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Tyrone v Cavan - Ulster Semi-Final

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I think JonSmith needs to take his head out of the sand. We team building here now since 2010/2011.. It's time to deliver. We haven't beaten one big side with this manager. There can be no more excuses. If we are serious about making it in the big time we need to start now by beating Tyrone.. It is a last chance saloon for this manager. After 4/5 Ulster u21 titles plus a minor title the least we should expect is an Ulster final appearance. In the 70s a hogan cup win in 72 and a minor win in 74 were the backbone for Ulster final appearances in 76 and 78. .. There is no more excuses left for this management .. If they can't perform this year it's time to move over and give someone else a chance to bring us to the next level.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 16/06/2016 21:36:38    1867918

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "I think JonSmith needs to take his head out of the sand. We team building here now since 2010/2011.. It's time to deliver. We haven't beaten one big side with this manager. There can be no more excuses. If we are serious about making it in the big time we need to start now by beating Tyrone.. It is a last chance saloon for this manager. After 4/5 Ulster u21 titles plus a minor title the least we should expect is an Ulster final appearance. In the 70s a hogan cup win in 72 and a minor win in 74 were the backbone for Ulster final appearances in 76 and 78. .. There is no more excuses left for this management .. If they can't perform this year it's time to move over and give someone else a chance to bring us to the next level."
Ah the 70s, what a great era where Cavan won zero in a truly pathetic standard in ulster.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1483 - 16/06/2016 21:44:36    1867928

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I believe this Cavan team are going to do us proud yet again on Sunday here's hoping for a performance to justify all the long hours spent training and recovering from injuries. We have a group of Men who are a credit to their Families , Clubs and County. Let us all get behind them early and often and be the 16th man they deserve.

rahanman (Cavan) - Posts: 127 - 16/06/2016 21:59:16    1867937

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Replying To fredflint:  "Ah the 70s, what a great era where Cavan won zero in a truly pathetic standard in ulster."
Well Fredflint at least they were getting to Ulster finals in the 70s and playing in the league semi final against the all Ireland champions at the time Dublin. How many Senior Ulster finals have we been competing in this past 10/15 years. How many Semi finals either??? Is this managements claim to fame in the championship beating London in the last 12??? Well wow! if it is.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 16/06/2016 22:48:33    1867964

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Unless he walks away himself, Terry will manage Cavan in Division 1 next year. The ultimatuns by those fascinated by him on the Internet won't change that. Enjoy the build up lads quit obsessing over our Manager!

No change in the named team for Sunday. I would expect one or two changes before throw in though. I think Murray will be lucky to keep his place.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 17/06/2016 09:26:32    1868016

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Awwwwwnow and Jonsmith have both relevant points. We have come a long long way in a few years. Unlike Cavan, Tyrone didn't get beaten by Waterford or just miss the drop to Div 4 by the skin of their teeth. They rebuilt slowly not making too many changes and MH evolved the team into the ruthless team they are now by playing Division 1 and 2 football and getting to the latter stages of the championship. Cavan blooded a lot of players in a very short space of time and while they seem to be coming of age now they need to progress further in the championship. Next year in Div 1 will be a great experience for a relatively young panel, but that's next year. Sunday is the big one. TH needs to learn from the mistakes in Croker and be able to analyse what he and his players did well and what they got wrong both on and off the field. As stated he needs a plan A & B (and maybe C) to overcome this Tyrone outfit. The Ulster championship is the hardest championship to come through but saying that Cavan needs to deliver in Ulster. Its Ulster's bread and butter and We have been away from the table for too long. The very best of luck to TH and Cavan on Sunday.

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 17/06/2016 09:51:38    1868025

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John, I have to agree with you regarding Terry Hyland, if he leaves at the end of the summer he will do so on his own terms. He has brought the team a long long way since we were hammered by Antrim in the last round of the league and only avoided the drop to Division 4 because Offaly also lost their last game.

Enjoy the build up to Sunday's game, Ulster Semi final day in Clones is where Cavan now belong! In Clarke, Dunne, McKiernan, Mackey and Reilly we have players to match anyone.

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 17/06/2016 10:03:00    1868031

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Replying To JonSmith:  "Unless he walks away himself, Terry will manage Cavan in Division 1 next year. The ultimatuns by those fascinated by him on the Internet won't change that. Enjoy the build up lads quit obsessing over our Manager!

No change in the named team for Sunday. I would expect one or two changes before throw in though. I think Murray will be lucky to keep his place."
surprised at that. also don't see the point of "selecting" Gearoid at centre forward if he is going to play the whole game at midfield like he did the last day. there are 1 or 2 on there that are lucky to keep their places. best of luck to all involved.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 17/06/2016 10:26:13    1868039

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Best of luck to Cavan on Sunday. Once again am calling on all Cavan support to get to Clones on Sunday and really get vocal in Support of the lads.
I think Cavan,both players and management will have learned more from their game in Croke Park and this should be a cracker.
Unlike Croker we really need to step up a gear in the last 10 minutes and when the game is on the line push on.
Remember lads "BELIEVE" "WE ARE CAVAN," "COME ON THE BREIFNE BLUES"

Joebe (Cavan) - Posts: 76 - 17/06/2016 10:38:39    1868047

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1983 - the last time Cavan beat Tyrone in an Ulster Championship game, 1983 lads, 33 years ago.

