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Replying To TheUsername: "Dead and buried? I though the exact opposite, it's finally getting competitive Westmeath, Meath and Kildare all beaten in shock results, Does this not hint thats becoming a competitive championship again. I accept Dublin will win it but they would also be dominating Ulster, Connacht and Munster if they were playing there. So that arguments pretty moot. I'm not sure people are loosening interest to be honest, exciting times in Carlow, Longford and Westmeath. There was 60.000 + at the Leinster final last year, no other provenance could get close to that. No team outside of Leinster has won an All Ireland since 2014. I think it's quite funny, how people like to put the foot into Leinster football, to be honest it's a bit glasshouses and stones." Week no stadium outside of Dublin (read Croke Park) can accommodate more than 54k, so your argument on attendance as a marker irrelevant. greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 28/05/2018 21:24:28 2105054 Link
Replying To MuckrossHead: "Anyone who heard the Carlow commentators losing is completely when they scored theis second goal would say an emphatic "No" to the question being posed here. There is more to football than winning finals. Every player, every team marks success in their own way & for the footballers of both Carlow & Longford, life was good this morning." 110% agree this was a great weekend for the great gaa people of longford and Carlow. They have shown the GAA can still create magic moments. I just wish it wasnt versus my beloved Meath. But I dont think anyone in Meath would begrudge Longford their day to shine. Its a testament to hard work, grit and never giving up by Longford and Carlow and they have shown the way for the rest in leinster. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 28/05/2018 21:29:58 2105057 Link
The reason I mentioned Ulster is Galway and Carlow have brought in Ulster coachs sucessfully. And the modern style of play and tactics originated in Ulster. Some of the best players teams coachs managers tactics have come from Ulster in last 25 years. We need to know how to break down Ulster teams . We have failed badly v blanket defences. There has been before between Down and Meath coachs and trainers like Joe lennon being involved in Down and Meath football. But Donie Buckley or Sugrue from kerry would be just as good. But would Buckley and McEntee leaves Mayo for Meath. T McEntee probaly has his eye on the Armagh job if McGeeney goes. We might have to look at coachs not involved currently with other teams. From anywhere it doesnt matter they are from. Mayo have kerry and Armagh coachs. Galway have a Derry coach. Donegal had Fermanagh coach under McGuiness. And Kilkenny hurlers have had a laois footballer coach for many years. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 413 - 28/05/2018 21:13:06 ______________________________ I don't think you understand my question, Does the Meath job go up for tender next year to the manager with the best coaching ticket ? Because it should if the ideology is built around the idea of bringing in a backroom team that can make a difference to Meath football ...a new backroom team needs two years to implement their game plan on a team....Has Andy Got another two years ? who would want to join Andy backroom team because they might be thinking their are joining a team thats one result away from the sack, that's the reality of the current situation ! Dont bamboozle me again Furlong :) WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 875 - 28/05/2018 21:46:02 2105067 Link
Since the 2012 championship, only 1 Leinster team has managed to get to the Quarter-Finals (bar Dublin). This was Kildare in 2015. They lost by 27 points to Kerry. In the same time frame, 6 different Ulster teams have made it (Donegal, Tyrone, Monaghan, Cavan, Fermanagh and Armagh), 4 different Munster teams have made it (Kerry, Cork, Tipperary and Clare) and 3 different Connaught teams (Mayo, Galway and Roscommon). This is despite Leinster having more counties than any other province. As for the argument that this is because of Dublin's dominance in the province recently, just look at Tipperary and Clare reaching the Quarter Final stage from Munster, a province won by Kerry each year since 2012. This is clear evidence of Leinster under-performance in the All-Ireland series. BoylerForTaoiseach (Mayo) - Posts: 2 - 28/05/2018 21:56:49 2105074 Link
Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "The reason I mentioned Ulster is Galway and Carlow have brought in Ulster coachs sucessfully. And the modern style of play and tactics originated in Ulster. Some of the best players teams coachs managers tactics have come from Ulster in last 25 years. We need to know how to break down Ulster teams . We have failed badly v blanket defences. There has been before between Down and Meath coachs and trainers like Joe lennon being involved in Down and Meath football. But Donie Buckley or Sugrue from kerry would be just as good. But would Buckley and McEntee leaves Mayo for Meath. T McEntee probaly has his eye on the Armagh job if McGeeney goes. We might have to look at coachs not involved currently with other teams. From anywhere it doesnt matter they are from. Mayo have kerry and Armagh coachs. Galway have a Derry coach. Donegal had Fermanagh coach under McGuiness. And Kilkenny hurlers have had a laois footballer coach for many years. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 413 - 28/05/2018 21:13:06 ______________________________ I don't think you understand my question, Does the Meath job go up for tender next year to the manager with the best coaching ticket ? Because it should if the ideology is built around the idea of bringing in a backroom team that can make a difference to Meath football ...a new backroom team needs two years to implement their game plan on a team....Has Andy Got another two years ? who would want to join Andy backroom team because they might be thinking their are joining a team thats one result away from the sack, that's the reality of the current situation ! Dont bamboozle me again Furlong :)" Actually Im bamboozled. So Im just going to say this and hope it answers the question. Give McEntee two more years but he needs to bring in another coach to help with tactics, help with breaking down blanket defences and how to set us up with a modern style effective defensive system. I hope that makes sense. because Im confused now. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 28/05/2018 22:12:21 2105084 Link
Replying To Furlong1949: "Actually Im bamboozled. So Im just going to say this and hope it answers the question. Give McEntee two more years but he needs to bring in another coach to help with tactics, help with breaking down blanket defences and how to set us up with a modern style effective defensive system. I hope that makes sense. because Im confused now." Of course your confused :) Look if Andy beats Tyrone i would give the man 3 years :) WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 875 - 29/05/2018 00:46:20 2105124 Link
I now know from reading some of the posts on this thread that I SHOULD have titled the topic "IS GAELIC FOOTBALL DEAD AND BURIED?". In ALL my years I have NEVER seen such disinterest and indifference across the island towards the football Championship as now in 2018. Well done Croke Park, your obsession with pleasing Dublin is killing the game across Ireland. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9697 - 29/05/2018 02:38:45 2105134 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "I now know from reading some of the posts on this thread that I SHOULD have titled the topic "IS GAELIC FOOTBALL DEAD AND BURIED?". In ALL my years I have NEVER seen such disinterest and indifference across the island towards the football Championship as now in 2018. Well done Croke Park, your obsession with pleasing Dublin is killing the game across Ireland." In fairness something is always supposedly killing Gaelic Football interest. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 29/05/2018 08:02:41 2105146 Link
In fairness, ask Longford and Carlow fans if Leinster football is dead, I'm not sure if they'd feel the same way. Without a doubt though, Dublin have absolutely dominated Leinster for over 10 years now and unless the rest of us get our act together, the Leinster championship could be gone (as in if a new championship format is introduced in the next few years) before we get a chance to challenge again. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 29/05/2018 09:00:36 2105153 Link
No it isn't, laois are unbeaten this year 10 games and counting between league and championship Carlow have won 8 between league and championship only just losing out to laois twice, Longford were very close to been promoted and have a great championship win under their belts, I saw Meath in the O'Byrne cup and they struggled badly to get over what was pretty much carlows second string, they looked poorly set up and it was hard to see them having a good year based on what I saw, I saw Kildare in a couple of their league games and while they came close in a few games they seem to be only interested in getting the ball to Flynn and he seems to be only interested in his own game, in the league game against Dublin he took on several shots instead of passing to a better placed team mate. Now don't get me wrong he is a fine footballer and most counties would love to have him but a coach should be getting that side of his game sorted. I think many leinster counties have not embraced the modern game either and this is another factor in the decline of a cpl of the traditional counties, it's not about defensive systems it's about been innovative and creative and finding what works, rather than sticking to some dogma that it can only be done a certain way. Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1592 - 29/05/2018 09:28:05 2105165 Link
Replying To realdub: "Absolutely, where can I hear that?" It was played on Newstalk yesterday morning, youtube maybe? MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 29/05/2018 10:50:57 2105202 Link
