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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Kerry type system involves amalgamation teams. So if an amalgamation team won the championship they can't represent the county in the Ulster club.
Clubs in Cavan can't agree so amalgamations certainly won't work even though on paper it seems an idea worth trying. In reality... never work"
It hasn't stopped the Harps/Slashers amalgamation representing Cavan in Ulster ;)



Seriously tho, I think clubs would go for an amalgamated championship in april if it could be run off in 4 weeks and if the existing club championship was left alone.

16 teams, straight knockout over 4 weeks.

The biggest opposition would come from the county team management who wouldn't want their players injured. You can't please everyone.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3620 - 02/05/2019 18:21:13    2181503

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Killygarry missing a few, but that was a Gaels team without 6/7 of their regulars and a 17 yr old in the team.
They threw away a big lead against Cootehill this weekend when they took their foot off the pedal, but I've no doubt, once they have everyone back, they will be team to beat.
Castlerahan going well, first loss for Crosserlough, but the makings of a good championship, unfortunately, we have to wait another 4 months before it starts, whilst a lot of Counties have 3/4 rounds of club championship played already."
A typical Cavan gaels post. Havent seen them since after league final loss last year and they only lasted till they kicked a ball in championship and it went quiet again.

EastCavan (Cavan) - Posts: 180 - 02/05/2019 19:52:48    2181530

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Replying To cavanman47:  "It hasn't stopped the Harps/Slashers amalgamation representing Cavan in Ulster ;)



Seriously tho, I think clubs would go for an amalgamated championship in april if it could be run off in 4 weeks and if the existing club championship was left alone.

16 teams, straight knockout over 4 weeks.

The biggest opposition would come from the county team management who wouldn't want their players injured. You can't please everyone."
Just to explain Cavan Gaels were formed as a club in 1957 so your Harps/ Slashers comment is totally irrelevant to this .
Secondly I see where your coming from with the amalgamation but don't think there would be enough interest in it to run it along side the current system as another championship.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 969 - 02/05/2019 20:43:16    2181534

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Kerry type system involves amalgamation teams. So if an amalgamation team won the championship they can't represent the county in the Ulster club.
Clubs in Cavan can't agree so amalgamations certainly won't work even though on paper it seems an idea worth trying. In reality... never work"
That scenario wouldn't be an issue. If Crokes retain the county championship later in the year they will represent Kerry in Munster. If an amalgamation wins, Stacks will represent Kerry by virtue of their win on Sunday. Same would be true in Cavan.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 02/05/2019 21:07:12    2181536

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "That scenario wouldn't be an issue. If Crokes retain the county championship later in the year they will represent Kerry in Munster. If an amalgamation wins, Stacks will represent Kerry by virtue of their win on Sunday. Same would be true in Cavan."
The issue would be agreement ,? Do you honestly believe 2/3/4 clubs would agree regarding team management? Team selection? Etc ? Because if you do you don't know much about Cavan club football

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 969 - 03/05/2019 06:19:28    2181565

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "That scenario wouldn't be an issue. If Crokes retain the county championship later in the year they will represent Kerry in Munster. If an amalgamation wins, Stacks will represent Kerry by virtue of their win on Sunday. Same would be true in Cavan."
Yea but the Kerry County Board know what they're doing.....

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 422 - 03/05/2019 06:52:39    2181566

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Just to explain Cavan Gaels were formed as a club in 1957 so your Harps/ Slashers comment is totally irrelevant to this .
Secondly I see where your coming from with the amalgamation but don't think there would be enough interest in it to run it along side the current system as another championship."
Was said in jest, hence the. . ;)



I think you could give clubs an incentive to take it seriously; just a quick thought - the league format of the current senior championship is one I like and I think most fans like it too, so I think it'll be around for a few years. Maybe the winners of the amalgamation championship could be worth 2 points to each of the clubs that make up the amalgamation in the normal club championship.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3620 - 03/05/2019 09:38:07    2181582

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "The issue would be agreement ,? Do you honestly believe 2/3/4 clubs would agree regarding team management? Team selection? Etc ? Because if you do you don't know much about Cavan club football"
Of course it would be tricky but it works in Kerry. I don't know who manages the amalgamations down there, if it's one of the individual club managers or an entirely independent manager, but if you got enough people to buy into it and more importantly got the players buying into it, then the naysayers would lose their influence. And I think people in general would be interested in seeing the best players in the county playing against each other in the same competition.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 03/05/2019 12:26:09    2181630

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Replying To JamsieMac:  "Yea but the Kerry County Board know what they're doing....."
Easy to blame the CB for everything but clubs are the bigger obstacle here. Of course CB could go into full dictator mode but that might cause bigger problems. It's a pity because an all inclusive county championship would be good for players and spectators alike.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 03/05/2019 12:31:59    2181632

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "The issue would be agreement ,? Do you honestly believe 2/3/4 clubs would agree regarding team management? Team selection? Etc ? Because if you do you don't know much about Cavan club football"
They seem quite happy to do it at underage level, why not at senior. Imagine having a senior championship of Dromloman Gaels, Lough oughter ,Oliver Plunketts, Southern Gaels, Dernacrieve, Trinity Gaels ,Blackwater ,St Joes etc.

aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 219 - 03/05/2019 13:18:38    2181650

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Replying To aceofspades:  "They seem quite happy to do it at underage level, why not at senior. Imagine having a senior championship of Dromloman Gaels, Lough oughter ,Oliver Plunketts, Southern Gaels, Dernacrieve, Trinity Gaels ,Blackwater ,St Joes etc."
Unfortunately not all members agree to amalgamations, you have a bunch of old codgers in every club dead against amalgamations simply because of pure ignorance and little knowledge of how the game has changed.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 440 - 03/05/2019 14:31:02    2181677

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Replying To aceofspades:  "They seem quite happy to do it at underage level, why not at senior. Imagine having a senior championship of Dromloman Gaels, Lough oughter ,Oliver Plunketts, Southern Gaels, Dernacrieve, Trinity Gaels ,Blackwater ,St Joes etc."
Yes it works to a point at underage. Of course there's always one or two that cross the line but locals for either club generally come to a reasonable understanding for the benefit of clubs and players involved. Senior might be trickier though when it comes to having an outsider manager and remuneration. Who foots the bills and does a separate club have to be setup to front the amalgamation with new secretaries, financial officers etc.? Would be interested if anyone knows how exactly all that works in Kerry?

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 03/05/2019 14:31:39    2181678

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The Kerry and Cork 'amalgamations' are not really amalgamations at all, they are divisional teams selected from numerous inter and junior clubs in a particular region. It is set up to manage the scale and geography in these counties. Each division has it's own junior championship with winners competing at county level. Some divisions could have 12+ clubs from which the senior champ representative side is picked. The divisions have their own board and secretariat, counties within the county if you like. It is a world away from welding two or three neighbouring junior teams together. Cavan doesn't have the breadth of clubs to make it necessary for divisions.
By the way, with all this in place, which NFL division will Cork footballers operate in next year??

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 427 - 03/05/2019 20:17:36    2181735

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It's run better in Kerry. They have only 8 Senior teams and 4 Divisional teams, whereas Cork have around 16, excluding the Colleges and Divisional teams . Kerry dominate at All Ireland level at Intermediate and Junior, club, as the 9th place team in Kerry would be a Senior team in most other Counties

They run it

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 1832 - 03/05/2019 21:49:04    2181750

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I suppose clubs with county men might feel slightly hard done by with the way the league has gone for them to start with this year but I think overall, at least the county board have allowed the league games to continue to run weekly which I think is more important in the overall scheme of things given the long periods without football the club players have faced in previous years and are likely to face again if Cavan get an extended run in the c'ship this year.

Ballinagh brought back down to earth at the weekend by the Gaels who can still rack up a big score on an ON day..

Suprisingly good starts and results for Knockbride, Cornafean & Bboro in D2 also who wouldn't have been regarded as powerhouses of the division. Perhaps one of them can sustain the charge and be a surprise entry to D1 next year.. I would go with Ballyhaise the top the pile still at the moment.

There is likely to be surprise relegations in both D1 and D2 this year by the looks of it..

D3 would still appear a 2 horse race that should be without any drama.

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 173 - 07/05/2019 17:07:10    2182339

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What way is relegation in the leagues working this year?
Last year it was bottom straight down, then 4th bottom vs 3rd bottom and loser played 2nd bottom?

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 154 - 08/05/2019 09:12:35    2182417

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Replying To theDagger1986:  "What way is relegation in the leagues working this year?
Last year it was bottom straight down, then 4th bottom vs 3rd bottom and loser played 2nd bottom?"
Bottom straight down, 2nd & 3rd bottom playoff for relegation

ballygowanwater (Cavan) - Posts: 197 - 10/05/2019 08:37:27    2182870

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Any particular reason belturbet are dragging knockbride to ballyconnell for their league game when more convenient grounds for both teams are available like butlersbridge or drumalee?

Overlord (USA) - Posts: 32 - 17/05/2019 00:08:05    2184770

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Replying To Overlord:  "Any particular reason belturbet are dragging knockbride to ballyconnell for their league game when more convenient grounds for both teams are available like butlersbridge or drumalee?"
Both of those teams you mentioned would appear to have home games this weekend as well.

Maybe Belturbet just have a pitch share agreement with Ballyconnell for the year no matter who they are playing, like the San Siro..

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 173 - 17/05/2019 10:57:18    2184841

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Replying To PatTheDandy:  "Both of those teams you mentioned would appear to have home games this weekend as well.

Maybe Belturbet just have a pitch share agreement with Ballyconnell for the year no matter who they are playing, like the San Siro.."
Both drumalee and butlersbridge games were friday evening.
Belturbet play knockbride on saturday.
Looks like belturbet chose to bring knockbride to ballyconnell instead of applying commonsense and play the game at a more convenient venue for all players and supporters

Overlord (USA) - Posts: 32 - 18/05/2019 01:24:23    2185106

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