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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "It's comical to suggest we're on the same level as Donegal. They wiped the floor with us in last year's championship without breaking a sweat.

I'd also highlight the fact that we haven't beaten Monaghan recently."
I said "perhaps" Donegal & Monaghan have come down to our level.

Not us getting to their level.

Monaghan had a poor enough league and are an oldish team.

Donegal also didn't blow D2 away either.

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 173 - 01/05/2019 16:10:47    2181302

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Replying To PatTheDandy:  "I said "perhaps" Donegal & Monaghan have come down to our level.

Not us getting to their level.

Monaghan had a poor enough league and are an oldish team.

Donegal also didn't blow D2 away either."
Why would you say that though?

Donegal are clearly a step above us, are you aware we played them less than a year ago and got trounced? So what evidence do you have for your suggestion? It's illogical.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 342 - 01/05/2019 16:26:34    2181305

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Replying To PatTheDandy:  "I said "perhaps" Donegal & Monaghan have come down to our level.

Not us getting to their level.

Monaghan had a poor enough league and are an oldish team.

Donegal also didn't blow D2 away either."
Dublin didn't blow away Division One either, does that mean they wont have a good championship?

Remember how we got on in the Championship after last few promotions, as I said before, the league is merely an exercise for the big teams to try out new players and tactics.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 440 - 01/05/2019 16:57:25    2181310

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Dublin didn't blow away Division One either, does that mean they wont have a good championship?

Remember how we got on in the Championship after last few promotions, as I said before, the league is merely an exercise for the big teams to try out new players and tactics."
I would think Dublin's poor league would suggest they are much more beatable this year and lacking the same strength in depth as previous years.

Again I will reiterate that I used the word "perhaps" and wasn't make statements that I was sure of anything but am merely suspecting that we have consolidated our position of yoyo team between top D2 and bottom D1 and that Monaghan and Donegal might not be as far ahead as many think.

The likes of McGlynn & Murphy and others have a lot of football played at this stage to be leading what is essentially a rebuilding project for Donegal. McBrearty wont be right this year if he's about. And the forwards they discovered, while they are probably better than ours are not just of the same standard.

Monaghan's bigger players are all flirting with being past their peak also.

I don't see us winning an Ulster title because I think Tyrone are a tier 1 team, and if there is a team to beat them in Ulster then they will beat us too.

But it may just be the case that Monaghan and Donegal are only middling as well this year.

That's all I'm saying, and therefore that Monaghan could be there for the taking if our forwards could stand up and get us to a 1-15 tally that might be enough to get us over the line..

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 173 - 02/05/2019 09:28:30    2181385

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Replying To supermon:  "So what is new this year apart from a manager? I just cannot see Cavan make an Ulster Final. I would love to see a resurgent Cavan, even though I love beating ye. But when ye are playing any other team, I always love to see Cavan winning."
and to Cavan_Shambles
I'll try and simplify this. last year for example against Donegal they were favourites and rightly so. they were a div 1 team and had been showing good form, we on the other hand yet again failed to win a league title and got out of what in my opinion was an easy enough div 2. add to that Dara Mc Veetys injury and we had little or no hope of winning.
this year we're playing (on league placings) a fellow div 1 team that's missing their two first choice midfielders. On the other side of the draw is a div 2 and 3 team. we may have got hammered by Monaghan in the league but we done the same to them in 2013 and monaghan came and beat us in the championship. so yes, this is one of those years where there should and is a realistic chance of an ulster final appearance.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 371 - 02/05/2019 11:10:30    2181405

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Monaghan are clearly ahead of us as are Donegal. They have superior firepower and even without this they would still be a bit stronger than us. But we have room for improvement with plenty of young talent and hopefully we make a few waves in Championship this year. Cavan/Monaghan is always a tight affair regardless of where either county is at and I don't see this year being any different. I would love to see a victory here not only for the obvious reason but I think a semi final v Down/Armagh would be a fantastic occasion for this young team and a truer reflection of where they are at especially as they would have to carry a bit of hype into it and probably a favourites tag.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 02/05/2019 11:11:40    2181406

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Kieran Hughes and Niall Kearns have returned in club action over the last few days. Both seem to have been managed by county management team to get game time in just before the championship starts. Niall Kerans scored 3 points on his return for Sean's while Kieran Hughes returned with 1-3 last night.
It remains to be if either or both of them will be fit for 70 minutes in the middle come the 18th of May.
Both are massive boosts for Monaghan.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1824 - 02/05/2019 13:56:53    2181443

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "Kieran Hughes and Niall Kearns have returned in club action over the last few days. Both seem to have been managed by county management team to get game time in just before the championship starts. Niall Kerans scored 3 points on his return for Sean's while Kieran Hughes returned with 1-3 last night.
It remains to be if either or both of them will be fit for 70 minutes in the middle come the 18th of May.
Both are massive boosts for Monaghan."
Thank you for the update.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 427 - 02/05/2019 14:16:02    2181452

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Cavan have every chance of beating Monaghan on the 18th provided they have ironed out the free taking problems, reduce the concession of frees and also they need to add in a couple of surprises as the lineout has become fairly predictable in recent times. Certainly Cavan need to come up with a better plan and gameplay for our inside forwards, example do we put a big man on the square ,do we put McAveety inside with a big man, or inside with someone like Caoimhin Reilly,Some of these have been tried by previous management ,it will take something unpredictable to swing it for Cavan .Probably need 2 or 3 game plans to vary it .

celt2018 (Cavan) - Posts: 157 - 03/05/2019 13:59:53    2181663

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "Thank you for the update."
I'd say that was the last thing you wanted to hear !

