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Am I right to say there are only 3 lives football games on RTE prior to the provincial finals this summer?
I wouldn't for a second argue that the early rounds of the football can match the hurling, it can't, but only 3 games from the entire provincial series prior to finals....??
Seem a bit paltry?

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 04/05/2018 14:50:41    2096660

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Plenty of early football games can match the hurling. Yes, there are some excellent hurling games, but if like myself, you don't particularly care until the provincial finals on wards, this is an absolute shambles of a schedule. How could they possibly think an early round group game where 3 teams out of 5 eventually qualify should be shown ahead of Tyrone v Monaghan?

petejoeduff (Donegal) - Posts: 329 - 04/05/2018 15:03:52    2096663

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Am I right to say there are only 3 lives football games on RTE prior to the provincial finals this summer?
I wouldn't for a second argue that the early rounds of the football can match the hurling, it can't, but only 3 games from the entire provincial series prior to finals....??
Seem a bit paltry?"
It's ridiculous it means in effect half the counties in the Championship will not be featured in any live game.
What was wrong with letting people see a Longford v Carlow or a Derry v Down fixture of a Sunday - aren't these counties as much part of the Championship as the Kerry's, Dublin's etc. It's not all about winning the Canister.
I was randomly at the Westmeath v Meath game in 2015 and the excitement and scenes after were great and I'm sure it was great TV. Who cares that neither side would be in the sake-up that August?!!
No Tipp v Cork either in the Munster semi-final which could be an integrating battle this year.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 04/05/2018 15:08:40    2096665

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Open to correction but I think BBC NI have right to Ulster's games so might explain why RTE not showing more from there.

leftandwide (Meath) - Posts: 91 - 04/05/2018 15:20:03    2096670

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Replying To petejoeduff:  "Plenty of early football games can match the hurling. Yes, there are some excellent hurling games, but if like myself, you don't particularly care until the provincial finals on wards, this is an absolute shambles of a schedule. How could they possibly think an early round group game where 3 teams out of 5 eventually qualify should be shown ahead of Tyrone v Monaghan?"
It's to do with viewership predictions. Say Cork v Limerick in Hurling. 2 counties with about 800,000 people. That's huge tv viewership for RTE. Tyrone v Monaghan whilst being a great prospect just wouldn't pull the same amount of viewers. I think that's partly the reason.

PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 04/05/2018 15:20:05    2096671

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Replying To leftandwide:  "Open to correction but I think BBC NI have right to Ulster's games so might explain why RTE not showing more from there."
Nope, RTE wont allow them to show any game not also shown by RTE

petejoeduff (Donegal) - Posts: 329 - 04/05/2018 15:28:07    2096673

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'Meanwhile BBC Northern Ireland have announced they will cover all eight games in the Ulster senior football championship but only the semi-final tie on 3 June and the final on 24 June will be live on television.

The games between Fermanagh against Armagh and the meeting of Down and Antrim will be covered on the BBC iPlayer while the other four matches will be have deferred coverage on BBC Two Northern Ireland.'


From
http://www.the42.ie/gaa-championship-coverage-2018-3994704-May2018/?utm_source=shortlink

TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 194 - 04/05/2018 15:50:54    2096678

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This is all part of a long term aim from rte and in association with the heads at croke park that only a top handful of counties and another handful of media favourites are going to be shown and the other 22 counties can jump of a cliff as far as the say are concerned. The are bringing there non existent coverage of the league outside the top half of division 1 to the championship and letting there pundits talking rubbish about what teams have done when it is clear the haven't seen the teams play or don't have a clue about then.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 04/05/2018 16:39:34    2096691

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This is all part of a long term aim from rte and in association with the heads at croke park that only a top handful of counties and another handful of media favourites are going to be shown...
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1059 - 04/05/2018 16:39:34 2096691


Really? Where is your evidence for this? Or is just a figment of your imagination?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2481 - 04/05/2018 17:09:27    2096695

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I agree 100% with ROS1. I contacted the RTE Player support last July. They were less than informative or helpful. As suggested by them I also contacted the Sunday Game e-mail they gave me. No reply and no reply agai when might I get a reply. I only wish I could have an option on where some of my licence fee should go rather than it all go to Donnybrook.

Date: Thursday, July 13, 2017
Subject: GAA coverage
To: Player Feedback

Hi,

I noted when Dee Forbes was appointed Director General that one of her commitments was to improve the RTE Player. GAA supporters use the player frequently to live stream games and watch back the Sunday Game and other matches. However there is little or no coverage of games for Division 3 and 4 counties, a 2 minute clip with a few scores and a word for managers is all that half of all counties can view. Surely if there are cameras at games more footage is available to put on the Player in a second highlights show or separate portions of games. It might be possible to include local redbook style advertising for alternative shows to the Sunday Game? Most Division 3 and 4 counties are now out so are there plans for change in 2018?

