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Surely the last placed teams in Munster and Leinster should play off to see who goes down? salvador (Roscommon) - Posts: 439 - 04/06/2018 23:43:20 2107507 Link 0 |
I disagree. He just highlights that the product that is the Munster hurling championship is the best product on the market and should be rewarded accordingly. I agree. In the sporting market the current Munster championship format is the market leader in all sports on the island in terms of entertainment and interest. It's brilliant. It just needs a couple of breaks built in to for quality control.
Tadhgmacda (Limerick) - Posts: 99 - 05/06/2018 00:56:46 2107513 Link 0 |
Why is geography more important than quality?
Tadhgmacda (Limerick) - Posts: 99 - 05/06/2018 00:59:24 2107514 Link 0 |
Schedule could be loosened by splitting rounds 2 and 4 over a couple of weekends. This revision would need 7 weeks to play the 5 rounds (all play 4 weeks, off for 3) and could be structured so any team plays a maximum two games in consecutive weeks. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 05/06/2018 12:04:09 2107631 Link 0 |
With everyone in agreement that Munster is dog eat dog while the top 3 are nearly guaranteed in Leinster, it's probably right that Munster has some leeway in terms of relegation. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 05/06/2018 22:49:48 2107885 Link 0 |
On form and recent history, the below example for next year's championship seems balanced: legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 06/06/2018 09:37:26 2107956 Link 0 |
Good in theory but in practice it wouldn't work. Offaly and Westmeath (or whoever) are capable of being competitive in one off games vs Galway, Kilkenny, Wexford, or Dublin but they don't have the depth of panels to play all 4 in rotation. By the time either of them would play their 2nd or 3rd game they'd be in for a hammering, as happened to Offaly this year. And the chorus coming then from all the experts who are bemoaning Offaly's demotion now would be that hammerings are doing them no good and they'd be better off playing at the lower level.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 06/06/2018 11:56:54 2108008 Link 0 |
Are Galway in Leinster for good? Lightly musing should the following be considered; MUNSTER CHAMPIONSHIP; Cork Limerick Clare Tipperary Waterford LEINSTER CHAMPIONSHIP; Kilkenny Wexford Dublin Offaly Westmeath OPEN CHAMPIONSHIP; Galway Antrim Carlow Kerry Laois Meath All-Ireland quarter-finals; Galway v Clare or Dublin (Open Championship winner versus playoff winner of provincial 3rd placed teams) Limerick v Wexford (Provincial runners-up) All-Ireland semi-finals; Cork v quarter-final winner Kilkenny v quarter-final winner I know Galway are more than likely part of Leinster for good but it doesn't mean Leinster counties cannot ask the question should their championship return to being exclusively for Leinster counties? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 06/06/2018 12:45:20 2108032 Link 0 |
Offaly have no fear of taking on Galway, Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin again despite the results from this year. Allowing the McDonagh Cup winner to be the 6th team in one of the provincial championships, allows them to dine at the top table for a year. If it's too much for them, they'll simply return to McDonagh Cup level in the following year. Again, Offaly want to remain part of the Leinster Championship. The McDonagh Cup winner will want to be a part of the Leinster Championship. There is room for both! If Westmeath win the McDonagh Cup and Offaly were to stay in Leinster as well, Westmeath would fancy their chances of finishing above Offaly next year and thus relegating Offaly then. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 06/06/2018 13:14:50 2108044 Link 1 |
Fair play on the effort but the Open Championship section would be a waste of time. I would play the provincial championship on a knockout basis and then 2 groups of 5 for all Ireland. Top 2 teams in each group into semi finals, bottom team in each group in to relegation. Provincial championships could be played off in May. Then you have June, July August to play off All Ireland.
Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 06/06/2018 13:18:30 2108049 Link 0 |
Offaly have displayed over the last 10-15 years that they are consistently way off the pace and they should not be given any special treatment or immunity from relegation. 890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 06/06/2018 13:32:35 2108053 Link 0 |
The Super 8 in football will more than likely expand to a Top 16. That will most likely consist of 8 provincial finalists and 8 qualifiers. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 06/06/2018 14:11:49 2108074 Link 0 |
So would you support 2 groups of 6, abandoning the provincial system on that basis?
Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 06/06/2018 19:30:00 2108174 Link 0 |
When a group stage extends in some form in the future, I would like 3-team groups used to guarantee 'dead rubber' avoidance - 1st group game loser plays again in the 3rd/last game (when 2 advance); or again in the 2nd/middle game (when 1 advances). For your 'Super 16', I would like the 8 that enter Qual Rd 2 to be those that have either won more matches during the Prov Championships (which you articulated some time ago) or the NFL. The 4-team groups are still exposed to 'dead rubber' risk, however - maybe a 'Super 8-TEEN', 6 groups of 3, with top 2 x6 joining 4 Prov Champs leading to a KO 16 instead ? Currently, I'd prefer a 'Super 12' (to the actual 8) - the present 12 'Super' matches spread over 4 groups of 3 - leading to AI QFs (revert to KO). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 07/06/2018 05:54:33 2108263 Link 0 |
The GAA so far have implemented straight forward enough formats. Two groups of 4 replacing the quarter-finals is straightforward. Provincial hurling groups of 5 replacing the knockout format is straightforward as well. I think Cork were in favour of two groups of 4 in hurling. It didn't gain support. I agreed with Cork's suggested format. I just have to accept it was in the minority. Four groups of 4 in football should be straightforward enough to implement. The conundrum will be what to do with the counties missing out on the group stage? The hurling groups have a status. If you are not up to the level like Offaly, you'll be replaced. If football had eight groups of 4, it would fail to set a standard. Two groups of 4 or four groups of 4 sets a standard that is respected and understood. As I suggested last year, the teams missing out on the group stage when expanded to a Top 16 should possibly enter a second championship that guarantees the winner a place in the group stage of the following year. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 07/06/2018 20:38:23 2108506 Link 0 |
I suppose by mirroring the AI SHC model, the AI SFC's 8x4. could be similar with - omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 07/06/2018 21:35:12 2108517 Link 0 |
For tradition, I like retention of the Prov KOs - but want a fair AI Sam Cup with interesting group pairings, however, we get there. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 07/06/2018 22:18:13 2108532 Link 0 |
The last 8 in Ulster and Leinster could be run as two groups of 4 in each province. Munster and Connaught could have one group of 4 each at their respective final 4 stage. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 07/06/2018 22:38:59 2108538 Link 0 |
That works. To freshen up the competition and have a Blockbuster launch, I would like to see the best teams drawn into 'Inter-Prov' groups (variety with Provs) - imagine - Dub, Ker, Mayo, Mona drawn together? Say, best 12 drawn to 3x4 (or 4x3) strong groups; worst 8 to 2x4 weak groups and a middle 12 in 3x4 (or 4x3). A few wild cards to reduce dead rubbers in any 4-team groups. For AI KO, following 4x3, 4x3 and 2x4, I will leave it open as to what quantities emerge from the '3 blocks' to join 4 Prov KO Champs. Do the same for hurling - solely, 5v5 'Inter-Prov' group pairings, with the 'KO Intra-Provs' producing the 2 traditional Champs as well. As you've said, this is endless - but I would like a good solution in the 'real' world. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 08/06/2018 00:13:11 2108559 Link 0 |
Would agree if you have a tiered championship you have to have teams going up and teams going down. It makes a mockery of it otherwise. Offaly have been poor for a long time and don't deserve a free pass just because of what the did 20 years ago. The winners of this years joe mcdonagh cup could make the same argument next year as offaly. But the won't be a big name in hurling so nobody will care about them.
ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 08/06/2018 07:42:24 2108569 Link 0 |