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I agree with the 65's as a competition.
It is different, yes it lacks the drama of a penalty shoot out but why is every man and his dog being asked about their opinion on it now - Michael Duignan on Morning Ireland asked about it. Where was he when the decision was made, or where was his objection to it then?
Maybe it needs to be a case of either put up or shut up and I think that constant questioning of pundits who seem to do little else other than talk, while hurling goes to pot in some of their counties, needs to stop. Either go on the HDC committee, etc and air your view or actually INTRODUCE the changes yourself, or shut up.
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Is there anything in the GAA at the minute more bizarre than the whinging about the pre-season competitions like the Walsh and McKenna cups? No manager is going to go into a league campaign without having a few challenge games played and these pre-season competitions do that job the finest. A good few players are tried out in these games and never play county again, I'm sure they are happier to play in front of a few thousand in a McKenna than nobody at a challenge match. I think the gate receipts from these used to go to some charity or welfare group, not sure if that is still the case but it should be.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 23/03/2018 15:49:17
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Replying To Soma: "Is there anything in the GAA at the minute more bizarre than the whinging about the pre-season competitions like the Walsh and McKenna cups? No manager is going to go into a league campaign without having a few challenge games played and these pre-season competitions do that job the finest. A good few players are tried out in these games and never play county again, I'm sure they are happier to play in front of a few thousand in a McKenna than nobody at a challenge match. I think the gate receipts from these used to go to some charity or welfare group, not sure if that is still the case but it should be." Correct & right. The proceeds go to the Player Injury Fund. I think the answer may be to run the league & championship concurrently.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 23/03/2018 16:04:33
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I don't think this problem is limited to the GAA, you only have to read Ewan MacKenna's latest on the back of Irelands Grand Slam win. He picks out a number of 'mitigating factors:
- English and French teams have a much harder slog of a season so they're automatically at a disadvantage
- commercialism from Vodafone is over the top and made this victory out to be much more than it actually is
- rugby is a limited sport so winning a tournament where only a small number of that limited number is involved makes it even less of a 'great' victory
Can't people just enjoy things anymore?
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 23/03/2018 16:18:20
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Replying To Pinkie: "I agree with the 65's as a competition.
It is different, yes it lacks the drama of a penalty shoot out but why is every man and his dog being asked about their opinion on it now - Michael Duignan on Morning Ireland asked about it. Where was he when the decision was made, or where was his objection to it then?
Maybe it needs to be a case of either put up or shut up and I think that constant questioning of pundits who seem to do little else other than talk, while hurling goes to pot in some of their counties, needs to stop. Either go on the HDC committee, etc and air your view or actually INTRODUCE the changes yourself, or shut up." So true. Some of the worst soccer macthes ever ended in an exciting shootout (Ireland v Romania 1990 for instance). At least the hurling gave us 100 minutes of decent entertainment before the anticlimax. Id take the later anyday.
ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 23/03/2018 16:36:04
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Replying To keithlemon: "I don't think this problem is limited to the GAA, you only have to read Ewan MacKenna's latest on the back of Irelands Grand Slam win. He picks out a number of 'mitigating factors:
- English and French teams have a much harder slog of a season so they're automatically at a disadvantage
- commercialism from Vodafone is over the top and made this victory out to be much more than it actually is
- rugby is a limited sport so winning a tournament where only a small number of that limited number is involved makes it even less of a 'great' victory
Can't people just enjoy things anymore?" Can't people have a 'crib' about our games/rules etc. without people racing to have a 'go' at them for doing it. What is wrong with people?
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 23/03/2018 17:16:00
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Replying To neverright: "Can't people have a 'crib' about our games/rules etc. without people racing to have a 'go' at them for doing it. What is wrong with people?" Sorry I thought I was on the Viz Letterbocks page there for a minute.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 23/03/2018 21:34:17
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Replying To Pinkie: "I agree with the 65's as a competition.
It is different, yes it lacks the drama of a penalty shoot out but why is every man and his dog being asked about their opinion on it now - Michael Duignan on Morning Ireland asked about it. Where was he when the decision was made, or where was his objection to it then?
