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Replying To Gaillimh_Abu:  "Ha ha indeed! We actually beat Kilkenny once in a while. We have beaten them 3 times and drawn with them twice in the championship in the Brian Cody era, which is a better record than any other county. We will definitely beat them this year if we meet. Meanwhile ye have not beaten them since 1973 and I doubt you will beat them in the next 44 years either."
For your information Limerick have met Kilkenny in the Finals of 1897, 1933,1935, 1936, 1940,1973 1974 and 2007, that is eight finals and LK won four of them. Galways record against Kilkenny on the really big day does not even come near that of Limerick. You come from a county that has lost ninteen out of 23 All Ireland Hurling final appearnces. A little humility would not go astray in your case.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 05/07/2017 21:49:10    2011232

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "For your information Limerick have met Kilkenny in the Finals of 1897, 1933,1935, 1936, 1940,1973 1974 and 2007, that is eight finals and LK won four of them. Galways record against Kilkenny on the really big day does not even come near that of Limerick. You come from a county that has lost ninteen out of 23 All Ireland Hurling final appearnces. A little humility would not go astray in your case."
Oldtourman,

Whatever about our Galway friends having a go at us, the stats since 2005 are shocking. Played Kilkenny 6 times in big games (5 championship, 1 NHL final) and lost them all. We have scored 2 goals in those games, one Ollie Moran's goal in the 2007 final the other scored in the 2012 quarter final. Kilkenny have scored 11. Last Saturday night we needed a goal and like the 2014 semi it never arrived. I've been watching us play the Cats for 34 years and in big games we cannot get goals against them when needed. Back as far as the 1983 NHL final, we lost 2-14 to 2-12 and got chances to win it but couldn't take them.

I love Limerick hurling, just tired that we are not making the leap forward that we need to. Other counties seem to be able to build, fall and rebuild in a manner that we can't do.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 06/07/2017 08:31:58    2011327

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Replying To slayer:  "Oldtourman,

Whatever about our Galway friends having a go at us, the stats since 2005 are shocking. Played Kilkenny 6 times in big games (5 championship, 1 NHL final) and lost them all. We have scored 2 goals in those games, one Ollie Moran's goal in the 2007 final the other scored in the 2012 quarter final. Kilkenny have scored 11. Last Saturday night we needed a goal and like the 2014 semi it never arrived. I've been watching us play the Cats for 34 years and in big games we cannot get goals against them when needed. Back as far as the 1983 NHL final, we lost 2-14 to 2-12 and got chances to win it but couldn't take them.

I love Limerick hurling, just tired that we are not making the leap forward that we need to. Other counties seem to be able to build, fall and rebuild in a manner that we can't do."
I appreciate what you are saying, but on the other hand practically every other major hurling county, except our neighbours Clare, have actually shipped heavier beatings from KK than we have, although that is little consolation.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 06/07/2017 12:43:24    2011462

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Exactly Lohan. 1b is seeping the confidence out of Limerick.

That said if Limerick could score a point they'd be dangerous. Hannon hit in at least aimless balls too. These are easy to rectify though as the team matures. Kyle Hayes looks the business too."
Thanks Killarney. The people on HS who offer our team most encouragement are those like yourself, who are from outside counties. I often think there are some LK 'supporters' who will be mildly disappointed if we eventually win an All Ireland

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 06/07/2017 12:48:18    2011464

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Can I ask why you thought that Limerick would have got a result?

I would love to have seen Limerick beat KK (anyone but KK can win as far as I am concerned), but nothing in Limericks form guide suggests they would win that game. Limericks last meaningful win was the 24 May 2015 against Clare.

Some Limerick fans have an element of disillusion about them IMO.....its like they are unwilling to accept whats in front of them. I am not trying to stir the pot but if I were from Limerick I would be raging with how this season has gone. Forget the youth policy, Limerick have been headless at times and that is due to management. On top of that, the conditioning of some Limerick players is very poor. Once again a management issue.

As I stated on the Limerick forum earlier in the year, Limerick needed to take a leaf out of Clares book this year and adopt Clare's policy in 2012 when Davy joined. That was they targeted the league like their life depended on it. 12 months later we won the All Ireland.

Thats what Keily should have done this year but he didnt and Limerick are left with nothing at the end of it. 1B is killing Limerick hurling and this disease needs to be irradiated first before Limerick will see any tangible championship improvement."
Definitely agree that Limerick need to be in 1a (to be fair we've won 1b a few times but not been promoted!). Kiely definitely targeted the league this year and said as much. Even though there were young lads starting the best 15 was picked first day out v Wexford and we lost out to one of the worst refereeing performances I've ever seen. If we had won that we'd have had our tails up and may have had a go at Galway instead of falling flat in the final league game. Losing that game set us back massively and I can only hope management and plyers learn serious lessons from this season as a whole. I fear we will have another big job on next year to get out of 1b as we'll be away to Galway and I cant remember the last time we won up there at senior level.

McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 447 - 07/07/2017 15:00:53    2012009

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Thanks Killarney. The people on HS who offer our team most encouragement are those like yourself, who are from outside counties. I often think there are some LK 'supporters' who will be mildly disappointed if we eventually win an All Ireland"
Whinging and moaning is easier than encouragement. I didn't see Limerick Vs Clare and I wasn't expecting much but I was pleasantly surprised after watching them against Kilkenny.

I'm not sure about Hannon at centre back, especially if he is taking pot shots or sending in poor ball. He is a very good hurler so it will be a case of properly utilising him and Cian Lynch. LaTouche-Cosgrove doesn't seem to be getting a look in at u-21 or senior and that's a shame cos he was a very strong minor. Barry Nash on the bench too.