Currently RTE just seem to cater for mostly Division 1 supporters and with next years Super 8 it will disenfranchise a large amount of GAA supporters unless it has plans to cater to supporters from so-called weaker counties.

Regards,



Player Feedback
7/14/17


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Hi ,

Thank you for getting in touch with us and sharing your feedback on RTÉ's online coverage of GAA. We will share your feedback with the production team behind The Sunday Game and let them know of the appetite for more GAA coverage.

Our current contract with the GAA restricts us to action from the RTÉ television broadcasts of The Sunday Game Live and The Sunday Game. With regard to the extended coverage of counties from Division 3 and 4, in the past few weeks, we have worked with the RTÉ Sport team to make more manager interviews available on-demand. This has included Westmeath's Tom Cribben (Division 3), and Turlough O'Brien of Carlow (Division 4).

You may also be interested in the recent documentary series GAA Nua - https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/gaa-nua-extras-30004738/ - presented by Dara Ó Cinnéide, which looks at the bigger impact of GAA in Ireland and the advances in science and technology.

We're currently in the process of completely redeveloping RTÉ Player. Hearing real-life stories from our audience are essential to putting together this new service and so we appreciate hearing from you.

Best wishes,


RTÉ Player Team



Hi ,

I watched GAA Nua. It was quite good but most GAA supporters are well aware of the use of technology in the game. I have zero faith in you sharing my comments with the Sunday Game. I previously inquired why GAA archive games could not be shown on the Player last year and I was informed that it might be an option when the season started again?!!!!

I think your reply just confirms RTE's lack of interest in supporters from half the counties in Ireland. What good is a couple of minutes of play and some manager's soundbites on the Sunday Game when airtime showing highlights of matches already shown live that weekend clearly takes priority. Clearly with the Super 8 next year this situation will again apply for RTE. A clearly defined marketing audience bringing potential advertising revenue for RTE being ignored.

As a licence payer I think it is an insult that RTE are looking for an increase in the licence fee. From talking to other GAA supporters they are very unhappy with lack of coverage for so-called weaker counties. I hope another broadcaster / YouTube channel could fill this gap as RTE clearly are not interested in doing that.

Regards,





Player Feedback
7/20/17


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Hi ,

We're sorry to hear that you didn't feel like your email wasn't receiving enough attention from our team. As mentioned in our first email, feedback from audiences is invaluable to us, and we are taking your comments on board and sharing it with the right people.

We meet the GAA team regularly and audience feedback is part of our weekly and monthly reviews. They have their own email address that may be useful to you so you could contact them directly if you like, or we could send them on your comments - [email protected]

The GAA announced media rights arrangements for 2017-2022 in December 2016. RTÉ retained access to 31 senior championship games each year. RTÉ Player offers live streaming and catch-up for all RTÉ One and RTÉ2 broadcasts as well as bite-size post-match interviews and analysis.

As your complaint relates to the leagues and counties featured, you may wish to log your dissatisfaction with RTÉ's central complaints team.

More information available here http://www.rte.ie/about/en/information-and-feedback/complaints/2012/0222/291660-complaints-procedure/

Best Wishes,

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7368 - 04/05/2018 17:53:49    2096704

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Replying To petejoeduff:  "Plenty of early football games can match the hurling. Yes, there are some excellent hurling games, but if like myself, you don't particularly care until the provincial finals on wards, this is an absolute shambles of a schedule. How could they possibly think an early round group game where 3 teams out of 5 eventually qualify should be shown ahead of Tyrone v Monaghan?"
Think it's something like 68 football games vs 29 hurling games in the championship. There's your answer. Personally Tyrone vs Monaghan would have limited appeal for me.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1907 - 05/05/2018 04:12:22    2096764

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "This is all part of a long term aim from rte and in association with the heads at croke park that only a top handful of counties and another handful of media favourites are going to be shown...
ROS1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1059 - 04/05/2018 16:39:34 2096691


Really? Where is your evidence for this? Or is just a figment of your imagination?"
Look at the coverage the leagues and championship over the last few years. Plenty of evidence there or listen to the build up to either competition or listen to the stated aim of the gaa president re secondary competitions etc.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 05/05/2018 08:13:02    2096768

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Replying To petejoeduff:  "Plenty of early football games can match the hurling. Yes, there are some excellent hurling games, but if like myself, you don't particularly care until the provincial finals on wards, this is an absolute shambles of a schedule. How could they possibly think an early round group game where 3 teams out of 5 eventually qualify should be shown ahead of Tyrone v Monaghan?"
conversely i would argue that on june 10 -- Showing 2 munster shc games limk v waterford and tipp v clare would be better than the scheduled one game plus dubling v longford/meath

for me i think the hurling games would be the better more attractive fixture to show (and this is coming from somebody who regularly goes to limerick hurling and football games league and championship)

Would it be an option for rte to show a game a 6pm (delayed) in addition to 2pm and 4pm fixtures.

