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You are not understanding my point. Anyway this is being done to death. Eamon Mcgee said more or less what I was saying yesterday so I'm sticking to my opinion. The poor us attitude really is tiresome and that is from someone who has defended the Dubs on here many times in the past but not this time. Time to move on.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7897 - 27/06/2017 22:10:51 2006575 Link 2 |
I'm weighing into this fairly late but a few things appear really obvious to me. Firstly, Connolly pushed the linesman and if it carries a 12 week ban, then it carries a 12 week ban. The Louth player deserves his ban too for kicking the ball at at an official. Why this sense of injustice prevails among fans and county managers is beyond me. It sets a terrible example for young kids. There's a loophole out of everything and if there isn't, well we will just blame somebody else... Serious culture change needed here among all counties and all levels of the game. A culture of respect is absent. Connolly is a genius of a player and a wonderful athlete but the bottom line, the cold hard facts are that he did the crime, so do the time. He isn't one of the Birmingham 6 or the Guildford 4, it's frankly embarrassing for the Gaa as a whole and I think they themselves are to blame as their structure for disciplinary procedures is too complicated and too open for flipping decisions on their head. Jim Gavin has usually been a classy operator but this time it's nonsense. Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 28/06/2017 08:16:18 2006639 Link 4 |
You've come late and missed the point completely , the injustice isn't the sentence , the player himself has put his hand up , he could have but has chosen not to find one of those loopholes you refer to, in every single post Ive said if its 12 weeks its 12 weeks , Ive said we need to send a message to the young kids who play our games , however every single person be it in life or be it in sport is entitled to due process that shouldn't depend if you are Dermot Connoly Michael Murphy or Aidan O Shea, there was a reaction because it was Connoly , there was glee because it was Connoly , I remember seeing the Gooch getting his bad injury and thinking crap we are going to miss seeing a superstar all summer , however there are many who thought this a great opportunity to get rid of one for the summer
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/06/2017 08:56:20 2006653 Link 2 |
it can be applied to many walks of life and sport being one of the most commonly used. Give it a read when you finish all the Dublin players autobiographies. I assume you're aware that you cant abuse officials as well as players while your quoting the rules there? SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 28/06/2017 09:15:58 2006662 Link 0 |
I haven't missed the point completely at all. in fact, you've really just clarified my point with your response ... 'There was a reaction because it was Connolly' ... has absolutely nothing to do with it. As you said, a 12 week ban is deserved and he took it. Fair enough. But Jim Gavin and 'some' Dublin fans are going down a ridiculous road. If he has past disciplinary issues, that's really his problem to solve. Others aren't to blame and definitely he's no victim. He got the 12 week ban because it was a 12 week ban. If he has a reputation it's because he's built it up himself by his own actions. Listen, he's a brilliant footballer.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 28/06/2017 09:38:18 2006669 Link 3 |
He didnt even get sent off! Like the Louth boy (who just kicked a ball in anger and hit an unfortunate umpire) got sent off. The officials acted. The officials only decided to act after the game because of a media storm. It was put in the match report and then Spillane weighed in pretty much saying Connolly deserved to be banned when the officials on the day didnt act because they thought nothing of it. Reality is we cant rely on kangaroo courts and trial by former Kerry greats. These kind of incidents highlight how inconsistent referreeing and the enforcement of the rules actually are. The way the Connolly was handled brings the game into disrepute! Brolly had it spot on after the incident and on last Sundays highlights programme. JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 28/06/2017 10:17:02 2006695 Link 2 |
Answer the question re due process , is he entitled to it or not , is undue scrutiny encouraged due to past indiscretions yes or no they are simple questions Connoly is no victim , No where have I said he is . Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/06/2017 10:21:21 2006700 Link 2 |
As the dust settles on this story, I still can't believe how Brolly and Dolan threw Pat Spillane under the bus, especially Brolly, what a hypocrit maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 28/06/2017 13:52:31 2006838 Link 1 |
There is selective reviewing of incidents. Yes refs makes mistakes and often whole teams are punished with the game result. Individual players commit an offence and it is retrospectively dealt with. There is not a proper fair balance. The rule book is not always right and sometimes needs to be looked at. What is not dealt on the field and can be reviewed needs to be tightened up. Or else review every missed call and play every game ten times. The system of officiating sets the referee up to fail. The reality is the standard of match officials ( not just there referee) is not good enough. 6 in all at a game with one having all the responsibility and some of the others along for the perks. You are really naive if you believe action taken is not influenced by the court of t.v. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 28/06/2017 14:01:20 2006848 Link 2 |
Kangaroo courts!!!!! Jesus will you give over please, some of you are getting pure deluded at this stage.
