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Armagh v Tyrone U20 Brawl

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Was there even one punch even thrown? Silly handbags. Can't stand the group mentality, two lads having a bit of a shove off is fine but lads running in to outnumber an opponent in shoving/ bravado stuff should be punished.

salvador (Roscommon) - Posts: 439 - 09/06/2018 21:32:59    2109110

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Armagh v Tyrone U20 Brawl
I'm sure most have seen it...
First of all this needs to be stopped. Whatever about identifying who was fighting on the pitch, all mentors and subs of both teams who entered the field should get large bans
DundalkGael (Louth) - Posts: 775 - 09/06/2018 09:29:36They are not mentors if they act like that

These things happen from time to time In contact sports..It doesn't look good when you see it and especially when subs and management get Involved..I watched it a few times and it did look nasty..very easy for some one to get a punch on the head and be seriously injured
dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 343 - 09/06/2018 10:11:31 But how often does this happen in the GAA?


Both teams should be expelled from the competition. This nonsense has to be eradicated from out sport. I don't care if it at Seniir, U20 or U17 level, if a brawl of this magnitude wrupts both teams should be expelled from the competition. Complete expulsion might make other counties think twice. Players involved should face an automatic 6 month band. Until the GAA takes a hardline approach this nonsense will continue. It will be too late when a player sustains a life changing injury.
I am all for being competitive but a player must play within the rules. Basically, accept defeat no matter how disappointed and be man enough to shake the hand of the opposition players and move on.
OakGael (Derry) - Posts: 286 - 09/06/2018 11:19:38 Would be brave move and good to see but wont ever happen.


So we just start kicking teams out from last night? Bring in a new rule half way though a season? Catch yourself on.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1168 - 09/06/2018 11:39:40How would it be a new ruling? Is there not a rule about bringing the association into disrepute?

I watched the incident twice and I can't say I saw any punches, it looked like a load of pushing and shoving really fellas trying to grab each others jerseys, let's just say iv seen worse.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7125 - 09/06/2018 11:47:33 Does that make it acceptable then?

A bit of an over reaction i think. Throwing young lads out of a competition? Having watched the incident from the footage doing the rounds i seen very little punches just pulling and dragging. It looked bad because so many were involved and subs and mentors running on is completely wrong but lets not go to town on a bunch of 19 year olds for pulling and dragging
Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 767 - 09/06/2018 11:49:12Is it? So we need to measure the quality of the brawl for a team to be punished then? Theyre not mentors if thats how they act on the sideline as its not exactly mentoring.

Looks terrible, gives oxygen to those who love to put the boot into the game ,I've seen worse but honestly it's a long time since I've seen those scenes they are not nearly as regular as the old days,
Perspective is what's required and measured punishment, the reaction to social media should not be a factor into a knee jerk reaction
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 4812 - 09/06/2018 13:06:23 So what would you recommend then? These type of scenes are not as regular as before which is great so punishements should be very strict for the times these scenes do occur to really help stamp them out more. Its worked well in other sports. Rugby used to have a lot of fighting/brawls but officials took a very hard line and there is rarely any big brawls nowadays and certainly not many that make news headlines of any real kind

Thank god for some common sense comments on here already. I thought this was going to turn into another unnecessary witch hunt.
I have to agree too that it seemed like a load of handbags which we have seen numerous times at county level over the past few years.
Gone are the days when anyone actually gets punched.
lambofgod (Mayo) - Posts: 63 - 09/06/2018 13:11:56 So because there wasnt a "decent quality" punch means the incident isnt as big as if there was or that people should treat it any differently?

Remove all physicality from the game immediately , kids up and down the country will be heading to tag rugby in droves if this jersey grabbing and pushing continues !!
achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 295 - 09/06/2018 16:06:49 well done on missing the point of the thread.

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 09/06/2018 21:50:18    2109123

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Replying To OakGael:  "Both teams should be expelled from the competition. This nonsense has to be eradicated from out sport. I don't care if it at Seniir, U20 or U17 level, if a brawl of this magnitude wrupts both teams should be expelled from the competition. Complete expulsion might make other counties think twice. Players involved should face an automatic 6 month band. Until the GAA takes a hardline approach this nonsense will continue. It will be too late when a player sustains a life changing injury.

I am all for being competitive but a player must play within the rules. Basically, accept defeat no matter how disappointed and be man enough to shake the hand of the opposition players and move on."
I disagree , everyone needs a slap now and again, are even better battered

FairShoulder (Armagh) - Posts: 333 - 09/06/2018 22:21:21    2109153

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Replying To sean og:  "My god, so many sweetie wives on here, next you will be saying make the game non contact.