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 151 - 04/05/2019 02:22:43    2181772

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "Monaghan are clearly ahead of us as are Donegal. They have superior firepower and even without this they would still be a bit stronger than us. But we have room for improvement with plenty of young talent and hopefully we make a few waves in Championship this year. Cavan/Monaghan is always a tight affair regardless of where either county is at and I don't see this year being any different. I would love to see a victory here not only for the obvious reason but I think a semi final v Down/Armagh would be a fantastic occasion for this young team and a truer reflection of where they are at especially as they would have to carry a bit of hype into it and probably a favourites tag."
It's not really a young team anymore. Mackey, Martin Reilly and Galligan are 31/32. McKiernan is 29. Killian Clarke, McVeety and Jason McClaughlin, aren't youngsters.. Mid twenties. 25/26.

It's time to deliver, no more excuses about being a young team.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 1833 - 04/05/2019 10:55:00    2181806

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "It's not really a young team anymore. Mackey, Martin Reilly and Galligan are 31/32. McKiernan is 29. Killian Clarke, McVeety and Jason McClaughlin, aren't youngsters.. Mid twenties. 25/26.

It's time to deliver, no more excuses about being a young team."
We've blooded a good few youngsters last few years especially up front which has been our Achilles heel. If we are to do anything in championship someone is going to have to make a name for themselves up front. I take your point about there being plenty of experience elsewhere in the team.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 04/05/2019 16:58:32    2181840

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "Thank you for the update."
Hughes kicking 1-3 must be good news for Monaghan for it was reported both Hughes would not be involved on the 18th May.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4495 - 05/05/2019 09:28:33    2181905

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "Hughes kicking 1-3 must be good news for Monaghan for it was reported both Hughes would not be involved on the 18th May."
Apparently it was against Currin in a league match. I would fancy hitting 1-3 against them myself !

Kearns is a very good player but he surely can't be match fit after his health issues, probably the same with Ciaran Hughes. Cavan management will not be wasting time speculating if these lads will make it. It will probably be McAdam and Fintan Kelly to start for Monaghan from what I hear.

So Cavan will definitely have the advantage in midfield in 2 weeks time. The 'plus one' with Gearoid in midfield is the bigger question. Galligan gets the nod IMO.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 427 - 05/05/2019 10:47:31    2181912

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Galligan has been out the past 2 months, dislocated his shoulder..

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 1833 - 05/05/2019 15:18:57    2181961

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Just on a sidenote, it's a little over 4 years since St Pat's ended a 43 year wait to win a MacRory Cup (Under 19.5). Team that played is below, I think it's fair to say our county senior team hasn't seen the impact from these boys yet that we might've expected.

St Pat's Cavan - F O'Rourke; D Lunney, D Monaghan, L Fortune; D Kennedy, C McManus, JJ McGovern; T Galligan, B Argue; P Smith, P Leddy, M McKenna; C Smith, B Conaty, T Donohoe. Subs: R O'Neill for Conaty, D Brady for Leddy, P O'Reilly for Lunney, S Fortune for Fortune, B Sheanon for O'Neill, J Veale for McKenna.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 288 - 05/05/2019 21:51:14    2182037

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I am told Cian Madden is flying at the moment. Is he on the Senior or U20 panel?

Any word on who is looking like starting as our inside forwards for us?

Jack Brady playing at cb for Ramor, hardly great practise for him starting inside for the county..

I see Kevin Tierney is not playing for Ballyhaise so is obviously still on the panel and being minded? Didn't get much game time in the league either. Will he be used against Monaghan?

How many minutes is Mackey fit for or looking like getting?

Any word on what the starting team might be from challenge games or anything?

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 173 - 07/05/2019 16:53:21    2182337

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I see a some county panelists were allowed play for there clubs at the weekend. Does that mean these players arent been considered for monaghan or where they in need of games?

I see Seanie Johnston racked up a big score for his club is he back on the panel?

Breffni81 (Cavan) - Posts: 163 - 08/05/2019 12:46:42    2182459

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Replying To Breffni81:  "I see a some county panelists were allowed play for there clubs at the weekend. Does that mean these players arent been considered for monaghan or where they in need of games?

I see Seanie Johnston racked up a big score for his club is he back on the panel?"
Thomas Galligan played with a dislocated shoulder, apparently...

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 427 - 08/05/2019 21:44:29    2182606

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Replying To PatTheDandy:  "I am told Cian Madden is flying at the moment. Is he on the Senior or U20 panel?

Any word on who is looking like starting as our inside forwards for us?

Jack Brady playing at cb for Ramor, hardly great practise for him starting inside for the county..

I see Kevin Tierney is not playing for Ballyhaise so is obviously still on the panel and being minded? Didn't get much game time in the league either. Will he be used against Monaghan?

How many minutes is Mackey fit for or looking like getting?

Any word on what the starting team might be from challenge games or anything?"
Kevin Tierney played for Ballyhaise on Saturday against Drumlane

Cavan_Ned (Cavan) - Posts: 79 - 09/05/2019 09:50:25    2182657

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