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Professor Niall Moyna says Dublin are too dominant

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Interesting story on the Hoganstand main page. It's an interview carried out with Professor Niall Moyna, the DCU manager and a former member of Dublin's backroom team. In it he says he is seriously concerned at the growing gap between Dublin and the rest, particularly in Leinster. Dublin benefit from vastly more games development AND Sports Capital Programme funding than other counties. "Up to a year ago it didn't concern me but now it does" says Prof. Moyna. "It's's a combination of both the population and central funding.....it has opened a Pandora's Box and we can't turn a blind eye. If it continues the way it's going they are going to be so far ahead that it will be difficult to catch up. There has to be a really serious rethink about the distribution of central funds to other counties". Now if even a former Dublin team official says this why are others continuing to ignore the Elephant in the room? Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 30/01/2018 15:52:54 2072447 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Interesting story on the Hoganstand main page. It's an interview carried out with Professor Niall Moyna, the DCU manager and a former member of Dublin's backroom team. In it he says he is seriously concerned at the growing gap between Dublin and the rest, particularly in Leinster. Dublin benefit from vastly more games development AND Sports Capital Programme funding than other counties. "Up to a year ago it didn't concern me but now it does" says Prof. Moyna. "It's's a combination of both the population and central funding.....it has opened a Pandora's Box and we can't turn a blind eye. If it continues the way it's going they are going to be so far ahead that it will be difficult to catch up. There has to be a really serious rethink about the distribution of central funds to other counties". Now if even a former Dublin team official says this why are others continuing to ignore the Elephant in the room?" In fairness, If he is only saying that he is getting worried this year I wouldn't read too much into his elephant tears. You could see the culmination of all their resources and plans in place coming down the road as soon as they won the AI in 2011. Plus, was there any time Moyna made a public outcry of worry about the resources and funding DCU were getting to pump into Scholarships and what not to get every county player possible to 'attend' and tog out. Something most third level institutes could only dream of? LongfordSham (Longford) - Posts: 106 - 30/01/2018 16:11:23 2072459 Link
The dublin monster was created by the GAA because of greed, when you see a team that is supposed to be amateur having a commercial manager it says it all.. Kildare are there closest opponents in leinster and you saw how easy they beat them saturday night. leinster football is dead, really who cares about the leinster championship seeing the dublin pros running up cricket scores!! nothing will change as the money is rolling into croke park dec (None) - Posts: 271 - 30/01/2018 17:08:57 2072484 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Interesting story on the Hoganstand main page. It's an interview carried out with Professor Niall Moyna, the DCU manager and a former member of Dublin's backroom team. In it he says he is seriously concerned at the growing gap between Dublin and the rest, particularly in Leinster. Dublin benefit from vastly more games development AND Sports Capital Programme funding than other counties. "Up to a year ago it didn't concern me but now it does" says Prof. Moyna. "It's's a combination of both the population and central funding.....it has opened a Pandora's Box and we can't turn a blind eye. If it continues the way it's going they are going to be so far ahead that it will be difficult to catch up. There has to be a really serious rethink about the distribution of central funds to other counties". Now if even a former Dublin team official says this why are others continuing to ignore the Elephant in the room?" How about addressing the Elephant in the room as you put it yourself seeing as you are son concerned about Dublin dominance. How is it then that we're were not winning leinster and AI titles year in and year out in hurling ? Is it only one code that you're so " concerned " with because it enables you and others to make your begrudging little comments about a team that are doing well and are blessed with the talent that we have at the minute. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 30/01/2018 17:31:16 2072492 Link
that's niall moynas opinion. he is entitled to it. good on him... waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 30/01/2018 17:47:52 2072498 Link
Few bob going into the hurlers, hows that working out , your at nothing without players , P Duffy had a take on Dublin noticed UM and his cohorts choose to ignore that piece , each to their own , my take is elephants don't score points , good players do , Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 30/01/2018 19:26:01 2072531 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "Few bob going into the hurlers, hows that working out , your at nothing without players , P Duffy had a take on Dublin noticed UM and his cohorts choose to ignore that piece , each to their own , my take is elephants don't score points , good players do ," I did forward a piece on Duffy's tenure but the Mods didn't publish it. I think it has been a disaster in terms of creating elitism and division within the GAA and allowing one county to literally direct Association policy. At least your hurlers get a few bob' . As Sambo McNaughton said yesterday Antrim have had to plough on with virtually NO help from Croke Park. As usual though instead of debating the issues Niall highlighted the Dubs shout "Squirrel" and deflect the obvious. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 30/01/2018 20:06:49 2072544 Link
yawn Hill16Army (Dublin) - Posts: 88 - 30/01/2018 20:23:18 2072549 Link
Replying To Hill16Army: "yawn" Thank You for proving my point perfectly. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 30/01/2018 20:26:40 2072550 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Thank You for proving my point perfectly." I apologise for the lazy response, but I've heard this rubbish talk too many times Hill16Army (Dublin) - Posts: 88 - 30/01/2018 20:30:12 2072552 Link
Replying To Hill16Army: "I apologise for the lazy response, but I've heard this rubbish talk too many times" OK ignore me I won't lose any sleep BUT address Professor Moyna's points. He's a former Dublin backroom member. So he's a professor with experience of the Dublin set up......but he talks rubbish? You Dubs can bury your heads, look the other way and shout LA LA LA with your fingers in your ears but Niall's points WON'T go away because YOU want them to. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 30/01/2018 20:43:31 2072560 Link