I, like a few others on this thread was at the game. Possibly one of the best games I've ever witnessed, it had everything good about football from a group of lads who gave absolutely everything. Such a pity someone had to lose. Yes, there was a 30 second brawl but if you are going to start a thread each team there's a row were going to need a bigger forum."
I think you missed the pointl. this kind of thing should not happen. it's really boring when it happens and i do believe it's happening more and more. in times past there were rows but usually only involving the 2 combatants. nowadays it seems everyone wants to get involved. If you watch a game let's say from the 70s,80s,90s (apart from the Meath v Mayo final) you don't see these mass brawls. yes there are dirty hits but very rarely do players start pulling and dragging each other.
It seems now every time a player has the ball and a free is awarded against him (usually incorrectly). the opposing team make a massive deal of getting the ball back really quicklly (goodness know why as they then usually play it 30 yards backwards) the player holds on to the ball and a melee starts players are really nasty and petulant to each other. it's incredible to think that both soccer and rugby have more discipline and the players show more respect for each other than GAA footballers . Same stupidity happens after a player kicks a score or a WIDE. it seems the player or his marker has to either goad the opposisition player or shove him in the chest. it is so blomming boring. I tell you we are all fed up with it. I'm sure the game between Armagh and Tyrone was a great one but that is beside the point. The fact that people want to talk about the brawl says it all. don't blame the people, blame the players and mentors for letting themselves and the game down

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 09/06/2018 23:34:51    2109199

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What an advertisement for Gaelic Games, mass brawl with plenty of punches thrown, subs, mentors all rushing in, women & kids crying in the stand. Its not that long ago that two teams went at each other while marching behind the band & young kids in the band had to duck for cover when the row broke out before the game. Imagine your a parent not used to Gaelic games & your thinking of sending your kids to the sport & you see this, imagine your a sponsor who spends a lot of money on a team to see your name associated with this, imagine your a parent, brother, sister who ends up having someone seriously injured from a one punch attack, imagine your a spectator in the stand near the sideline & the whole row breaks out beside you or you get dragged into it, when will the Gaa ever grow a pair & take tough action on this crap. The usual €5000 fine per county & 8/12 week suspensions, appealed when its all blown away & the fines & suspensions reduced is the usual reaction. The "hard men" who like to talk tough dismiss it as handbags on here are usually the cowards who hit & run, I wouldn't pay any credence to those lads. I expect to see & hear the usual statements from Croke Park & the new DG about disgraceful behaviour & unacceptable but it is out of their hands & up to the Ulster Council. The Gaa is a farce when it comes to discipline.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 10/06/2018 00:32:03    2109222

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Embarrassing for the GAA. In the footage I saw, a player did a running jump into another group of players, how anyone could describe that as "handbags" I do not know. Teams need to start getting chucked out competitions for this. I don't buy the usual "shur they're only young lads who train hard all year" bs. Collective punishment is the best way to deal with these types of incidents.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 10/06/2018 06:16:28    2109244

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Overreaction...I've seen worse in Kiltane in West Mayo on a Sunday morning. I think the reaction of the crowd makes it seem worse than it is .

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 10/06/2018 09:28:41    2109268

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Absolutely disgraceful carry-on. Both teams and mentors were completely out of control for the course of the brawl. The lad who ran from the sideline and dived head first into one group of mauling players could have caused serious damage to a player(s), even one of his own colleagues. Individual suspensions or team fines will not stop this type of behaviour. Suggestions that it is OK because it happens in most counties simply highlights the need to take drastic action.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 10/06/2018 15:03:27    2109416

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Overreaction...I've seen worse in Kiltane in West Mayo on a Sunday morning. I think the reaction of the crowd makes it seem worse than it is ."
And that's the sort of attitude that allows these incidents to continue to damage the image of the GAA and will at some stage cause a serious injury to someone involved. Clear footage of a fella diving in off his feet into the melee - irresponsible as well as incredibly dangerous.

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 10/06/2018 16:07:15    2109440

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Replying To jimski:  "And that's the sort of attitude that allows these incidents to continue to damage the image of the GAA and will at some stage cause a serious injury to someone involved. Clear footage of a fella diving in off his feet into the melee - irresponsible as well as incredibly dangerous."
There's over reactions on the pitch there's over reactions on the keyboards , let the authorities do there job , for me there's a modicum of sense in most posts

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 10/06/2018 16:59:04    2109462

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Have to laugh at some of the comments from the lower 26 contributors - the big bad Ulster lads at it again. So this never happens in any other province - are you sure? Look at other sports - sometimes stuff spills over a little - it's a physical game - it shouldnt happen but it does - so less of the over dramatisation!