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 28/06/2017 14:28:43 2006885 Link 4 |
How can a disciplinary process be anything other than in disrepute when the people at the centre of incidents are villafied before the committees sit to review the necessary evidence. In any legal case the media are asked to refrain from comment until due process has occurred. The latest Diarmuid Connolly fiasco started with what I would consider a nothing event. So did the linesman and ref at the time. Anybody who does not agree after choosing not to deal with the incident at the time, the handling thereafter of the incident was nothing short of farcical. The added notes in the refs report, the trial by tv and social media and Spillanes involvement....and the ridiculous comments that the CCCC werent influenced by any of it point to what I can only describe as extremely poor handling. It is the job of the match officials to deal with incidents on the pitch. No card was deemed neccessary. What happened since can only be described as a farce. Comes back to good/bad refereeing and the lack of clarity in how the GAA discipline procedures work. JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 28/06/2017 15:37:42 2006949 Link 3 |
Yes he should get due process. And he did. If he got above and beyond the normal ban for what he did then we would have an issue. But we don't.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 28/06/2017 15:48:35 2006955 Link 2 |
the bottom line is if it happened in a lesser game there would have been nothing about it.the louth lad was just used to "prove" that its happening at all levesl.it is not.i recently seen an umpire being "interfered" with after he failed to give a point..the reperters never reported it or i never heard any more about it..connolly is the most scrutinised player in ireland(lee keegan second) as was paul galvin before him..and jim gavin was dead right to say what he said. kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 28/06/2017 16:02:02 2006970 Link 4 |
Joe Brolly had a meltdown on live TV a few years ago when Sean Cavanagh dived against Monaghan. It was far worse than anything that was said about Connolly on TV. Am I right in thinking pundits should not make a comment on any incident until after the referee's report? Is that what people want? In that case the Sunday game will have to be moved to a Monday or Tuesday night. I think everyone needs to take a step back as this whole incident has been overblown and done to death. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 28/06/2017 16:36:26 2006988 Link 2 |
I agree with you Jay, its all down to poor refereeing.Connolly should have been sent off at the time end of story.
Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 28/06/2017 16:53:34 2006998 Link 1 |
yes your right," The Sunday Brawl" could be aired midweek. I think analysts should comment on everything because refs will miss stuff. Brolly/Dolan were unbelievable the other night though. They offered no punishment for Connolly for pushing official and blamed poor Pat.
maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 28/06/2017 16:55:10 2006999 Link 5 |
What Brolly done was throw a fit after an incident that was dealt with on the spot and is not comparable to the Connolly incident. Not that Connolly didn't do a silly thing but the linesman and ref were on hand and did feck all at the time. Their indecision was Inexplicable. For two intercounty standard referees to not be able to make the call on the spot is not good enough. When you get that sort of a scenario and the delay in taking action you are leaving the door wide open to the conspiracy theories. Brolly loves an aul kick at Spillane but sure you couldn't blame him too much for that as he's as blinkered a lad as you'd come across. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 28/06/2017 17:12:57 2007009 Link 4 |
If Dublin do win 3 in a row this season, will Gavin be labelled a genius for using this incident as a rallying cry? keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 28/06/2017 17:19:53 2007012 Link 0 |
I actually think Jim Gavin has come across foolish here. Pat Spillane was in no way wrong for bringing up the subject, it had been all over social media, including here before the sunday game aired. If it wasn't brought up as a significant moment in the match by the sunday game we would all be giving out for them ignoring it here. as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 28/06/2017 17:53:45 2007032 Link 2 |
Connolly becoming a liability. Dublin better off without him. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 28/06/2017 18:01:50 2007035 Link 0 |