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Kildare Dis-Service To Smaller Counties

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Whilst some people are off signing from the hilltops about a great victory for Kildare, they have just gone and done a dis-service to all smaller counties.

By taking the nuclear option they will force rule changes that bring capacity, season ticket holders, number of seats etc into the equation so that I can see grounds that are under 15K to 20K capacity been cut out of the equation for hosting matches.

You will probably see in the end 3 or 4 (max) grounds per province been nominated as been of the standard to hold intercounty championship matches, or atleast qualifiers! This also makes sense in that trying to maintain 32 grounds to standard is impossible.

People screaming it was SKYs going or that it is only about the money (funny the GAA seems to be the only organistion that should run on air, and it seems all the hierarchy are making millions) when in case 8 000 is not enough to see a game of this magnitude.

I think the GAA ballsed up in not having this clearer before becuase Newbridge is not a great showcase ground for the GAA.

But the chances of these small counties hosting games in the future just moved closer to zero.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 27/06/2018 12:40:16    2115909

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This one is raging lads, not everything revolves around Dublin you know!

TrimJim (Meath) - Posts: 24 - 27/06/2018 12:55:44    2115925

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Replying To witnof:  "Whilst some people are off signing from the hilltops about a great victory for Kildare, they have just gone and done a dis-service to all smaller counties.

By taking the nuclear option they will force rule changes that bring capacity, season ticket holders, number of seats etc into the equation so that I can see grounds that are under 15K to 20K capacity been cut out of the equation for hosting matches.

You will probably see in the end 3 or 4 (max) grounds per province been nominated as been of the standard to hold intercounty championship matches, or atleast qualifiers! This also makes sense in that trying to maintain 32 grounds to standard is impossible.

People screaming it was SKYs going or that it is only about the money (funny the GAA seems to be the only organistion that should run on air, and it seems all the hierarchy are making millions) when in case 8 000 is not enough to see a game of this magnitude.

I think the GAA ballsed up in not having this clearer before becuase Newbridge is not a great showcase ground for the GAA.

But the chances of these small counties hosting games in the future just moved closer to zero."
They were trying to knock out those grounds anyway or didn't you get that? Not this time around though. Oh no, does that mean that Parnell Park won't be hosting Dublin football games now either??

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 27/06/2018 13:35:32    2115950

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Croke Park have to take responsibility for upgrading grounds around the country.County Boards don't have sufficient resources.With qualifiers and now the supers 8s,the issue of the state of county grounds is more to the fore than ever.The gaa need to start investing resources in county grounds now.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2164 - 27/06/2018 13:46:05    2115957

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Replying To endgame:  "Croke Park have to take responsibility for upgrading grounds around the country.County Boards don't have sufficient resources.With qualifiers and now the supers 8s,the issue of the state of county grounds is more to the fore than ever.The gaa need to start investing resources in county grounds now."
A county like Kildare should have had a proper county ground years ago. How come many smaller counties with less resources have them

lochgarmanabu (Wexford) - Posts: 1020 - 27/06/2018 13:50:25    2115964

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Replying To kildare73:  "They were trying to knock out those grounds anyway or didn't you get that? Not this time around though. Oh no, does that mean that Parnell Park won't be hosting Dublin football games now either??"
No they weren't, were capacity was enough they were letting these matches go ahead in smaller grounds. But now they will bring in a rule that sets a minimum standard to avoid any issue.

Despite what the Brolly's of the world say the GAA is not an evil empire. Or if they are then the names of the GAA Croke Park people are known to all so people then should have the balls to call out people specifically rather than hide behind using simple the 'GAA' or 'Croke Park'

Dublin unfortunately will never get back to 'Neller, and for sure it is better for other counties, a. we would never be beaten there and b. the league revenues are spread across all counties so despite all the BS we are needed to increase PR and the revenues.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 27/06/2018 14:03:44    2115975

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Replying To witnof:  "No they weren't, were capacity was enough they were letting these matches go ahead in smaller grounds. But now they will bring in a rule that sets a minimum standard to avoid any issue.

