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Replying To jimbodub: "Munster has been granted close to €50,000,000 (50 Million) for further developing GAA sports in the province in the last year.
The opening of PUC and the 7.5 million to Tralee and I'm sure there's plenty more when you at the books
... and that's not even factoring in what was given to Limerick for the redevelopment of the Gaelic Grounds a number of years ago now.
Munster have received a fortune. An absolute mountain of money.
So huge amounts of €€€ is floating around..
So the question is why aren't the GAA spending such money on games development initiatives around the country?
The money is most certainly there as has been proven and it's quite farcical to read on here that some think there's no money available because Dublin is getting it all... d
Pffhh" A mix of capital vs development will always be the case, and I have already explained already that the Tralee IT investment is not a GAA facility but why let facts get in the way eh, and I think you need to check your figures on PUC as well, the GAA did not directly put in €40m. Croke Park also underwent a massively expensive redevelopment some years ago but as that's in Dublin I suppose that doesnt count?
I have my own thoughts on PUC but in fairness it's our second City and the old stadium was falling down. It never would have gotten the money only for the failed Rugby WC bid, but now that it's there if the GAA are serious about really developing and commercialising the game we can't continue to play every meaningful match in Dublin. PUC could be a very valuable piece of infrastructure in the future.
No point in debating further really as I think we are going around in circles. Very few of the Dubs seem to properly understand the privilege they have enjoyed since 2005, and those that do won't acknowledge it. I would like to see a good investment programme rolled out across the other counties to try to get some of them back competing in the medium term but I am not hopeful.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 01/02/2018 13:39:58
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Maybe there's no funding because Munster has gotten it all?
I mean 50,000,000 in a year...
It's sort of a lot
RIP Gaelic Grounds and best of luck to the Limerick CB with that weight around their neck.
I mean that.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 01/02/2018 13:51:56
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "I think you may have misunderstood my point, I'm not interested in a comparison of what Dublin got vs Kerry. I'm not worried about Kerry at all, and not once have I complained that we have not received enough support from HQ. We have a CoE and a good crop of youngsters coming through and the games are adequately funded in Kerry. Dublin simply have a better team with better players at the moment. History and the prestige of playing for Kerry will ensure it is always the top sport in the County and I have no doubt we will taste success again soon.
It's the likes of Meath, Kildare etc that are really suffering and need meaningful intervention to secure the future of the game. The investment in Dublin was a good thing and should continue IMO, albeit with less funding." That's pretty much it in fairness . As Weeshie Fogarty exclaimed during the 2015 final I think it was , " Dublin just have better players at the moment and look a better team " . That's what it essentially comes back to no matter how you dress it up. Of course this crop will not be around for ever like the KK or Kerry or Tyrone teams of the past. It's no coincidence that the titles stopped when they moved on. Sure Dublin get good funding and that is being addressed now but sometimes it's easier to detract rather than recognize superiority in opponents.
You're on the money though !
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 01/02/2018 14:17:53
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I think something croke park could propose two things
1) Cut the inter county game time to 60 mins
2) Get rid of the qualifiers.
One point 1
;A reduced level of fitness should needed for 60 minute games thus not allowing top teams burn off teams in the last 10 minutes.
:Also its amateur game and the level of fitness that is needed now is crazy. If player welfare is really top of Croke parks agenda.
One point 2
: Less and less are getting to contest the All-ireland since they where introduced so its suiting the top teams not weaker teams, what is meant to do in the first place.
:Top teams like Dublin Kerry and Mayo are using it to there advantage knowing they have a second chance you dont really need to be firing on all cylinders at the start of the championship. Saving fitness to later stages.
But what are the powers that suggesting ? super 8's, where only the top is every going win out on league bases that's only going to suit a top teams.
Just say Meath or Kildare did beat Dublin this year and that's a big if. Do people really think that putting them in a group with Dublin and have try and beat the again is going to help ?
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 01/02/2018 14:21:37
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I think something croke park could propose two things
1) Cut the inter county game time to 60 mins
2) Get rid of the qualifiers.
