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Kildare Dis-Service To Smaller Counties

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Richie in fairness

If you think this situation is a game changer you're wrong.

A simple rule change, a moving of a few words and now the CCCCC have the undoubted authority to change grounds based on demand for tickets which allows for more spectators to attend.

The GAA now will most likely react to stop this situation ever happening again.

It won't be done in such a way that will result in the organisation losing money that needs to be made to run the entire show from grass roots up.

This will change things. You're probably watching the last game where something like this is allowed to happen.

Now I know I'm from Dublin.

But I think I'm allowed to say the above without hearing highly debatable copy and paste efforts of tired old rhetoric that's only come about because we have a good team.

I'm expected to believe that money invested in school children since 2005 has resulted in men like Mickey Whelan, Pat Gilroy, Jim Gavin, Sherlock, Deegan, Brogan x 2, Kev Mc, Nolan, Fitzsimons, McCarthy, Brennan, Cluxton, Flynn, Connolly, Cullen, McMahon, Andrews, MDMC etc etc etc etc etc etc

This is the nonsense that people who don't have access to a calculator wants me to believe and are peddling on this very thread and are looking for any given opportunity to do so.. time and time again.

It's idiotic. It shows a complete lack of insight and understanding of the nature of games development funding.

It's funding spent to coach CHILDREN since 2005

We are told to play in Croke Park. Should we start insisting to the play all our games in Parnell Park now? I honestly would love that as it would be one less excuse..

Dublin have an outstanding away record.. they've played in 7 of the last 8 NFL Div 1 finals

The GAA tells us where to play chief.. the Leinster council votes to keep Dublin in CP. as O'Rourke said last Sunday regarding Dublin playing in CP.. how do you think all the coaches get paid in Leinster."
Dublin will beat most teams anywhere, that's not in question at all, Leinster Council have put the fear of god into other counties in the past by saying if they move the Dubs the funding will cave in, I don't believe that and I disagree with O'Rourke, if that's the case we can argue said funding has been disproportionate towards Dublin coaches in recent years. There was just over 40k there last Sunday, that hardly had the Leinster till bursting and I wager the Leinster hurling championship has been more profitable for Leinster Council both last year and so far this year in terms of gate receipts, the GAA thought they were telling Kildare where to play and they got that wrong, I don't believe Leinster Council are getting the financial benefit of Dublin in Croke Park, the football championship in Leinster is now such a non event that the crowds have fallen away, it's from the last 8 on that the Dubs generate the real money not in the Leinster Champiinship. And I don't believe the GAA tell Dublin where to play home league matches, that's Dublin's call and they call Croke Park and pay accordingly as far as I'm aware

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 27/06/2018 22:21:15    2116187

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Replying To TheUsername:  "That's fair enough mate, it's important to disagree. Personally I don't think any one comes out of it well, either Kildare or the GAA. I can see both sides of the arguement really. In a sporting sense Kildare of course deserve their home game, in my opinion Newbridge is a very poor county ground that really shouldn't be hosting county games, that's the crux of it really, I bought tickets for this game as it goes, i was offered the opportunity for Newbridge tickets and declined based on the ground. I think it's a huge pity those that want to go to the game can't or in my case won't. It doesn't really promote Galiec games. To be honest I'd prefer to esee a heap of Mayo and Kildare kids running a muck in Croke Park then see them sitting in front of the box on Saturday watching it on TV. Everyone will have a different reason for their opinion and that's mine.

It's done now so time to move on and look to the future. Your right on Dublin to, maybe Dublin should exercise their will to play in PP as opposed to Croke Park I genuinely wouldn't be bothered sure it was grand for the hurling and wouldn't effect Dublin financially. Not sure many a Dub would have a problem with Aughram either certainly not me I've been in Newbridge for OB Cup games, Aughram is a massive upgrade.