Despite what the Brolly's of the world say the GAA is not an evil empire. Or if they are then the names of the GAA Croke Park people are known to all so people then should have the balls to call out people specifically rather than hide behind using simple the 'GAA' or 'Croke Park'

Dublin unfortunately will never get back to 'Neller, and for sure it is better for other counties, a. we would never be beaten there and b. the league revenues are spread across all counties so despite all the BS we are needed to increase PR and the revenues."
"But now they will bring in a rule that sets a minimum standard to avoid any issue". They will if they are let surely any such a draconian rule would have to be passed by congress or if introduced by the CCCC if it militated agains too many counties such interference could be dealt with at the next Congress.

The issue here was that the so called 'rule' was introduced AFTER the draw.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1063 - 27/06/2018 14:41:29    2116005

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Replying To witnof:  "Whilst some people are off signing from the hilltops about a great victory for Kildare, they have just gone and done a dis-service to all smaller counties.

By taking the nuclear option they will force rule changes that bring capacity, season ticket holders, number of seats etc into the equation so that I can see grounds that are under 15K to 20K capacity been cut out of the equation for hosting matches.

You will probably see in the end 3 or 4 (max) grounds per province been nominated as been of the standard to hold intercounty championship matches, or atleast qualifiers! This also makes sense in that trying to maintain 32 grounds to standard is impossible.

People screaming it was SKYs going or that it is only about the money (funny the GAA seems to be the only organistion that should run on air, and it seems all the hierarchy are making millions) when in case 8 000 is not enough to see a game of this magnitude.

I think the GAA ballsed up in not having this clearer before becuase Newbridge is not a great showcase ground for the GAA.

But the chances of these small counties hosting games in the future just moved closer to zero."
Pure guff. They just tried to implement that de facto policy of only playing in larger stadia and they failed spectacularly. If they try and codify it, then there goes the home match rule of the current set up, except for the few counties whose stadia are chosen to host the games. You think the county boards will be happy ceding this? And wouldn't it result in Dublin essentially playing every single game in Croker? Oh wait. They do that already.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 27/06/2018 14:47:29    2116008

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Wonder what all of those Kildare supporters who made most noise will now do with their 1500 tickets.

Ibbecek (Meath) - Posts: 196 - 27/06/2018 15:15:37    2116016

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Replying To witnof:  "No they weren't, were capacity was enough they were letting these matches go ahead in smaller grounds. But now they will bring in a rule that sets a minimum standard to avoid any issue.

Despite what the Brolly's of the world say the GAA is not an evil empire. Or if they are then the names of the GAA Croke Park people are known to all so people then should have the balls to call out people specifically rather than hide behind using simple the 'GAA' or 'Croke Park'

Dublin unfortunately will never get back to 'Neller, and for sure it is better for other counties, a. we would never be beaten there and b. the league revenues are spread across all counties so despite all the BS we are needed to increase PR and the revenues."
Well sure the revenues from Newbridge will be spread around too so isn't it all great! So when the All Ireland comes around and it's a sell out and genuine fans aren't able to get a ticket I presume you will be demanding the abandonment of an All ticket system and moving the match to the Phoenix Park so everyone can see it? Hahaha your "better for other counties " line on Parnell Park is hilarious. Fix your own ground up or don't criticise someone else's.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 27/06/2018 15:20:45    2116019

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Replying To Ibbecek:  "Wonder what all of those Kildare supporters who made most noise will now do with their 1500 tickets."
Easy. 1500 of us will use them!!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 27/06/2018 15:21:45    2116020

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The OP is clearly just worried he won't get a ticket when the Dubs have to come to Newbridge in the super 8's.

Spooked...

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 27/06/2018 15:39:39    2116024

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Replying To kildare73:  "They were trying to knock out those grounds anyway or didn't you get that? Not this time around though. Oh no, does that mean that Parnell Park won't be hosting Dublin football games now either??"
When is the last time Parnell hosted
A, a league game?
B, a championship game?
That involved Dublin.
We played in it two years running and the gaa didn't seem to worried about safety the first game v Louth they kept the gates closed while thousands q to get in causing a surge forward and a crushing incident. That didn't seem to bother them at the time though. And despite my writing to hq over that incident I only received a generic response.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/06/2018 15:45:30    2116029

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Replying To witnof:  "Whilst some people are off signing from the hilltops about a great victory for Kildare, they have just gone and done a dis-service to all smaller counties.