Replying To MuckrossHead: "It was played on Newstalk yesterday morning, youtube maybe?" Yeh I got it thanks, great stuff :D realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8586 - 29/05/2018 11:45:22 2105224 Link
Replying To realdub: "Yeh I got it thanks, great stuff :D" "Horse" Lawlor, some man for one man! MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 29/05/2018 12:24:04 2105231 Link
It's with O'Leary in the grave bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 29/05/2018 12:49:14 2105246 Link
Things can always be turned around. Kildare Meath and Laois are all guilty of allowing the gap to open with Dublin. Dublin made no secret of the development plan but the other big counties failed to react with sufficient urgency. You have to question the level of coaching in these counties at underage and the resources being given to theses coaches. It's a long way back for Meath, Kildare and Laois but it is possible. Jonnycee (Longford) - Posts: 185 - 30/05/2018 11:08:46 2105529 Link
Replying To Jonnycee: "Things can always be turned around. Kildare Meath and Laois are all guilty of allowing the gap to open with Dublin. Dublin made no secret of the development plan but the other big counties failed to react with sufficient urgency. You have to question the level of coaching in these counties at underage and the resources being given to theses coaches. It's a long way back for Meath, Kildare and Laois but it is possible." If Dublin have multiples of your resources available to them how are you supposed to keep pace with for a sustainable period of time? Eventually the gap will open up and let's face it, they have opened a gap on most counties inside and outside Leinster. If it were as simplistic as you say Monaghan and Tyrone would have given Dublin a game last year but they didn't. They have won won all the trophies the went for nationally for the last few years barring the 2017 league so they are everybody's problem, not just Kildare, Meath or Laois's. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 30/05/2018 11:26:39 2105538 Link
Replying To Htaem: "In fairness, ask Longford and Carlow fans if Leinster football is dead, I'm not sure if they'd feel the same way. Without a doubt though, Dublin have absolutely dominated Leinster for over 10 years now and unless the rest of us get our act together, the Leinster championship could be gone (as in if a new championship format is introduced in the next few years) before we get a chance to challenge again." I understand what you are saying and in a way I agree, But it kind of irritates me that Leinster gets the brunt of it when it comes to the provincial championships being dead. Kerry and Cork have won 116 out of 129 Munster senior football championships in the associations history. Kerry will be going for their 80th. Cork, a traditional strong dual GAA county with a massive population only have 37, less than half of their rivals Kerry and nobody is starting threads about Munster football. The whole provincial thing has gone stale. If youre going to get shot of one you may aswell get shot of all them. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 30/05/2018 16:25:10 2105668 Link
Both the GAA and AIG sponsorship have created an amateur monster that is the Dublin footballers. They have such an advantage over all other teams in Leinster financially and most games in headquarters. Rugby and soccer will reap the rewards eventually which is frustrating. ruff1106 (Kildare) - Posts: 175 - 30/05/2018 21:48:16 2105764 Link
Another convincing win for Meath minors with 4-14 on the board. Dublin were made to work hard by Offaly. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 30/05/2018 22:19:39 2105773 Link
Replying To waynoI: "I understand what you are saying and in a way I agree, But it kind of irritates me that Leinster gets the brunt of it when it comes to the provincial championships being dead. Kerry and Cork have won 116 out of 129 Munster senior football championships in the associations history. Kerry will be going for their 80th. Cork, a traditional strong dual GAA county with a massive population only have 37, less than half of their rivals Kerry and nobody is starting threads about Munster football. The whole provincial thing has gone stale. If youre going to get shot of one you may aswell get shot of all them." Oh absolutely, I'm not suggesting to get rid of one province and retain the others, if one goes they all go, no half measures. As for Leinster getting the brunt of the criticism, I think you make a fair point, Kerry have dominated Munster, Dublin have dominated Leinster, Cavan's Ulster hual won't be toppled for decades to come if ever (although they fell asleep in the 60s and never really woke up) and Galway & Mayo have largely dominated the west. All the provinces go through competitive spells, Leinster's no different, it's just in a prolonged period of complete Dublin domination at present. But I personally think the provincials have had their day when it comes to being part of the championship. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 30/05/2018 23:24:58 2105788 Link