clubs in the county.

"Chontae Chill Dara would like to place on record our heartfelt thanks to the clubs and followers of Kildare GAA, who have been so supportive not just this week but through all good times and bad.

That takes their guaranteed allocation to 5,000 and it's understood that many of those who had purchased tickets online were from Mayo.

Kildare have around 1,000 season ticket holders, while another 1,500 are being distributed among the clubs.

"That is something that we have never taken for granted. It is a source of great regret therefore that we will not be able to accommodate the huge demand for tickets among the Kildare GAA public for this game, and thank you for your understanding and patience in this regard."

"We would ask people who do not have a ticket for the match on Saturday not to turn up in Newbridge.
"We reiterate our appreciation of the support for Kildare GAA.
St Conleth's Park has a capacity of 8,200 and Kildare and Mayo County Committees will receive '1,500 tickets each for club distribution,' according to a statement from the GAA.
"The remainder will be used to meet the needs of players, season ticket holders and sponsors."

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 28/06/2018 22:11:49    2116540

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In an ironic twist, which most Kildare supporters would not have anticipated, they will be outnumbered two to one by the green-and-red of Mayo for one of the most eagerly-anticipated qualifier ties since they were first introduced 17 years ago.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1463 - 28/06/2018

To be honest I think a lot of us would have anticipated that so it's not going to be that much of a shock at all.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 28/06/2018 22:27:06    2116543

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Replying To jimski:  "For your information, a planning application was submitted to Kildare Co Council at the end of April for c.€6m development - a new stand and other work which will bring the capacity up to 13-15,000. Ironically next year,if permission is granted, the ground will not be available from when the League games are played until Spring 2020."
Will be great to see that development take place, it will make St Conleth's a very tidy mid size ground and bring a great improvement to facilities, I have good memories of Newbridge as a youngster particularly of a certain gentleman selling hotdogs from a bicycle at the front of the stand, is he still on the go? He would do bumper business next Saturday if he is :-)

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 28/06/2018 22:33:55    2116545

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Replying To TheUsername:  ""

Kildare may have won the battle to host Saturday's All-Ireland football qualifier clash with Mayo but they will lose the crowd war in Newbridge.

In an ironic twist, which most Kildare supporters would not have anticipated, they will be outnumbered two to one by the green-and-red of Mayo for one of the most eagerly-anticipated qualifier ties since they were first introduced 17 years ago.

Mayo have around 3,500 season ticket holders, all of whom are entitled to be accommodated, while another 1,500 tickets will be distributed to clubs in the county.

"Chontae Chill Dara would like to place on record our heartfelt thanks to the clubs and followers of Kildare GAA, who have been so supportive not just this week but through all good times and bad.

That takes their guaranteed allocation to 5,000 and it's understood that many of those who had purchased tickets online were from Mayo.

Kildare have around 1,000 season ticket holders, while another 1,500 are being distributed among the clubs.

"That is something that we have never taken for granted. It is a source of great regret therefore that we will not be able to accommodate the huge demand for tickets among the Kildare GAA public for this game, and thank you for your understanding and patience in this regard."

"We would ask people who do not have a ticket for the match on Saturday not to turn up in Newbridge.
"We reiterate our appreciation of the support for Kildare GAA.
St Conleth's Park has a capacity of 8,200 and Kildare and Mayo County Committees will receive '1,500 tickets each for club distribution,' according to a statement from the GAA.
"The remainder will be used to meet the needs of players, season ticket holders and sponsors.""
Don't worry, Kildare people could do the maths too. But it's our ground and we get to say this time where we play. We would have been outnumbered in Croker too so what's new. One thing doesn't get much consideration is the pubs and restaurants and shops in the town. You can't go around to these businesses looking for their sponsorship then tell them as soon as you have a high profile game in the town that can generate revenue for them we'll take it to Portlaoise, Tullamore or Croke Park.......but thanks for your quids! The Kildare people who are there will be very vocal and the team already know they have the county with them. No amount of attempted hole poking in the result Kildare got midweek will change a thing. Now we go for the result Saturday night and may the best team win.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 28/06/2018 22:35:41    2116546

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