Cavan_COYBIB
County: Cavan
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Just sums its up really most the team out last night and half them with fags in there hands how can u be taking seriousley when at that crap.

The more things change, the more they stay the same..............

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 05/07/2015 18:23:55    1747874

Yesterday evening signalled the culmination of 4 years of hype, hope and expectation but ultimately delivered nothing.

There is something fundamentally wrong with Cavan football. The club scene is in desperate condition, the standard in club games is diabolical, our county champions never make any sort of impact outside the county. The harsh reality is there are far too many clubs in Cavan. 42 should be cut to 32. Yeah, some clubs will have to fold, pride, tradition and history will have to be cast aside, but if we as a county are ever going to get out of this perennial misery then we have to act.

Much has been made of the u21 success. But it was rarely mentioned that these teams consistently failed outside the province. Four attempts, one final. Tyrone this year won the AI at that grade. We believed our own hype, and all we needed was a matter of time before we would take over Ulster again. This of course, was aided and abetted by a campaign of "the future is blue". Social media posts. Posters along roads. Flags behind the goals at matches. For a time, the Cavan faithful were drawn back, attracted by the prospect that heady days were going to return. I'll never forget the queue of cars on the Cavan side of Virginia in 2013 when we were headed for Croke Park. Finally, we had turned a corner, we had a manager who had vanquished the ills on which his predecessors perished. Our squad was settled, we were backboned by superb young talent coming through and there was pride back in the jersey. But it proved to be a one season wonder.

I felt that we should have parted ways with Hyland last year, because his negative philosophy had reached its inevitable conclusion with the team struggling to find any sort of balance or rhythm. One of the most fundamental aspects of gaelic football i.e kicking scores, became a rare luxury as players engaged in a rigid defensive philosophy which forbade expression on the ball, and prohibited individual talent and flair. Worryingly, attendances have dropped over the past 12 months. Monaghan and Roscommon comfortably outnumbered us on the stands on our home ground. I believe this is indicative of the disillusionment that many Cavan fans have felt with the direction of the current setup. Once upon a time the Breffni faithful bought into the project, but I think many began to see through it.

Going forward, it should not be underestimated the positive effect getting a new manager can have on a county. Look no further than Monaghan.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 05/07/2015 18:50:47    1747899

Ned and Cavan coybib

The players were entitled to a blowout last night. They don't have social lives for most of the year and will have club duty next so don't come down on them for a rare night out.

Ned, I agree with most of your posts, but feel you are a bit harsh. Yes, we need to improve club football,however, they did try divisional sides before in the 90's,didn't they?
Think that's the way to go. It's easy to look good on a poor club side. If we had divisional squads for a tournament even, the best players would stand out. I hope the county as a whole will stop moaning and instead through club delegates at county board level, try to bring new ideas, and maybe then, we will have hope.

Cluichepeil (Cavan) - Posts: 57 - 05/07/2015 20:11:43    1747956

Don't think things are as bad for Cavan as some of your fans are saying. Ye got a man sent off and up to that ye were lording it in mid field . I was disappointed with your forwards and especially big Argue in full forward. A big man but didn't do much yesterday. Hope he can fulfil his potential in the next few years. At least Mackey tried his best yesterday. Look we are no world beaters and we are way way off Dublin/Kerry yet. We have a young team so have ye and I hope ye still develop it in the next few years. Really sound people from Cavan at the game yesterday, great pitch and grounds, best of luck in the future and hopefully Cavan can be kings of Ulster again soon.

moros (Roscommon) - Posts: 1080 - 05/07/2015 20:25:40    1747971

Just a couple of points from the weekend...our attacking options were awful..high 50/50 ball in on argue seemed to be all...too easy to defend against...and argue couldnt even win passes into him. This lad is not a county footballer. Secondly i think Terry should give someone else a go for his own sake but huge credit has to given to him...before Terry took over we werent competing with teams, never mind winning. He is a cavan man and a proud one so respect to Terry for the job he has done!!

.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 05/07/2015 20:49:33    1747983

tribute on your two points there- I cant blame Argue, some of the balls that was sent into him last night was terrible and too slow, on the second point- we aren't competing with teams now either

goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 308 - 05/07/2015 21:16:23    1748008

Cluichepeil
County: Cavan
Posts: 15

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Ned and Cavan coybib

The players were entitled to a blowout last night. They don't have social lives for most of the year and will have club duty next so don't come down on them for a rare night out.