I think you are wrong here, the GAA is a political organization and it's based largely on self interest either individually politically or collectively for financial gain for example the Leinster council consistently vote to keep Dublin in Croke Park almost unanimously (yes Kildare too). I think it's naive to think there won't be rule changes on venues or even consequences valid or invalid as they may be for Kildare, certainly they may sit on the naughty step for a while or do a bit for fundraising then anticipated for Newbridge redevelopment ironically.

Like I say I think the battle was won, but the war lost.

Just my opinion mind."
The "heap of kids running a muck in Croke Park " surely wouldn't be allowed...........wouldn't that be a health and safety issue?? Plus a quarter full stadium with no atmosphere does nothing to promote the game either. The upgrade that is Aughrim, were you advocating your game being played there? As far as Kildare being on the naughty step for a while goes, well we will see but again, we will demand fair treatment in the future and we will be watching for any screw overs. Pretty sad that the largest sporting grassroots organisation in the country is now being labelled as a political organisation, we have enough of those anyone would think. In another post you question where our fans since 98 have gone, well every county, including your own has armchair supporters. I don't see Croke Park sold out for league games, not even the Leinster Final. Where were you all? No war was lost, a huge victory for grassroots everywhere.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 27/06/2018 22:22:36    2116188

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no answer to the question, when is the last time Kildare played a championship match at home?

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 27/06/2018 22:26:47    2116189

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Because Dick Clerkin said last night that it was 1995, which, if true, says that up til now Kildare have had no problem playing their 'home' matches beyond the borders of their own county. This begs the question "Why now?"

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 27/06/2018 22:29:25    2116195

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "What does any of that have to do with the GAA reneging on the prearranged deal to give home venue to the teams drawn out first for this round of the qualifiers?"
Why are you asking me?

I'm merely responding to remarks that were made complete off topic

Ask them.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 27/06/2018 22:34:02    2116199

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "Because Dick Clerkin said last night that it was 1995, which, if true, says that up til now Kildare have had no problem playing their 'home' matches beyond the borders of their own county. This begs the question "Why now?""
Dick Clerkin is incorrect. The last time Kildare played in the Championship in Newbridge was in round 3 qualifier in 2013 against Tyrone.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 27/06/2018 23:17:31    2116222

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "Because Dick Clerkin said last night that it was 1995, which, if true, says that up til now Kildare have had no problem playing their 'home' matches beyond the borders of their own county. This begs the question "Why now?""
It's not true at all.
We played Tyrone at home in 2013 which was the last time we were drawn to have a home game.
So it begs no question at all.

KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 27/06/2018 23:23:20    2116224

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Replying To kildare73:  "The "heap of kids running a muck in Croke Park " surely wouldn't be allowed...........wouldn't that be a health and safety issue?? Plus a quarter full stadium with no atmosphere does nothing to promote the game either. The upgrade that is Aughrim, were you advocating your game being played there? As far as Kildare being on the naughty step for a while goes, well we will see but again, we will demand fair treatment in the future and we will be watching for any screw overs. Pretty sad that the largest sporting grassroots organisation in the country is now being labelled as a political organisation, we have enough of those anyone would think. In another post you question where our fans since 98 have gone, well every county, including your own has armchair supporters. I don't see Croke Park sold out for league games, not even the Leinster Final. Where were you all? No war was lost, a huge victory for grassroots everywhere."
You'd think so but I'm genuinely amazed how many hotdogs an under 10 can put away in 75 minutes. ;) I do think it's geuinely sad though that, that can't be accommodated for children, also I'd imagine there will be a few geuine fans that miss out, however Kildare bought the ticket to the raffle and they won, so fair enough.

I couldn't have been less bothered if the game was in Aughram or Prot Loaise to be honest, the romantic in me would have said Aughram. I actually brought someone with restricted mobility to the game and I suppose for those fans venue, access, parking etc where real considerations, they were for me in those circumstances. So I do have thoughts for those fans with the uncertainty this week and planning those things, the venue does make a difference in those circumstances and will be a dictating factor I'd imagine for some, hopefully not many.