i really think with the extra games we really need either
rte to show the game on monday like the 90s or
a highlights show on tg4 - but either show doing matches not covered/or not well covered the previous night

Ive been at limerick football games the last few decades the lads bursting a gut/trainign hard to win a game - and they only get a 2 minute report on sunday game

youngmunstersman (Limerick) - Posts: 80 - 05/05/2018 10:07:30    2096775

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Just saw the tv coverage there not sure what is the point of anyone in the border counties paying a licence fee absolute disgrace

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1803 - 05/05/2018 10:28:35    2096779

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Replying To youngmunstersman:  "conversely i would argue that on june 10 -- Showing 2 munster shc games limk v waterford and tipp v clare would be better than the scheduled one game plus dubling v longford/meath

for me i think the hurling games would be the better more attractive fixture to show (and this is coming from somebody who regularly goes to limerick hurling and football games league and championship)

Would it be an option for rte to show a game a 6pm (delayed) in addition to 2pm and 4pm fixtures.

i really think with the extra games we really need either
rte to show the game on monday like the 90s or
a highlights show on tg4 - but either show doing matches not covered/or not well covered the previous night

Ive been at limerick football games the last few decades the lads bursting a gut/trainign hard to win a game - and they only get a 2 minute report on sunday game"
Yes look at the deal bbc ni have where the are showing less live games but at least showing them in full later in the evening. Although there use to be maybe 7 games shown live on both rte/bbc ni now that is down to 2. It a pity rte or tg4 couldn't do the same for the other peovinces/hurling/football qualifiers. I remember when the sky deal first happened there was talk of tg4 showing there games deferred but never happened.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 05/05/2018 12:10:08    2096789

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Think it's something like 68 football games vs 29 hurling games in the championship. There's your answer. Personally Tyrone vs Monaghan would have limited appeal for me."
There are 10 teams taking part of the senior hurling championship, and 32 in the football championship. If RTE were covering Christy Ring/ Lori Meagher etc, you'd have a point

petejoeduff (Donegal) - Posts: 329 - 05/05/2018 15:41:55    2096809

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I was shocked to see that the Monaghan v Tyrone game is not being shown live, surely one of the standout games of the early rounds. Even the Donegal v Cavan game has the potential to be a good game, should be close anyhow. I read somewhere that there are the same amount of football games being shown live this year when compared to last but obviously RTE have decided to go for the Super 8 games rather than the provincial games.

As for BBC not being allowed to show a game live unless RTE are showing it makes absolutely no sense, wonder what genius came up with that idea. Its probably all part of the bigger plan to phase out the provincial championships in favour of an expanded Super 8s.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 05/05/2018 18:57:59    2096830

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As for BBC not being allowed to show a game live unless RTE are showing it makes absolutely no sense, wonder what genius came up with that idea. Its probably all part of the bigger plan to phase out the provincial championships in favour of an expanded Super 8s.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1089 - 05/05/2018 18:57:59
Its most likely so both dont need to send a camera crew to game and they just use same OB unit so saves costs for both to have just one covering a game

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 05/05/2018 21:13:12    2096854

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For me in provincial, its hard to predict what some of the games coming up will be but these are the potential games id have interest in seeing

Connacht:
Mayo v Galway, great way to start the championship
the final, Looks on paper like it could be the best and most even of the lot

Munster:
Tipp v Cork, nothing between these two teams in recent years, should be a really good game
Kerry v Clare, intriguing match this, kerry in transition and clare are a good sticky team
the final, kerry coming to thurles or puc on a saturday night, hopefully better than last few years

leinster:
Meath v longford, small interest in this one, looks like a good contest if not one that many will have interest in
Kildare v westmeath, stongly fancy kildare dublin final but this could be a good game
Dublin v meath/longford, no interest in this as a contest, easy dublin win but even at that would still watch it
the final, Think kildare will give dublin a good rattle and could be decent but still lose by 6/7 which is just where dublin are at

Ulster:
Donegal v Cavan, one team going up to division 1, one coming down to 2, very interesting one
Tyrone v Monaghan, not much to say, should be a cracker, should be on tv
Armagh v Tyrone/monaghan, small interest in this, nothing major
The final, if its 2 of the big 3 up there should be good, if not its worth a watch because someone new is in it

Matches not on tv:
Tyrone v Monaghan
Donegal v Cavan
Tipp v Cork

these are the main ones from what i think are the good provincial games this year that arent on tv id like to have, the rest id be happy to see but wont lose any sleep over missing them

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 06/05/2018 09:24:10    2096875

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It just seems to be unfortunate that the early Ulster games are up against very attractive fixtures in the other codes and provinces this year; RTE Sport have money problems and have to prioritise in the event of a clash.

Hard to believe the scant resources that BBC NI allocates to GAA though, given that gaelic games a must be one of the most popular sporting persuits up there. Sounds like a campaign to get them to up their game is needed.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 06/05/2018 09:32:31    2096877

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