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Read my post by the way. There wouldn't only be 5 elite leagues. There'd be levels below them. Relegation and promotion to move between layers. It allows clubs to break out from the county board system which is absolutely failing them by not providing them with fixtures. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 22/04/2018 15:03:31 2094316 Link 0 |
How is plenty of clubs folding a good thing ? I'd really like to know. In no way what so ever do you get and understand what the GAA is all about I think you should stick to watching the premier league Galwayjoe86 (Galway) - Posts: 258 - 22/04/2018 15:18:26 2094320 Link 5 |
Well I've played the game since I was 6 years old. Played for 2 clubs in 2 separate counties and go to many more club fixtures every year as fan of those 2 clubs and as a neutral in other counties. The reason I think clubs folding can be a good thin because in their place can be a bigger better club. That's able to cater for more players, compete at a higher level. Offer more for their members. I wrote the history of my own club. There were 3 separate attempts to get Gaelic games going in the area. The club that is there now is thriving. I think that's much better than clubs limping on. The history of the association is full of clubs coming and going being replaced by stronger clubs. So don't patronise me about not understanding the GAA. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 22/04/2018 15:42:19 2094324 Link 1 |
Your ideas have lots of merit but it comes down to the will to implement change and the money to finance the change. Neither is there. I like hurling being amature ..i don't particularly care if it goes back a step or two in standard if participation and the fun side of things remain. There isn't much fun in 5 year plans like Tyrone churn out. It's more corporate rubbish. PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 22/04/2018 17:01:30 2094337 Link 0 |
If you think seriously about professionalism (or Semi Pro), you need to think in terms of Markets. What size market is needed to sustain a team. Ideally the market has some sense of history to make people feel part of it. That is why Rugby was so lucky with the four provinces. Brand new clubs with 120 years of history. shaneShankill (Dublin) - Posts: 42 - 23/04/2018 15:35:48 2094553 Link 0 |
I'd just like to point out I don't propose a model such as this to enable professionalism. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 23/04/2018 16:45:07 2094567 Link 0 |
The GAA already has a good product and I see no reason to reinvent the whole thing. What's needed is a full restructuring of the inter county game and most likely a tiered championship where teams play at their own level. There are too many mismatches early in the championship. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 23/04/2018 16:45:07 2094568 Link 1 |
Once again I would like to point out that I don't espouse professional setups either. My message seems to be getting confused with the post from Pantani where he wants a professional franchised club league that sits above the existing club league. I want something different. I want simply to break free from the county based organisation of the club game. Any large new clubs would grow out of existing clubs over time. There would be more free movement of players because you will have less stigma around transferring clubs because you won't be moving from local rivals anymore. You'd be moving from one team to another who are operating at a different competitive plain. It happens already within counties, where guys leave Junior clubs to go play senior level. It happens also with the likes of Tomás O Se moving from An Gaeltacht to Nemo. The idea is about removing the barriers that allow clubs to grow. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 24/04/2018 05:29:53 2094654 Link 0 |
An Gaeltacht were intermediate when Tomás Ó Sé transferred to Nemo. An Gaeltacht are now a senior club again, and were in an all Ireland club in 2003/4. Not a great example to use LooseCannon (Offaly) - Posts: 86 - 24/04/2018 11:00:16 2094699 Link 0 |
I think the Kerry club system is better than free movement. Small Junior and IM clubs play together in the Senior Championship to form divisional sides, I.e. South Kerry, West Kerry etc. This gives the best players from these clubs the chance of winning senior medals and maintains their ties to their home club. These divisional sides have often been successful in cycles. That's a template that could be used anywhere. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 24/04/2018 11:42:04 2094714 Link 2 |
You explained it fine. It's just idiotic.
FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 564 - 25/04/2018 11:05:46 2094915 Link 3 |
Hmmm, interesting but missing the actual point of what makes the GAA, well the GAA......... bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 25/04/2018 11:27:11 2094926 Link 3 |
I guess we have different ideas on what's idiotic. I think it's idiotic that the top level of the sport is based on geographical regions where the largest entity has a population that's 20% of the whole country. I think it's idiotic that simultaneously there are problems with player burnout and yet there's a huge dropout rate of players because of a lack of games. That's a direct result of having the county system dominant. I think it's idiotic to be wed to systems that made sense in the early days of the association when the country was poorer and more rural. For the increasingly urban Ireland I don't think the current structures are fit for purpose. I can point to a lot of evidence and issues that the association to back that assertion up. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 25/04/2018 16:55:15 2094990 Link 0 |
I say future in my post because I'd see this as a gradual process. Not that many from Rossa would move to St Johns now. Someone moving into Belfast though would bear in mind the level of competition a club plays at when deciding their allegiance. The size of the clubs you'd be talking about would be the likes of St Vincent's, Ballymun Kickhams, Kilmacud Crokes. With the size of Dublin these clubs can grow to large sizes naturally. The free movement of players isn't the key thing here. It's the county based model of club competitions. Just by breaking out of that clubs will grow bigger naturally over time. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 25/04/2018 17:05:38 2094993 Link 0 |
There will need to be a change. Clubs used to represent counties in the early days for All Irelands. It's not just Dublins population that makes the system unfair. Corks population is bigger than the whole of Connachts. PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 26/04/2018 12:48:22 2095070 Link 0 |
Under your rules the smaller club will never be allowed grow,no matter how much that club works on their underage,all the best players will leave for the super club,I really can't understand where your coming from,it would destroy the gaa,as bad as things are now,we might as well give up under your suggestions.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 779 - 26/04/2018 18:08:50 2095145 Link 3 |
What's wrong with a club being small. There would still be promotion and relegation between levels. The grassroots and underage coaching survives in every other sport why would it not do so in GAA. In other sports it's the love of the sport and giving something back that drives that. I'd be surprised if that disappeared. Where I am coming from is that other sports are better structured than ours. You are all approaching this from a what about the club perspective. What about the player with talent born in Leitrim or Carlow who could be playing at the highest level week in week out. What about the guys born in Louth, Wicklow or Antrim, those talented guys aren't going to play GAA at all they will play soccer. What about if they could move to a club more in line with their talents. Where they can play at the highest level regardless of where they are born. What about the guy who plays for a strong club and never is able to quite make it as a regular for his own team and is doomed to play reserve football for years despite being capable of starting for a different team that matches his level better. Clubs should serve people, not the other way around. Let people choose who they play for, why should people be forced to play for a club or a county just because of where they are born. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 26/04/2018 19:37:20 2095155 Link 1 |
Clubs should serve people, not the other way around. bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 30/04/2018 10:14:37 2095659 Link 0 |
The club is the cornerstone of the GAA and if we try harder to lose that, then we are in decline. All we need is a master plan where there is a divide between club and county where the club has periods were all players are assessable. Presently the national league stops in March and then you have a ridiculous situation where some counties start inter county championship in the first week in May and other counties do not start until the last week in June. Master Plan should have dates in all counties browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 30/04/2018 13:00:37 2095713 Link 1 |
Once again a Makey uppy team is not part of my plans. It's about breaking free of county run competition structures. In doing so it'll break a natural barrier to growth that clubs have. There will be big clubs. I'd be happy enough for there to also be free movement of players. Players do not have to move. They will only move if their existing clubs if the club isn't meeting their needs. I can't see why that is a bad thing. The Antrim situation is a reason why I'm in favour of something like this. GAA does not exist in a vacuum. There's rugby and soccer to compete with. This is particularly pertinent in Antrim. I can see why talented sporting individuals in Antrim don't play GAA. There isn't really an avenue for a player to excel in GAA in Antrim in the same way as there is in Dublin or Kerry. If there was an Antrim club that had grown to play in the National club league you'd have something better for youngsters to aspire to. I look at the increased funding in Antrim and I worry that it's not going to work because at the minute we don't have a strong enough presence at the elite level for children to aspire to. Players and volunteers are the lifeblood of the association. Players in particular are walking away from the game after juvenile level in numbers that the other sports don't see. I think the structures we have contribute to that. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 30/04/2018 13:11:10 2095718 Link 0 |