Ned, I agree with most of your posts, but feel you are a bit harsh. Yes, we need to improve club football,however, they did try divisional sides before in the 90's,didn't they?
Think that's the way to go. It's easy to look good on a poor club side. If we had divisional squads for a tournament even, the best players would stand out. I hope the county as a whole will stop moaning and instead through club delegates at county board level, try to bring new ideas, and maybe then, we will have hope.

Cluichepeil,

Admittedly I was only a nipper in the 90's so I wouldn't really know what they tried back then. Nobody in the county is moaning. The thing that should be worrying the CB is the huge fall in attendances. People are not going to pay for more heartache year after year.

Personally I am bitterly, bitterly disappointed that we were not able to capitalise on so much promise from 2013 and kick on to the next level. We are Cavan, we have huge tradition, a once upon a time fanatical following, and we don't even have the excuse that other counties have about competing with other sports. It pains me to see us where we are, struggling, threatening now and again to make a breakthrough only to crumble when the pressure is on. I do feel that there is a solid group of players there capable of so much better than they are showing. The question is, why didn't we beat Monaghan when we were in such a good position? The answer is we have a huge weight of "we don't deserve this" lingering over us. An inferiority complex. That's entirely understandable, we've been among the whipping boys of Ulster for decades. Well guess what, at one stage Monaghan may well have felt the same before Malachy O'Rourke took over. They had a mental block upon sight of a Tyrone jersey, now they beat them routinely. There is no disputing Hyland did some good things, but he was never able to install a mental resolve into the players. We need a Jimmy McGuiness esque figure, and although we're never going to get Jimmy, James Horan is the next best thing and every bit as capable a manager.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 05/07/2015 21:55:47    1748045

Well Rossies got Fermanagh and kildare got Longford oh what might have been so so gutted

asitis (Cavan) - Posts: 233 - 06/07/2015 08:48:40    1748058

Not good enough to progress any further, no plan B when the high ball on top of Argue didn't work. Roscommon had to much pace and power for the defence and we looked very venerable at times. We need new management with new ideas, the ball needs to be moved up the pitch at a much greater pace if we are to progress and compete with div 1 teams. A lot of young players that have ability but needs new management to bring them on, any management that can't integrate and develop a player like Martin Dunne into the team-needs to go.

McGiolla (Cavan) - Posts: 42 - 06/07/2015 09:23:33    1748083

Gutted for the lads on Saturday evening. Still hurting. Id say lads really hurting as they didn't do themselves justice. However mistakes were made and costly mistakes.
Cant see why Farrelly wasn't in goals? if Galligan is in for frees then how many did he take? Short kick outs are a waste of time as it gives us possession at the wrong end of the field with 15 defenders in front of us. First time I seen McEnroe have a poor game but he was out of position. Good performances from McVeety, Murray, and Ronan Flanagan, and Barry Reilly when came on (Barry is hot and cold but when he gets a good start he can have a stormer). He was robbed by the Ref of a wonder point from sideline ball. Unfortunately the rest didn't deliver and our defence was not up to speed. The lads didn't do themselves justice. If Hyland stays on or goes the Players need to stick together on this one as this is a great panel of players that have success behind them and a discipline that wasn't there 5-10 years ago. The deadwood has been taken from the panel 4 years ago and this can only be added to with a good minor and U-16 teamscoming through. Keep it going lads, there a supporters that will keep following and encouraging ye. An Cabhan Abu

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 06/07/2015 09:27:46    1748089

Very disappointed after Saturdays game - once again the live TV jinxed us ..!

Questions/thoughts ...

- why was our full forward left on so long when it was not working ..? Same as in the Meath league game another of our forwards was having a stinker and he was left on .. are our management blind ..?

- Our discipline is poor, you cannot thump another player and hope to get away with it, just cannot be done

- Smith was let run for half the field for the second goal ... no way would that happen to Tyrone or other top teams, we are not clued in to this take one for the team and save a goal

- We have no one to take frees, missed 2 45's compare that to the kerry v cork game on sunday, the standard was class in windy conditions ... if our keeper was there to take them, why didnt he ..?

- How many times did we kick the ball into the rossies hands ..? mackey did it twice if not 3 times and others were guilty of that too

- take mcvetty, mackey and martin reilly out of that cavan team and we are a poor outfit ... they were the only ones that showed a bit of class or a bit of urgency and can beat a defender, yea they made mistakes but at least they tried and got some good scores between them ... it seems that if they don't perform then cavan dont perform.