Just my opinion, as I think rules will be clearer and more stringent, will be gains and losses holistically and flexibility will be taken away. Best of luck with that, I genuinely mean it, I don't have an axe to grind with Kildare, but I do believe they may be further then the question for certain things then they were.

That's fine, it's like politics is wholly there to serve the people, in its truest for, of course it is, but ultimately it's also a self serving and collective vehicle. Things don't always need to be black and white, generally things can be good and bad. Actions consequences etc.

Pick any week in the year, find another fixture were Dublin aren't the highest attendance. I say this not as an insult, but I've been to packed Kildare games, when the sun is shining there are no better supporters, when the chips are down, the numbers are terrible, 10's of thousands. With Kildare population Playing a game in Newbridge should be as ridiculous as putting Dublin in Croke Park, it's a bit sad it's not really.

If people put as much energy into going to games as posting online about their right to play at home, there wouldn't be an issue, I'm generalizing I know, obv I'm not talking about the few hundred strong who go to everything so this isn't a personalized comment to you. I'm genuinely not trying to insult here, just arguing points. I have a lot of time, interest and have been involved in Kildare football and have s big personal interest in the game on a Saturday and wish Kildare well.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 27/06/2018 23:42:51    2116234

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Replying To neverright:  "As you say, 'what about the children?, I feel the tears coming on."
As I say?

I never said "what about the children" in such a manner.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 27/06/2018 23:50:46    2116239

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I'll give a little something for hq to think about. Come October and draw time remember this.
Neither Meath nor Kildare made it to semi finals in Leinster this year. This means that we are not seeded. And therefore one or the other can draw Dublin in quarters. I will say this loud and clear should Meath be in that position , dubs are coming to navan , I will be writing as I encourage all other royal to do the same, asking for a deferral on works commence. So welcome to our grass banks on either end (neither will be open ) welcome to our asbestos roofed stand with wooded seats (watch for splinters ) we will not give up home advantage and trust me mcentee won't budge a inch.
Kildare have lead the way and we will take up the mantle should it pass. Btw f ur season ticket holders, f ur Parnell passes. We won't care. It's navan or nowhere should it come to pass.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/06/2018 23:55:22    2116241

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Replying To Richieq:  "Dublin will beat most teams anywhere, that's not in question at all, Leinster Council have put the fear of god into other counties in the past by saying if they move the Dubs the funding will cave in, I don't believe that and I disagree with O'Rourke, if that's the case we can argue said funding has been disproportionate towards Dublin coaches in recent years. There was just over 40k there last Sunday, that hardly had the Leinster till bursting and I wager the Leinster hurling championship has been more profitable for Leinster Council both last year and so far this year in terms of gate receipts, the GAA thought they were telling Kildare where to play and they got that wrong, I don't believe Leinster Council are getting the financial benefit of Dublin in Croke Park, the football championship in Leinster is now such a non event that the crowds have fallen away, it's from the last 8 on that the Dubs generate the real money not in the Leinster Champiinship. And I don't believe the GAA tell Dublin where to play home league matches, that's Dublin's call and they call Croke Park and pay accordingly as far as I'm aware"
You're basing a lot on

"As far as I'm aware"

The Spring series brings in massive TV rights revenue independent from the NFL Div 1 coverage on TG4 and repeat rights on RTÉ

BT won a bidding war for the last Spring series rights package.

