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Replying To alano12: "mcguiness the pundit is poor?..would have to strongly disagree with you there, decent footballer too, charlie great player but his comments were silly" Mcguinness constantly contradicts himself and has to relate everything to soccer it gets boring. He drums on about changing structures because of weaker teams yet doesn't mind scottish league his club celtic being miles ahead of the rest and no competition there or the champions league lumping big guns in same group as no hopers. The vast majority of sports have top player's or teams against bottom player's or team's in major competitions. he is hard to listen to talking aswell it's similiar to the boring voice priest in father ted accept whingier hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/07/2017 23:30:05 2019010 Link
Replying To SecretsOfFatima: "Don't understand how you can say that Tyrone didn't get fair credit, they're widely regarded as one of the best teams to have ever played the game with some of the finest individual players of their era..." Tyrone started to get some credit for the team of the last decade only when they had retired and Tyrone were poor and regularly losing again. The wider opinion among casual GAA fans that I speak to, especially in Dublin, as opposed to people who really know their football, is that Tyrone are uniquely thuggish, uniquely negative, uniquely cynical. Whelan's "bad smell" comment isn't that old. See also: "Some of the commentary about Tyrone last week went beyond general sports chatter and veered mightily close to less comfortable territory, some of it borderline xenophobic." See: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tipping-point-tyrone-are-the-bogeyman-and-it-s-not-a-pretty-place-to-be-1.2319836 In reality, having followed football for over 40 years, I'd say that all teams are very clean nowadays, apart from the odd rogue here and there; and the actions of such panto villains nowadays attracts OTT commentary for generally fairly minor incidents that, let's face it, wouldn't even have been noticed in the 70s, 80s or 90s. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 18/07/2017 23:34:21 2019013 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "I will always respect Charlie the player, never read much that had me over doing the auld grey matter. Regards mcguinness for me I understand in a county were all Ireland's are few and far between why the locals see Jesus The rest of us see a one trick pony a brilliant successful pony , it didn't hang around long enough to show there was more substance ," think thats somewhat unfair to label him as that in that they did reach the final again after winning sam and it could have gone either way, and he did adapt between 2011 and 2012, his players were pretty limited compared to the opposition alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 18/07/2017 23:55:07 2019016 Link
Replying To hill16no1man: "Mcguinness constantly contradicts himself and has to relate everything to soccer it gets boring. He drums on about changing structures because of weaker teams yet doesn't mind scottish league his club celtic being miles ahead of the rest and no competition there or the champions league lumping big guns in same group as no hopers. The vast majority of sports have top player's or teams against bottom player's or team's in major competitions. he is hard to listen to talking aswell it's similiar to the boring voice priest in father ted accept whingier" and here you are comparing various sports, not hypocritical on your part? gaelic football and hurling arent professional sports so surely we should be doing all we can to avoid the likes of things that happen in professional soccer where theres an elite a million miles ahead of the rest, the structures obviously need to be changed as they are completely outdated, look at the depressing reality for most of the counties outside of the top few, i find him to be an excellent pundit, somebody who actually thinks deeply about the game and has lots of good ideas and doesnt resort to personal attacks like those at rte alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 18/07/2017 23:58:36 2019018 Link
Some Dublin posters have selective amnesia. Dublin were very defensive under Gilroy and were part of the reason for the 8-6 scoreline in 2011. Prior to that game the most defensive structure I had ever seen in the flesh was Dublin against Tyrone in 2010. They played with 2 sweepers at all times and brought 12/13 men back into their own half for Tyrone kickouts, not engaging them until they got near the half-way line. That was unheard of back then. Tyrone played an attacking gameplan and tried to kick the ball into the forwards but the sweepers gobbled up so much ball. Go to 12.20 in the link below and watch some of the clips of Dublin defending, notably Pat Spillane saying "when they lose possession, they are all back in defense, they are getting bodies behind the ball", and then remember that this was all before Jim McGuinness came on the scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1k6sNPJqf4 benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 19/07/2017 00:47:00 2019027 Link
Replying To benjyyy: "Some Dublin posters have selective amnesia. Dublin were very defensive under Gilroy and were part of the reason for the 8-6 scoreline in 2011. Prior to that game the most defensive structure I had ever seen in the flesh was Dublin against Tyrone in 2010. They played with 2 sweepers at all times and brought 12/13 men back into their own half for Tyrone kickouts, not engaging them until they got near the half-way line. That was unheard of back then. Tyrone played an attacking gameplan and tried to kick the ball into the forwards but the sweepers gobbled up so much ball. Go to 12.20 in the link below and watch some of the clips of Dublin defending, notably Pat Spillane saying "when they lose possession, they are all back in defense, they are getting bodies behind the ball", and then remember that this was all before Jim McGuinness came on the scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1k6sNPJqf4" I reckon you're right, I think we gave Jim the idea, so that 2012 title really belongs to us :D realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 19/07/2017 01:59:52 2019033 Link
Why are all Donegal posters so unwilling to accept what their style of football is? Why not embrace it and say yes we got our all Ireland in 2012, got to another final in 2014, so in the main that style has been successful. 2012 was obviously a more expansive style than 2011, but that wouldn't be hard! But saying everyone is playing that style or It's a similar style to Dublin or Kerry is just not true. Maybe it makes you feel better to think that. Yes Dublin and Kerry don't play 15 on 15 anymore and they do employ some modern defensive elements in their game but it doesn't mean that they are as defensive as Donegal. HurlingSnob (Dublin) - Posts: 220 - 19/07/2017 02:16:01 2019036 Link