Agree with other posters in that we need a management team that can bring us to the next level

sidelineview (Cavan) - Posts: 109 - 06/07/2015 11:00:00    1748176

Yet again, we had a promising position v Ross at half time and yet again, we gave Enda Smith the freedom of Breffni Park to orchestrate our demise. We learned nothing from last year. McEnroe struggled on him from the start but was kept on him for the whole game. Worse still, I don't think the Mgnt team even saw it. 2 - 1 from play and set up a lot more for others. Losing Corr was a blow to discipline at this level, such a stupid thing to do, but it did not cost us the match. Poor matchups, selecting favourites despite lack of form, indecisiveness, poor decision making - especially at half time, and no offensive plan B once the high ball wasn't working, that's what cost us the match. And we had the usual unacceptable behaviour from Forde.

Worrying now is that the manager appears to be kicking for touch until the dust settles to see if he can extract another year out of it. This is a time for Leadership and initiative from the county board. Kerry did it with a legend like Paidi O'Se, no shirking of responsibility there. The decision for Terry to go should be made by the county board now and the search for the new mgnt started immediately. The Players and the supporters deserve better.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 460 - 06/07/2015 11:28:54    1748231

Hard luck to the lads . Tried hard for the most part but just not good enough . We'll dust ourselves down and move on .

A few observations . Unfortunately our panel is still threadbare when it comes to the important positions on the team and players that you would class as leaders . We cannot afford to be without players like Rory Dunne , Killian Clarke and Alan Clarke . We have decent players that can do a job covering but when all are missing we're in trouble . Our defence looked all over the shop and were pulled completely out of shape against Roscommon .
We , for the most part , lost all the 50 50 contests and loose ball against Roscommon . Roscommon looked fitter and stronger . We struggled to even break tackles when in possession . Again , no use crying over spilt milk , but players like Josh Hayes , Givney , Timmoney , Faulkner could make a difference and add a bit of power and directness . I suppose it comes down to leaders again or players taking responsibility . It just looked to me that a lot of players were waiting for something to happen from the team - they needed something to feed off and get themselves going . There weren't enough players on the field to take the bull by the horns and get us moving though .
Our forwards . Well what can you say - nothing new learned here or nothing we haven't come to expect . We are really lacking in quality forwards . Don't get me wrong , we have some nice players but not a top quality forward in sight . No one to get out and make a ball stick - no one to turn a defender and exploit space - no one to run at defences . Can some develop with age ? Who knows ! Are there players to come in or come through ? Again who knows . But as we stand we're a long way off winning anything or getting to Croker for last eight on merit . I think staying in Division 2 for a while should be the main focus and hope for a lucky draw in the championship for all the good it did :) . Might not go down well with some of our Walter Mitty type following but that's the reality unfortunately .
What management will be in place to lead us next year ? Again , it's a bit up in the air at present . I wouldn't be unhappy if Terry stays on next year if that's what he wants to do . Likewise , if he's had enough and PROVIDING we get someone practical in then I wouldn't be too disappointed to see him go . But I would be worried at some of the names being touted and the route some people would like to take us down . We are not a premiership club with a sugar daddy arab owner . Hiring someone who commands big money and colossal mileage will have consequences in terms of football development and underage resources . I would far rather have a Cavan man in charge and have big development squads and underage panels with a view to the long term than have some media whore in who only wants to flog us for a year or two . I sincerely hope the CB don't blink or do anything rash if a new appointment is needed . They've started down a long term plan - they need to stick to their guns and see where it goes . We know the other route only too well .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 06/07/2015 12:04:39    1748288

sidelineview
County: Cavan
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- We have no one to take frees, missed 2 45's compare that to the kerry v cork game on sunday, the standard was class in windy conditions ... if our keeper was there to take them, why didnt he ..?