It's an utter scandal what Croke Park has stood over and allowed happen in Dublin and I do fear even the days of Kerry keeping Dublin honest are not long for this new GAA world, but we'll keep fighting. There is no point trying to engage most of the Dublin posters on this issue though, the decent ones simply deflect, the more undesirable sneer and insult. In my opinion its up to the GAA people in the other 31County Boards to stand up and force their County Boards to demand this complete financial funding imbalance of Dublin ends. I can't see how Croke Park could stand up to the likes of the Kerry/Cork/Galway/Mayo/Donegal/Tyrone/Kilkenny/Tipperary etc GAA all demanding this farce stops. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 30/01/2018 20:55:00 2072569 Link
Replying To TheHermit: "It's an utter scandal what Croke Park has stood over and allowed happen in Dublin and I do fear even the days of Kerry keeping Dublin honest are not long for this new GAA world, but we'll keep fighting. There is no point trying to engage most of the Dublin posters on this issue though, the decent ones simply deflect, the more undesirable sneer and insult. In my opinion its up to the GAA people in the other 31County Boards to stand up and force their County Boards to demand this complete financial funding imbalance of Dublin ends. I can't see how Croke Park could stand up to the likes of the Kerry/Cork/Galway/Mayo/Donegal/Tyrone/Kilkenny/Tipperary etc GAA all demanding this farce stops." Is this the first time I have agreed with everything you have said? For the record Kerry and Mayo deserve all our praise and admiration for trying to keep up with the Dublin juggernaut, that has to be acknowledged. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 30/01/2018 21:12:33 2072578 Link
I wasn't around when Kerry were winning everything...did this same debate take place then ? Dublin won't always be this dominant. In fact one could argue Mayo could/should have won at least one final against them. Kilkenny were probably the most dominant team ever up until very recently. It's up to Ye likes of Cork, Meath etc to catch up. I would argue the gap between Leitrim and Mayo or Galway in terms of resources is greater than that of Dublin and the other so called Leinster big guns yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 30/01/2018 21:15:37 2072581 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "Few bob going into the hurlers, hows that working out , your at nothing without players , P Duffy had a take on Dublin noticed UM and his cohorts choose to ignore that piece , each to their own , my take is elephants don't score points , good players do ," So because the Dublin hurlers are poor that's justification for the massive levels of funding? In any case it's not as simple as that. Dublin are the second most successful football team in the country. Although they've improved dramatically, they have always been strong historically. The hurlers are coming from a much lower base as they've never been strong historically. Last all ireland was in the 30s I think. The increased funding has resulted in an improvement in their fortunes this decade with competitive underage teams, a Leinster title and national league title. You're at nothing without good players but surely you recognize the role of full time paid coaches in producing these players? FYI, I'm not one of the ''split dublin'' brigade but the central funding has distributed fairly. MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 30/01/2018 21:21:12 2072586 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "I wasn't around when Kerry were winning everything...did this same debate take place then ? Dublin won't always be this dominant. In fact one could argue Mayo could/should have won at least one final against them. Kilkenny were probably the most dominant team ever up until very recently. It's up to Ye likes of Cork, Meath etc to catch up. I would argue the gap between Leitrim and Mayo or Galway in terms of resources is greater than that of Dublin and the other so called Leinster big guns" Yew the dubs have the population and money to dominate for years to come, there is 11 new players in their 2017 team from the team that won the allireland in 2011. You can't compare them to Kilkenny hurlers. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 30/01/2018 21:30:18 2072589 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Yew the dubs have the population and money to dominate for years to come, there is 11 new players in their 2017 team from the team that won the allireland in 2011. You can't compare them to Kilkenny hurlers." You need talent too though. Money helps and is a factor but is not the overriding factor. So Kerry or Kilkenny dominating on a shoestring is fine but dublin dominating with money isn't? Kerry are also financially superior to most counties as are Mayo. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 30/01/2018 21:49:30 2072594 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "I wasn't around when Kerry were winning everything...did this same debate take place then ? Dublin won't always be this dominant. In fact one could argue Mayo could/should have won at least one final against them. Kilkenny were probably the most dominant team ever up until very recently. It's up to Ye likes of Cork, Meath etc to catch up. I would argue the gap between Leitrim and Mayo or Galway in terms of resources is greater than that of Dublin and the other so called Leinster big guns" Hence the reason why Leitrim only beat Mayo or Galway about once in 50 years, So I'm not sure what your point is do we just leave everything as it is ? Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 666 - 30/01/2018 21:54:05 2072598 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "You need talent too though. Money helps and is a factor but is not the overriding factor. So Kerry or Kilkenny dominating on a shoestring is fine but dublin dominating with money isn't? Kerry are also financially superior to most counties as are Mayo." Unlike Kerry and Kilkenny it could be argued with justification that Dublin's success WAS mainly down to vastly improved investment, coaching and financial input from Croke Park. This is not to dilute Dublin's talent but it wouldn't be wrong to say there isn't an element of manufacturing about them too. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 30/01/2018 22:12:57 2072607 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "You need talent too though. Money helps and is a factor but is not the overriding factor. So Kerry or Kilkenny dominating on a shoestring is fine but dublin dominating with money isn't? Kerry are also financially superior to most counties as are Mayo." Kerry and Mayo generate a lot of money through fundraising. Dublin generate a lot through sponsorship. I don't have a problem with that tbh (weaker counties may feel differently). However, there is no justification for the way central funding is being allocated. Don't get me started on Bertie's government grant. MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 30/01/2018 22:15:09 2072609 Link