One point 1
;A reduced level of fitness should needed for 60 minute games thus not allowing top teams burn off teams in the last 10 minutes.
:Also its amateur game and the level of fitness that is needed now is crazy. If player welfare is really top of Croke parks agenda.
One point 2
: Less and less are getting to contest the All-ireland since they where introduced so its suiting the top teams not weaker teams, what is meant to do in the first place.
:Top teams like Dublin Kerry and Mayo are using it to there advantage knowing they have a second chance you dont really need to be firing on all cylinders at the start of the championship. Saving fitness to later stages.
But what are the powers that suggesting ? super 8's, where only the top is every going win out on league bases that's only going to suit a top teams.
Just say Meath or Kildare did beat Dublin this year and that's a big if. Do people really think that putting them in a group with Dublin and have try and beat the again is going to help?
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 760 - 01/02/2018 14:21:37 I dont agree with either of those. Cutting the time of games isnt needed and if you were to do it fitness levels wouldnt necessarily be going down as level of intensity would be as high and teams would just train the same and just adapt their training. The player welfare on this isnt an issue.
Dublin havent really needed second chance of qualifiers since they began as they only havent won their provincial title in 2003, 2004 and 2010.
How does removing the qualifiers help other teams. My county, Tipperary, got to an all ireland semi final in 2016 exactly because of the qualifiers. Mayo havent won last 2 connacht titles but won 5 in a row before that. Them losing doesnt mean they save fitness.
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Replying To jimbodub: "Maybe there's no funding because Munster has gotten it all?
I mean 50,000,000 in a year...
It's sort of a lot
RIP Gaelic Grounds and best of luck to the Limerick CB with that weight around their neck.
I mean that." It's easy for you to knock the PUC funding when your crowd play all yer games in crokepark, some of us have to build and take care of our our own stadiums.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 01/02/2018 14:59:49
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I do believe the GAA should be moving some of the development grants around the country to improve the standard of football. The GAA needs a successful Dublin and it was right to put funding in place 15 years ago. However Dublin can now stand on their two feet and have proved themselves capable of generating there own income. I do have to laugh at some of the Kerry posters - they don't like anybody having a preceived advantage. Lets forget for nearly 100 years they only had to win 3 games to win an All Ireland. This Dublin team is the best to ever play the game and it is not down to money. We should admire what we are watching - I suspect they will win 5 or 6 AL's in a row and that will be good for the marketing of the GAA.
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "It's easy for you to knock the PUC funding when your crowd play all yer games in crokepark, some of us have to build and take care of our our own stadiums." Imagine having to provide yourself with a suitable stadium.........that's mad Ted!!
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 01/02/2018 15:15:15
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I'm not knocking anything
But 40,000,000 is 40,000,000
Which could have been spent far better IMO
Especially given your and a number of other posters outrage.. no?
Your lack of acknowledgement of 50,000,000 given to GAA sports development within Munster is interesting.
Imagine what that sort of money could have done for games development across the country
It greatly eclipses the amount received by Dublin across 14 years...
And you boys seem convinced that a much smaller figure received by Dublin is that blame for everything...
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 01/02/2018 15:24:27
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Dublin GAA playing in Croke Park is making money for the GAA.
Sure all those live TV games on Croker featuring Dublin are making a fortune for the organisation
Huge TV rights.. all the broadcasters want the Live Dublin games, huge viewing figures.. ad sale add ons, sponsorship add ons.. why do you think they always show the Dub games :) for the laugh..
Yiz are whinging about funding..
How do yiz reckon that's generated lads?
Millions of it generated off the back of Dublin GAA. I know that's an inconvenient truth and all.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 01/02/2018 15:32:41
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Replying To kildare73: "Imagine having to provide yourself with a suitable stadium.........that's mad Ted!!" Probably seems so to a Kildare man given the state of the facilities in Newbridge.
AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 01/02/2018 15:46:10
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Replying To sam1884: "I do believe the GAA should be moving some of the development grants around the country to improve the standard of football. The GAA needs a successful Dublin and it was right to put funding in place 15 years ago. However Dublin can now stand on their two feet and have proved themselves capable of generating there own income. I do have to laugh at some of the Kerry posters - they don't like anybody having a preceived advantage. Lets forget for nearly 100 years they only had to win 3 games to win an All Ireland. This Dublin team is the best to ever play the game and it is not down to money. We should admire what we are watching - I suspect they will win 5 or 6 AL's in a row and that will be good for the marketing of the GAA." All of that is fair enough
I know right...
Kerry posters whinging about 1% advantages making the difference with one and a half feet in a semifinal for over a hundred years.. and sure now they even have a back door which they've used to win
It truly is gobsmackingly daft
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 01/02/2018 15:46:41
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Replying To kildare73: "Imagine having to provide yourself with a suitable stadium.........that's mad Ted!!" Imagine building a large new stadium for tens of millions, a few miles from an existing one that can be rented, and is already fit for this purpose.
Now that's a mad idea Ted.
Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 01/02/2018 15:54:06
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Replying To kildare73: "Imagine having to provide yourself with a suitable stadium.........that's mad Ted!!" I know :-0
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 01/02/2018 15:55:24
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Replying To jimbodub: "Dublin GAA playing in Croke Park is making money for the GAA.
Sure all those live TV games on Croker featuring Dublin are making a fortune for the organisation
Huge TV rights.. all the broadcasters want the Live Dublin games, huge viewing figures.. ad sale add ons, sponsorship add ons.. why do you think they always show the Dub games :) for the laugh..
Yiz are whinging about funding..
How do yiz reckon that's generated lads?
Millions of it generated off the back of Dublin GAA. I know that's an inconvenient truth and all." It's not the first time you have throw out that but you haven't backed it up when asked. There are 31 other counties and hurling is booming too so there was life before this generation of Dublin football. Anyway seems as the largest portion is being reinvested inwards so I wouldn't worry if I were you.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 01/02/2018 16:51:33
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Replying To AHP: "Probably seems so to a Kildare man given the state of the facilities in Newbridge." Ahhh we have a tourist!! That's what happens when you have to pay for things on your own.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 01/02/2018 16:53:30
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Replying To Jaden: "Imagine building a large new stadium for tens of millions, a few miles from an existing one that can be rented, and is already fit for this purpose.
Now that's a mad idea Ted." Why does that stop Dublin providing themselves with a stadium? Not sure what your point is? Croke Park was never ever envisaged to be anyone's home.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 01/02/2018 16:57:39
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Replying To kildare73: "Why does that stop Dublin providing themselves with a stadium? Not sure what your point is? Croke Park was never ever envisaged to be anyone's home." So you'd like to see money spent on a stadium in Dublin?
So you wouldn't mind the GAA and Irish tax payer give Dublin €40,000,000? Like they did in Cork..
When there's already a stadium in Dublin that the GAA have spent a fortune on?
Surely that's just more funding being lost to games development
You're sort of all over the shop..
Nah we'll stay where we are and continue to bring in the €€€ for the organisation...
You're very welcome
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 01/02/2018 17:08:55
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I'm curious as to what those who want 'fairness' in the GAA propose. Is it just a equality across the board for funding? Will that fix the supposed unbalanced status of the current championship format.
Lets say the funding was spread more evenly and Dublin split in two or 4, does that give us a more fairer and therefore better championship?
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 01/02/2018 17:14:00
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Replying To jimbodub: "So you'd like to see money spent on a stadium in Dublin?
So you wouldn't mind the GAA and Irish tax payer give Dublin €40,000,000? Like they did in Cork..
When there's already a stadium in Dublin that the GAA have spent a fortune on?
Surely that's just more funding being lost to games development
You're sort of all over the shop..
Nah we'll stay where we are and continue to bring in the €€€ for the organisation...
You're very welcome" We'll you are getting the lions share anyway, you can easily afford to build or renovate Parnell Park. Anyone remember that place??
And you STILL haven't told me how much Dublin are benefiting every other county except your vague claim of "millions ". Like I said it seems the bulk of it is reinvested within so I'll save my gratitude.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 01/02/2018 17:14:53
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