Replying To alano12: "we were pretty defensive under gilroy though in fairness look at the wexford series of games for instance, a team we should have been blowing away, gavin has taken it to another level though yes and weve become a really balanced side since the donegal defeat" Never said we weren't What's that got to do with anything relating to the point I was addressing ? If you're going to come back pretending to be from Dublin at least address me in a manner which actually relates to a point that I'm making. Cheers jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 19/07/2017 07:59:59 2019048 Link
wouldn't worry about what redmond says to be honest.. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 19/07/2017 08:52:00 2019059 Link
Replying To alano12: "think thats somewhat unfair to label him as that in that they did reach the final again after winning sam and it could have gone either way, and he did adapt between 2011 and 2012, his players were pretty limited compared to the opposition" Could've gone either way doesn't cut it , either you won or you didn't , the one trick is in relation to his inability to design a plan B Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/07/2017 08:55:35 2019062 Link
Replying To alano12: "think thats somewhat unfair to label him as that in that they did reach the final again after winning sam and it could have gone either way, and he did adapt between 2011 and 2012, his players were pretty limited compared to the opposition" Could've gone either way doesn't cut it , either you won or you didn't , the one trick is in relation to his inability to design a plan B Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/07/2017 08:55:37 2019063 Link
Replying To alano12: "and here you are comparing various sports, not hypocritical on your part? gaelic football and hurling arent professional sports so surely we should be doing all we can to avoid the likes of things that happen in professional soccer where theres an elite a million miles ahead of the rest, the structures obviously need to be changed as they are completely outdated, look at the depressing reality for most of the counties outside of the top few, i find him to be an excellent pundit, somebody who actually thinks deeply about the game and has lots of good ideas and doesnt resort to personal attacks like those at rte" NO is the easy answer im pointing out a clear reason as to show his ways of contradicting himself by using the other sports which he overlooks to make his point, not hypocritical at all its called giving you my reason as to why i think that way. you say gaa isnt professional but yet mcguinness made a comment that could you imagine match of the day and alan shearer being blamed for getting a suspension for a player but yet he wants amature gaa players criticised personally just like he thinks soccer players are except again his match of the day analogy falls short as they have a policy on that show of only discussing actual sending off cases and not which hunts. every sport has the best beating minnows its a fact of life we just have a media that loves to complain. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/07/2017 08:59:56 2019067 Link
Before casting stones, Charlie should remember the depths that he brought Gaelic games to, when he decided to play on for several minutes after being shown a red card for headbutting an opponent in an AI Final. Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 19/07/2017 09:12:43 2019077 Link
What has the style of football that Donegal played under JMcG got to do the way Jim Gavin came out in defence of Diarmuid Connolly? I just don't get the connection at all. The reference to Kevin Cassidy is also laughable, he had no discipline off the field (he even openly admits that) and gave away the the tactics & training to a journalist, now come on, no player would get away with that in any county. To be honest, nobody should pay any attention to what ex-players say about their own county, they are just completely biased, that goes for everyone including my own county. Maybe they don't mean to be biased but they are. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 19/07/2017 09:18:32 2019081 Link
In reality, having followed football for over 40 years, I'd say that all teams are very clean nowadays, apart from the odd rogue here and there; and the actions of such panto villains nowadays attracts OTT commentary for generally fairly minor incidents that, let's face it, wouldn't even have been noticed in the 70s, 80s or 90s. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts:261 - 18/07/2017 23:34:21 I agree 100% and we have the much maligned black card to thank for that. MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 19/07/2017 09:23:33 2019085 Link
Replying To Thomas Clarke: "Before casting stones, Charlie should remember the depths that he brought Gaelic games to, when he decided to play on for several minutes after being shown a red card for headbutting an opponent in an AI Final." ZING! Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 19/07/2017 09:39:41 2019094 Link
Charlie spoke in tones suggesting he was some sort of footballing tactical mastermind. Jim might not be everyone's cup of tea but at least he put himself out there and proved his credentials. 3 Ulster titles, an All Ireland plus another All Ireland final appearance in 4 years is not to be sniffed at. Especially considering the low ebb he found the team in the first place. Let Charlie take over an under performing county and bring them to an All Ireland success in two years. It would be the equivalent nowadays of winning an All Ireland with Cork/Down for example by 2019. That says it all for me. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 19/07/2017 09:43:20 2019096 Link
Forget about Charlie's comments on Jim.. The comments about Diarmuid Connelly been a victim are nothing short of disgraceful- assault a linesman and they want to get him off on a technicality eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1595 - 19/07/2017 10:04:27 2019103 Link
Laughable from Redmond . Slating Jim's philosophy of the game - what's that got to do with Connolly . I wonder how many All-Irelands Jim would win had he a fifth of the resources that Dublin have. McGuinness had to fund raise on his own , had to contend with half his team living away . Managing Donegal is so much harder than having everything on a plate . How many Dublin players living away from home ? Easy for Dubs to slate his philosophy considering the endless advantages they have . TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 19/07/2017 10:37:45 2019123 Link
Charlie has some mouth on him. Not much substance in anything he says. pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 19/07/2017 10:38:19 2019124 Link