By taking the nuclear option they will force rule changes that bring capacity, season ticket holders, number of seats etc into the equation so that I can see grounds that are under 15K to 20K capacity been cut out of the equation for hosting matches.

You will probably see in the end 3 or 4 (max) grounds per province been nominated as been of the standard to hold intercounty championship matches, or atleast qualifiers! This also makes sense in that trying to maintain 32 grounds to standard is impossible.

People screaming it was SKYs going or that it is only about the money (funny the GAA seems to be the only organistion that should run on air, and it seems all the hierarchy are making millions) when in case 8 000 is not enough to see a game of this magnitude.

I think the GAA ballsed up in not having this clearer before becuase Newbridge is not a great showcase ground for the GAA.

But the chances of these small counties hosting games in the future just moved closer to zero."
That's a real post from the world of the privileged - ye weren't too concerned a few weeks back about the smaller county grounds when the dubs dodged a trip to Aughrim! I wonder if Wicklow had it back would they have done things differently. New rules cant be implemented unless voted in at Congress and I'm sure after this debacle it wont be so easy to slip that rule change through.
Also did I hear Donegal have been asking questions about why their 'neutral' super 8 game is taking place in Croker and not at a Provincial ground. Whats the money (no pun intended) that all the Dublin super 8's games will be played in Croker...what a joke.

blacknamber (Kerry) - Posts: 267 - 27/06/2018 15:58:29    2116031

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Replying To lochgarmanabu:  "A county like Kildare should have had a proper county ground years ago. How come many smaller counties with less resources have them"
Good point lochgarman. Will Kildare now develop Newbridge to 12,00 to 15, 000 capacity.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 27/06/2018 16:19:28    2116043

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Good point lochgarman. Will Kildare now develop Newbridge to 12,00 to 15, 000 capacity."
It's going to be 15,000 come April 2020. As much was confirmed earlier in the year, before all of this kicked off.

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 27/06/2018 16:25:10    2116047

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Good point lochgarman. Will Kildare now develop Newbridge to 12,00 to 15, 000 capacity."
Already underway. Ironically if we had it now the GAA still would have tried to take the game of us because they were quoting much bigger figures. We play at home.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 27/06/2018 16:29:28    2116052

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Tyrone tried to pull this stunt a few years ago trying to get a championship game moved from Ballybofey because their allocation wouldn't go anywhere near satisfying the demand in Tyrone.

They were told to take a running jump at themselves & at the end of the day ended up returning 1,000 tickets that they couldn't sell.

Just to rub salt in their wounds they got their arses handed to them on a plate.

Happy days.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 27/06/2018 16:49:55    2116060

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People screaming it was SKYs going or that it is only about the money

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1260 - 27/06/2018 12:40:16


I'd imagine SKY are delighted that the game has moved to Newbridge, it will be a sell out , have an electric atmosphere and there's a very good chance of an upset. At 8,200 capacity there'll be thousands more wishing to see the game and where will they turn to only SKY, so it's win win for them.

aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 256 - 27/06/2018 17:44:16    2116073

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Replying To witnof:  "Whilst some people are off signing from the hilltops about a great victory for Kildare, they have just gone and done a dis-service to all smaller counties.

By taking the nuclear option they will force rule changes that bring capacity, season ticket holders, number of seats etc into the equation so that I can see grounds that are under 15K to 20K capacity been cut out of the equation for hosting matches.

You will probably see in the end 3 or 4 (max) grounds per province been nominated as been of the standard to hold intercounty championship matches, or atleast qualifiers! This also makes sense in that trying to maintain 32 grounds to standard is impossible.

People screaming it was SKYs going or that it is only about the money (funny the GAA seems to be the only organistion that should run on air, and it seems all the hierarchy are making millions) when in case 8 000 is not enough to see a game of this magnitude.

I think the GAA ballsed up in not having this clearer before becuase Newbridge is not a great showcase ground for the GAA.

But the chances of these small counties hosting games in the future just moved closer to zero."
Kildare and Roscommon have demonstrated that there comes a point where people have to, in Brolly's words say' F***k this' and take a stand. So perhaps the grassroots have finally reached breaking point and will refuse to be treated like s**t by egotists in provincial councils and Croke Park.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 27/06/2018 17:54:14    2116077

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