But whatever you say.. sure that huge money coming directly into central coffers playing live games on a Sat night during prime time has nothing to do with Dublin playing their league games in HQ.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 28/06/2018 00:05:08    2116243

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "Because Dick Clerkin said last night that it was 1995, which, if true, says that up til now Kildare have had no problem playing their 'home' matches beyond the borders of their own county. This begs the question "Why now?""
When Kildare last played at home in Leinster is irrelevant, they have had qualifiers in Newbridge in recent years and this game against Mayo is a qualifier for which they were drawn at home. How many counties have had home matches in Leinster? When have Dublin last had a home match in the Leinster Championship? That's a far more pertinent question that needs answering instead of poking holes in Kildare's argument.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 28/06/2018 02:51:43    2116265

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "Because Dick Clerkin said last night that it was 1995, which, if true, says that up til now Kildare have had no problem playing their 'home' matches beyond the borders of their own county. This begs the question "Why now?""
Because Kildare want to maximize their chances of winning this game!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 28/06/2018 08:17:53    2116279

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "Dick Clerkin is incorrect. The last time Kildare played in the Championship in Newbridge was in round 3 qualifier in 2013 against Tyrone."
So have Kildare only had one home match in the championship since 1995? That's crazy.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 28/06/2018 11:13:16    2116335

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Replying To KildareKelly:  "It's not true at all.
We played Tyrone at home in 2013 which was the last time we were drawn to have a home game.
So it begs no question at all."
Kildare haven't been drawn at home for any games since 2013? That's a lot of 50/50s they've lost in a row.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 28/06/2018 11:14:24    2116337

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Replying To Richieq:  "When Kildare last played at home in Leinster is irrelevant, they have had qualifiers in Newbridge in recent years and this game against Mayo is a qualifier for which they were drawn at home. How many counties have had home matches in Leinster? When have Dublin last had a home match in the Leinster Championship? That's a far more pertinent question that needs answering instead of poking holes in Kildare's argument."
I'm not trying to poke holes in their argument. I support the game going ahead in Newbridge. I'm trying to understand the full picture. "Why now?" is a very pertinent question.
Similar to "why have Laois, Carlow and Kilkenny got far better stadia than their far more populous neighbour?"

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 28/06/2018 11:17:48    2116340

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Surely there are thousands of genuine Kildare supporters who attend most of their matches who now CANNOT attend the match on Saturday evening. If that is a victory id hate to experience a loss. The Kildare county board are far from heroes in that they have effectively ignored their supporters (their customets) totally in all of this - apart from the fact that theyve sat on their asses for the past 50 years or more and have failed to provide an acceptable venue for such matches

lochgarmanabu (Wexford) - Posts: 1020 - 28/06/2018 12:12:06    2116373

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Replying To lochgarmanabu:  "Surely there are thousands of genuine Kildare supporters who attend most of their matches who now CANNOT attend the match on Saturday evening. If that is a victory id hate to experience a loss. The Kildare county board are far from heroes in that they have effectively ignored their supporters (their customets) totally in all of this - apart from the fact that theyve sat on their asses for the past 50 years or more and have failed to provide an acceptable venue for such matches"
Have you not been in the country the last few days? The Kildare County Board ignored their supporters??? There hasn't been a cause in a long time which has garnered such support either outside or INSIDE a county!! Makes me laugh at people who try to make out Kildare supporters didn't know what the repercussions for themselves if we won the argument. Of course we knew it was going to be incredibly difficult to get a ticket but the team plays at home and a right was defended. A few people now trying to twist the thing to suit their own agenda just makes them look a bit bitter.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 28/06/2018 13:23:59    2116404

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Surely there are thousands of genuine Kildare supporters who attend most of their matches who now CANNOT attend the match on Saturday evening. If that is a victory id hate to experience a loss. The Kildare county board are far from heroes in that they have effectively ignored their supporters (their customets) totally in all of this - apart from the fact that theyve sat on their asses for the past 50 years or more and have failed to provide an acceptable venue for such matches

lochgarmanabu (Wexford)

If you attend most matches, you will have a season ticket or you should have one.

DundalkGael (Louth) - Posts: 892 - 28/06/2018 14:01:11    2116415

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "So have Kildare only had one home match in the championship since 1995? That's crazy."
Are you on medication or something ?

KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 28/06/2018 14:13:26    2116417

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