Maybe it needs to be a case of either put up or shut up and I think that constant questioning of pundits who seem to do little else other than talk, while hurling goes to pot in some of their counties, needs to stop. Either go on the HDC committee, etc and air your view or actually INTRODUCE the changes yourself, or shut up." I agree with you, these people are fantastic at pointing out what we all know, but if your going to shoot your mouth of at present an alternative.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 23/03/2018 23:17:37
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Replying To Soma: "Is there anything in the GAA at the minute more bizarre than the whinging about the pre-season competitions like the Walsh and McKenna cups? No manager is going to go into a league campaign without having a few challenge games played and these pre-season competitions do that job the finest. A good few players are tried out in these games and never play county again, I'm sure they are happier to play in front of a few thousand in a McKenna than nobody at a challenge match. I think the gate receipts from these used to go to some charity or welfare group, not sure if that is still the case but it should be." Thing is though that the national league (in hurling anyway) is like a pre-season competition now. More than likely Wexford will beat Galway without too much much trouble today and I wouldn't be surprised if Dublin run Tipp close tomorrow too.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 24/03/2018 09:13:48
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Replying To keithlemon: "I don't think this problem is limited to the GAA, you only have to read Ewan MacKenna's latest on the back of Irelands Grand Slam win. He picks out a number of 'mitigating factors:
- English and French teams have a much harder slog of a season so they're automatically at a disadvantage
- commercialism from Vodafone is over the top and made this victory out to be much more than it actually is
- rugby is a limited sport so winning a tournament where only a small number of that limited number is involved makes it even less of a 'great' victory
Can't people just enjoy things anymore?" Good news stories aren't Ewan McKenna's thing but he's a very good journalist. I don't think he writes downbeat articles from the 'bad news sells' outlook. A man once told me that the Irish see the guy that's done well for himself, living in the big house on the hill and begrudgingly assume that the guy is a bo###x. The Americans see the guy on the hill and want to strive to do well and get up that hill. There's a tiny bit of truth there but Americans can whinge and begrudge as good as anyone. I think, absoutely no stats, that worldwide if people see enough bad news stories in all types of media they'll lean towards a negative outlook. I know a lot of us can look on the downside first but if we're seeing something wrong at least propose an alternative, no matter how silly it might be, rather than criticise someone else's proposal without having one of our own.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 24/03/2018 11:26:34
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Good news stories aren't Ewan McKenna's thing but he's a very good journalist. I don't think he writes downbeat articles from the 'bad news sells' outlook. A man once told me that the Irish see the guy that's done well for himself, living in the big house on the hill and begrudgingly assume that the guy is a bo###x. The Americans see the guy on the hill and want to strive to do well and get up that hill. There's a tiny bit of truth there but Americans can whinge and begrudge as good as anyone. I think, absoutely no stats, that worldwide if people see enough bad news stories in all types of media they'll lean towards a negative outlook. I know a lot of us can look on the downside first but if we're seeing something wrong at least propose an alternative, no matter how silly it might be, rather than criticise someone else's proposal without having one of our own." That's just it GNR, MacKenna is an excellent journalist, he can write some really good stuff. His piece on Farrah last week was terrific and asks some serious questions of his legacy and that of the British Olympic council.
But he does have a habit to write a piece with enough hint of controversy or a slight niggle at something when he really doesn't need to. I think he knows he'll get more reaction for writing such pieces so it makes sense to write them. I thought the piece on the Grand Slam win was classic click bait (considering its timing and headline).
Like I said, for the week that was in it, Ireland winning a third Grand Slam in their history, regardless of all the circumstances or mitigating factors he brought up, he simply didn't have to go down the road he went on it.
But sure, who wants to read something without a bit of controversy!!
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 26/03/2018 09:40:34
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Replying To keeper7: "Sorry I thought I was on the Viz Letterbocks page there for a minute." Haven't looked at that page in ages man, brilliant
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 26/03/2018 09:41:44
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