Realistically Cavan's win over Tyrone will not be in 2016 championship. We are too good this year, sorry guys.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 17/06/2016 13:40:58    1868169

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Im only goading lads

Its gonna be a very difficult game for us, I think it can go either way. As I said in the main forum the two teams are matched for skill, strength and speed. ITs going to be won on the sidelines.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 17/06/2016 14:04:49    1868185

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Lads I may be the only one who's more concerned about a decent performance more than the actual result. The reason being during the last 2 fixtures against Tyrone our performances where the exact same. By the same i mean reserved, over cautious and over thought. To me it seemed Cavan were playing within themselves but were bursting at the seams to be let free which they were against Armagh. We need a performance first and foremost, one that demonstrates our speed, skill and strength and not one that we have seen in the last two meetings. Our team is too strong to be playing within themselves, let them at it and see where it takes us. Id much rather lose having given them an almighty rattle as we did in 05 than lose in the same manner of the two previous defeats. Go hard or go home. Lets go lads!!

mystic meg (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 17/06/2016 20:04:43    1868316

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Replying To mystic meg:  "Lads I may be the only one who's more concerned about a decent performance more than the actual result. The reason being during the last 2 fixtures against Tyrone our performances where the exact same. By the same i mean reserved, over cautious and over thought. To me it seemed Cavan were playing within themselves but were bursting at the seams to be let free which they were against Armagh. We need a performance first and foremost, one that demonstrates our speed, skill and strength and not one that we have seen in the last two meetings. Our team is too strong to be playing within themselves, let them at it and see where it takes us. Id much rather lose having given them an almighty rattle as we did in 05 than lose in the same manner of the two previous defeats. Go hard or go home. Lets go lads!!"
If we get that decent performance we will get the result we need and want. I felt against Armagh we let them back in. They missed a peno, few frees close in. So if these went in it could have been closer. I know things have to happen for a team on the day but there things like disipline that are within our control. We need to try and avoid early yellow cards. Tyrone are masters at provoking the opposition. We also need to keep 15 players on the field. That's the main concern of mine . Learning from our past indiscipline . What mossy Corr did last year was inexcusable . Can't have a repeat of that. That's where I want to see improvement.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 17/06/2016 20:54:15    1868330

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I cant understand this business of naming a team during the week of a big match and then changing it around before the throw in on Sunday - i mean who do they think they re fooling - certainly not Tyrone. Everyone knows this is not the Cavan team that will line out. Its insulting to the fans for a start and certainly not doing the players any favours. I cant help noticing also how the younger up and coming players who played all the way through the league and Mc Kenna Cup ( ie ,Ciaran Brady, Buchannon and now Faulkner ) seem to be being dropped one by one in favour of the returning older guys such as Mackey , Flanagan R. Dunne and Mc Enroe. Maybe they will do the business - hopefully they will - but it does seem like a step backwards to me.

tenyearplan (Cavan) - Posts: 147 - 17/06/2016 23:17:23    1868374

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Good luck tomorrow lads. We can beat Tyrone. Believe.

shannon414 (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 18/06/2016 13:26:19    1868458

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Best of luck to Cavan tomorrow. It would be a great boost for the County and a good result for Terry to get us to an Ulster Final.
Incidentally seeing as it has been mentioned already in this thread if I was Terry I would retire at the end of this season. With Cavan in division One the only direction they can go is downwards .

marita (None) - Posts: 467 - 18/06/2016 15:44:09    1868475

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Best of luck to the lads tomorrow... Like other posters I can't understand the reason for naming a team and then putting out a changed side... I think Keating needs to start as he would add strength to our attack... Argue should be either on the edge of the square or well up in the stand as he offers little out the field... If we play anything like we did v. Armagh we will be well beaten as we didn't look too secure at the back.. We need to play at a high tempo and move the ball forward quickly to trouble this Tyrone team... Well done to the Ladies today..so lads go out tomorrow and let us have 2 teams to cheer on in Ulster Senior Finals..

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 18/06/2016 21:16:05    1868592

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Replying To Sean.66:  "Best of luck to the lads tomorrow... Like other posters I can't understand the reason for naming a team and then putting out a changed side... I think Keating needs to start as he would add strength to our attack... Argue should be either on the edge of the square or well up in the stand as he offers little out the field... If we play anything like we did v. Armagh we will be well beaten as we didn't look too secure at the back.. We need to play at a high tempo and move the ball forward quickly to trouble this Tyrone team... Well done to the Ladies today..so lads go out tomorrow and let us have 2 teams to cheer on in Ulster Senior Finals.."
I agree, Terry should tell Tyrone the team, the formation and tactics 3 days before the game.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1483 - 18/06/2016 22:13:25    1868634

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I agree with the posters expressing frustration at the regulars who get selected without needing to perform. However, I believe that this game is less about our selection and more about the way we play. If we park the bus, Tyrone will eventually break us down. If we take the game to them, like the league games before the final, I think we will win.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 460 - 18/06/2016 22:49:48    1868644

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Really excited about tomorrow. Really believe we can go on and beat Tyrone
Last 5 mins when the game is there for the taking is key. Push on lads.
The team that really believes will be team that wins.
Remember "Believe", "We are Cavan"

Joebe (Cavan) - Posts: 76 - 19/06/2016 00:56:25    1868659

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