Leave Kiely in there for another 2 or 3 years and he will help these young lads mature into a very good team.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 07/07/2017 15:20:37    2012022

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Whinging and moaning is easier than encouragement. I didn't see Limerick Vs Clare and I wasn't expecting much but I was pleasantly surprised after watching them against Kilkenny.

I'm not sure about Hannon at centre back, especially if he is taking pot shots or sending in poor ball. He is a very good hurler so it will be a case of properly utilising him and Cian Lynch. LaTouche-Cosgrove doesn't seem to be getting a look in at u-21 or senior and that's a shame cos he was a very strong minor. Barry Nash on the bench too.

Leave Kiely in there for another 2 or 3 years and he will help these young lads mature into a very good team."
ALTC is playing for the Under 25 team.

I think Hannon has been fine at centre back, sure the pot shots looked poor but he took one after we had 4 wides in a row so might have been frustrated.

What kills me about Limerick hurling is that so often the view is taken to sack the Manager. Liam Sheedy, Brian Cody, Dav Fitz, all lads who didn't do a lot in their first year then progressed afterwards. We are 4th on the roll of honour behind Kilkenny Cork & Tipp and we have seen them all win titles regularly since we last won it. Then we have Galway, Wexford, Clare & Offaly below us and all of them have won it since we last did too.

So we sack manager after manager, blame players, whinge and moan and go back to square one.

This time, I'd like to see John Kiely be given his three years. We have to stop measuring success year on year, there will always be mitigating factors. Kilkenny didn't panic in 2013 or 2004/5 when the game seemed to be changing. They trusted their Manager to adapt deliver and he did.

If (and it is an if) we could win the All-Ireland once it would do so much for the county. Firstly it would make twice as many kids pick up a hurley as before. Second it would take the pressure off and the spectre of 73 would be gone. It would allow coaching in the county to create a production line of talent which should see kids realise their dreams rather than reach U21 & drop off the face of the earth.

I hope he is backed but has the stomach to do what needs to be done to take us forward. Sadly that might mean saying goodbye to some loyal servants but we have be competitive and we have to ensure we give ourselves the best chance of success.

We bloody well love the game, I simply can't imagine what it would be like to win the All-Ireland but it is what Limerick is crying out for.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 07/07/2017 16:00:17    2012046

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Replying To slayer:  "ALTC is playing for the Under 25 team.

I think Hannon has been fine at centre back, sure the pot shots looked poor but he took one after we had 4 wides in a row so might have been frustrated.

What kills me about Limerick hurling is that so often the view is taken to sack the Manager. Liam Sheedy, Brian Cody, Dav Fitz, all lads who didn't do a lot in their first year then progressed afterwards. We are 4th on the roll of honour behind Kilkenny Cork & Tipp and we have seen them all win titles regularly since we last won it. Then we have Galway, Wexford, Clare & Offaly below us and all of them have won it since we last did too.

So we sack manager after manager, blame players, whinge and moan and go back to square one.

This time, I'd like to see John Kiely be given his three years. We have to stop measuring success year on year, there will always be mitigating factors. Kilkenny didn't panic in 2013 or 2004/5 when the game seemed to be changing. They trusted their Manager to adapt deliver and he did.

If (and it is an if) we could win the All-Ireland once it would do so much for the county. Firstly it would make twice as many kids pick up a hurley as before. Second it would take the pressure off and the spectre of 73 would be gone. It would allow coaching in the county to create a production line of talent which should see kids realise their dreams rather than reach U21 & drop off the face of the earth.

I hope he is backed but has the stomach to do what needs to be done to take us forward. Sadly that might mean saying goodbye to some loyal servants but we have be competitive and we have to ensure we give ourselves the best chance of success.

We bloody well love the game, I simply can't imagine what it would be like to win the All-Ireland but it is what Limerick is crying out for."
Contrast the situation in Limerick and Galway. Practically all our towns are now primarily football first, Drom NCW and Rathkeale were all hurling towns first- now that day is gone and several other once great hurling clubs, like Old Christians, Claughaun and Fedamore, are gone down completely. Most of the major towns in Galway like Portumna, Athenry, Gort Loughrea and Clarinbridge are all hurling towns and there is also a huge rural heartland where hurling is the top game.. A new approach is needed at County Board level in Limerick and the club situation must be closely looked at also.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 07/07/2017 17:19:35    2012072

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Contrast the situation in Limerick and Galway. Practically all our towns are now primarily football first, Drom NCW and Rathkeale were all hurling towns first- now that day is gone and several other once great hurling clubs, like Old Christians, Claughaun and Fedamore, are gone down completely. Most of the major towns in Galway like Portumna, Athenry, Gort Loughrea and Clarinbridge are all hurling towns and there is also a huge rural heartland where hurling is the top game.. A new approach is needed at County Board level in Limerick and the club situation must be closely looked at also."
Well said lads. I surprised ALTC didn't start against Tipp in the under 21. I thought he did well off the bench in Thurles last year.

The big mistake with the last bunch of under 21s from 2000 - 2002 was sacking their manager (Keane I think) from the senior job after a year or two.

Kiely is the sort of manager who can deliver the big one if given 3 - 5 years. Liam Sheedy only really got going in year 3 with Tipp. All the ingredients are there, a good manager, talented young players, and like Cork and Wexford a massive support base waiting for a team to get behind. They just need a patient and calm county board.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 07/07/2017 18:07:35    2012087

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PS if ALTC and Barry Nash are not making a big impact with the seniors already it shows the strength in depth Limerick Hurling has at the minute. Graeme Mulcahy is a good sub to bring on too.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 07/07/2017 18:09:35    2012088

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Kilkenny team announced. The same fifteen that started against Limerick. I'm a bit surprised at that, I thought there might have been a couple of changes. Ah well, Cody and team know best.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2466 - 07/07/2017 21:02:11    2012145

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