I'm sorry but I must pick you up on this. I don't like it when people tell untruths. If you watched that game between Cork and Kerry you will have seen that both teams missed 45's Colm O'Neill missed a crucial one at the end which actually cost Cork the game as he left it short. I', pretty sure Bryan Sheehan missed one in the first half and I am certain that James O' Donoghue missed one towards the end too. So even the "best are cabable of missing the them" I think Barry Reilly hit the upright with one (was there another one). I know Martin reilly missed a long range free on the stroke of half time. Not sure why Galligan didn't take them , if that's what he is there for. I kind of get the impression that the outfield players resent Galligan coming in and taking over after Gilsenan/Farrelly had put in all the hours with the squad this past couple of years. (I might be wrong though). anyway B. Reilly is well capable of kicking long-range frees . If Michael Murphy had scored that point from the sideline that he scored then the media would be raving about it, yet they barely mentioned it and it it wasn't even shown on the highlights . just because the ref dissalowed it for square ball doesn't mean it was any less worthy. anyway what a stupid rule, how can someone in the square effect the ball going over the bar.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 06/07/2015 12:06:06    1748291

s goldrick

Yep sheehan missed one but that was from ~50 meters (it was a free in rather than a 45) so We can let him off for that and oneill missed one at the end (pressure was on - a bit like galligan against monaghan), odonoghue missed one but he only took that cause their proper long ranger free taker sheehan was off - they are human so can miss one but they put over the others. Murphy as well might miss the odd one but generally he pops them over for donegal.

We had 3 45's and missed them all (including reillys of the post - its still a miss) - plus its not just Saturday, its all year we are missing these frees, yep you might say martin reilly scored a crucial one to draw the league game with the rossies but we miss too many of them in general. Obviously the management think the same else why is galligan there ..?

Totally agree that reillys kick was class but it was the same in the county final last year, his free taking was top drawer - don't understand why he is not getting more playing time maybe some of the other posters are correct in saying that there are favourites on the team ...

sidelineview (Cavan) - Posts: 109 - 06/07/2015 12:36:03    1748330

S Goldrick
I would be inclined to agree with you on the keeper situation there certainly is not the same communication between galligan and players as there was with Gilsenan and the backs there was constant communication ray is a nice lad but in all fairness he doesnt think like a keeper he should have been trying to aim for big G cant understand why someone didnt tell him too know he was put in as a free taker but he has not impressed me too much and feel those first two goals were savable all in all i can understand how the lads feel when Gilsenan and Farrelly by passed one of them could be next those bunch of lads were a very tight group any way cant be changed maybe someone will wise up over winter

asitis (Cavan) - Posts: 233 - 06/07/2015 14:58:39    1748529

asitis
County: Cavan
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1748058 Well Rossies got Fermanagh and kildare got Longford oh what might have been so so gutted

This comment shows that some of us have learned NOTHING. Cavan now rank well behind these 4 teams. That is the reality.
If you allow the people in charge to believe any different then things will not change any time soon.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 06/07/2015 15:31:01    1748591

1748058 Well Rossies got Fermanagh and kildare got Longford oh what might have been so so gutted

This comment shows that some of us have learned NOTHING. Cavan now rank well behind these 4 teams. That is the reality.
If you allow the people in charge to believe any different then things will not change any time soon.

Cavan, a Division 2 team, are ranked lower than Kildare who were relegated to Division 3 and Longford, who were promoted to Division 3. This reality you speak of, does anyone other than yourself exist in this reality?

If the draw for the last round had been Cavan v Offaly and Roscommon v Longford and say Cavan and Roscommon progressed, would Cavan then be ranked ahead of Longford due to the luck of the draw? Please tell me the reality.

Skelling (USA) - Posts: 289 - 06/07/2015 15:38:54    1748604

Madge king
Am i not entitled to be gutted ,its my personal feeling , i personally think a lot of mistakes have been made by selectors and management of late i cant do any thing about that but im still gutted

asitis (Cavan) - Posts: 233 - 06/07/2015 15:44:21    1748615

Lads I understand you are gutted, believe me I'm on that train. Its more the idea of 'what might have been' that I have an issue with. Are we basically saying 'if only we'd beaten Roscommon then we'd have Fermanagh which is a game we would win handy'?

Two things wrong with this. First, we were whipped by Roscommon so we should not be indulging in the 'if only' talk at all. Second, Fermanagh are in the next round on merit and would likely beat us on current form. Ok Kildare were relegated but I seem to remember them beating us with a bit to spare in the league. So of the teams in the 3A draw, we are maybe better than Longford but behind the rest. That is the reality. Who outside Cavan will remember anything we did in this year's league and championship, except for the Corr sending off? Now 'argue' against that!

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 06/07/2015 16:33:03    1748678