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 10/06/2018 17:04:41    2109465

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "Have to laugh at some of the comments from the lower 26 contributors - the big bad Ulster lads at it again. So this never happens in any other province - are you sure? Look at other sports - sometimes stuff spills over a little - it's a physical game - it shouldnt happen but it does - so less of the over dramatisation!"
Well at least other posters declare their allegiance, regardless of their posting stats.
Anyway, the behaviour highlighted is utterly unacceptable.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 10/06/2018 21:22:51    2109583

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "Have to laugh at some of the comments from the lower 26 contributors - the big bad Ulster lads at it again. So this never happens in any other province - are you sure? Look at other sports - sometimes stuff spills over a little - it's a physical game - it shouldnt happen but it does - so less of the over dramatisation!"
Barely anyone, if indeed anyone, has even mentioned the province involved, as it is completely irrelevant to the issue being discussed - stop projecting.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 10/06/2018 23:57:47    2109665

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Replying To s goldrick:  "I think you missed the pointl. this kind of thing should not happen. it's really boring when it happens and i do believe it's happening more and more. in times past there were rows but usually only involving the 2 combatants. nowadays it seems everyone wants to get involved. If you watch a game let's say from the 70s,80s,90s (apart from the Meath v Mayo final) you don't see these mass brawls. yes there are dirty hits but very rarely do players start pulling and dragging each other.
It seems now every time a player has the ball and a free is awarded against him (usually incorrectly). the opposing team make a massive deal of getting the ball back really quicklly (goodness know why as they then usually play it 30 yards backwards) the player holds on to the ball and a melee starts players are really nasty and petulant to each other. it's incredible to think that both soccer and rugby have more discipline and the players show more respect for each other than GAA footballers . Same stupidity happens after a player kicks a score or a WIDE. it seems the player or his marker has to either goad the opposisition player or shove him in the chest. it is so blomming boring. I tell you we are all fed up with it. I'm sure the game between Armagh and Tyrone was a great one but that is beside the point. The fact that people want to talk about the brawl says it all. don't blame the people, blame the players and mentors for letting themselves and the game down"
You've hit on something I've raised previously as a stupid and unnecessary cause of "melees" in football; players not giving the ball back to the other team for a free, sideline etc. In Aussie Rules, if a player does not give the ball back immediately, the ref moves the free kick 50 metres forward. Not the mickey mouse ten yard penalty in football that doesn't make a blind bit of difference 90% of the time. If the refs could move the ball 50 yards forward in football it would cut out a lot of the acting-the-maggot and subsequent scraps that arise from it.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 11/06/2018 00:14:53    2109672

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Replying To ballydalane:  "You've hit on something I've raised previously as a stupid and unnecessary cause of "melees" in football; players not giving the ball back to the other team for a free, sideline etc. In Aussie Rules, if a player does not give the ball back immediately, the ref moves the free kick 50 metres forward. Not the mickey mouse ten yard penalty in football that doesn't make a blind bit of difference 90% of the time. If the refs could move the ball 50 yards forward in football it would cut out a lot of the acting-the-maggot and subsequent scraps that arise from it."
Might need a big field

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 11/06/2018 19:55:14    2110205

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "Have to laugh at some of the comments from the lower 26 contributors - the big bad Ulster lads at it again. So this never happens in any other province - are you sure? Look at other sports - sometimes stuff spills over a little - it's a physical game - it shouldnt happen but it does - so less of the over dramatisation!"
You do know some of those 'lower 26' you refer to are also in Ulster ...........you are the only one bringing the partionist commentary into this, reality is both teams disgraced themselves and the association, that's the reality....

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 11/06/2018 23:24:46    2110328

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You've got to feel sorry for tyrone though. Other teams keep picking on them like this and starting rows. It's really unfair if you ask me.

ballboy101 (Donegal) - Posts: 204 - 12/06/2018 00:37:15    2110342

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "You do know some of those 'lower 26' you refer to are also in Ulster ...........you are the only one bringing the partionist commentary into this, reality is both teams disgraced themselves and the association, that's the reality...."
Sorry you are totally correct and an error on my side - I did actually mean Lower 23. I'm also being very general in my comments and not all counties in the other provinces spend their time jumping on everything that happens in Ulster so want to be clear there also. But my last point still stands - this behaviour happens everywhere and anywhere and in most contact sports - I'm sure the authorities will deal with it and we all move on - no need for all the horror demonstrated by some posters.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 13/06/2018 09:13:05    2110874

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Paul Kimmage is doing a 24 page special on this incident in this weekends Sunday Independent !

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 669 - 13/06/2018 10:45:38    2110906

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Replying To OpenStand:  "Paul Kimmage is doing a 24 page special on this incident in this weekends Sunday Independent !"
:) LOL

ramor101 (Cavan) - Posts: 289 - 13/06/2018 10:59:43    2110911

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