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In Aughrim, a Cavan panellist came up to the back of the terrace 20 minutes before throw in with a Cavan selector and manned a video recorder right up until throw in, at which time he focussed it on the Cavan keeper and defence, then made his way back to the dugout and wasn't seen again. Any idea what on earth that was about?! Seems bizarre that any player should be required to be doing that.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 291 - 11/06/2018 18:27:41    2110158

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Replying To ponger:  "All the optimism on this page.. never mind the glass half full or empty ..there is no glass at all...

Anyhow we did all the work in the first half into the wind against Wicklow and to me it was quite structured how we went about our business. It was patient and we waited for opening, not saying i agree with it but thats the way it was played. It was different than against Donegal where we played much more open football which cost us. I know it was Wicklow but i thought we were savage disciplined with our tackling.

I think we will have enough for Down, its by no means a dead cert but we have another game under our belt since exiting Ulster compared to them."
Have to agree with your analysis of the Wicklow match and as far as Mattie is concerned he has taken a much weaker panel (compared to what we had in 2016) back to Division 1 and deserves a bit of credit.

TheFean (Cavan) - Posts: 13 - 11/06/2018 18:47:03    2110176

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Replying To ponger:  "All the optimism on this page.. never mind the glass half full or empty ..there is no glass at all...

Anyhow we did all the work in the first half into the wind against Wicklow and to me it was quite structured how we went about our business. It was patient and we waited for opening, not saying i agree with it but thats the way it was played. It was different than against Donegal where we played much more open football which cost us. I know it was Wicklow but i thought we were savage disciplined with our tackling.

I think we will have enough for Down, its by no means a dead cert but we have another game under our belt since exiting Ulster compared to them."
Well after years of our county board promising us "The future is blue" it's sad to see they were indeed proven 100% accurate with that contention. Because I get the blues when I see our talent being squandered.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 353 - 11/06/2018 18:52:03    2110184

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Didn't hear you calling for the last managers head at any stage during his abysmal 5 years in charge....."
No matter where you are in Cavan you will never be more than 6 feet away from an u21 player than Hyland played on the Senior team

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 11/06/2018 19:35:41    2110200

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Overall its not a bad draw. I was just hoping to avoid monaghan and tipp. Tipp would love to get one over on us and have a point to prove after the no show against Cork.
I would fancy our chances against Down . I think we will be favorites and a recent trend of our senior team has been to win the games when we are favorites. We struggle and rarely ever win when are underdogs anymore.
There is plenty of reason to be cheerful, if we can get over the line against Down and get a nice draw in round 3 I would fancy our chances against any of the provincial losers. ( Laois, Fermanagh , Cork or Roscommon ) Lets get behind the lads we could have a long summer yet .

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 135 - 11/06/2018 20:02:34    2110209

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Didn't hear you calling for the last managers head at any stage during his abysmal 5 years in charge....."
When was the last time we played well under Mattie? We played poorly against a poor Wicklow side that we should have put to the sword completely. We were poor against Donegal, men against boys stuff. We were completely outclassed against Roscommon in the League Final. Tipperary outplayed us for most of the final game in Breffni and I think the only time we lead that game was when we kicked the winner. We were average against Roscommon in the League proper when we were again outclassed in the final stages. We played some decent stuff against Down but were tore open at the back and needed a masterclass from Galligan in goals.

Was the Cork game the last game we actually put in a comprehensive tactical performance? Other than that it's been individual effort and spirit from the players that has made us competitive and got us results.
Compare that to 2016 where we had a very clear game plan, kickout strategy, experienced substitutes who offered something different and could be relied upon.

Mattie has not improved Cavan one bit, it's blatantly obvious we have gone backwards from where Terry left the team in 2016. He needs big results to keep the position. Beating Down isn't that big result but it would be a start.

JonSmith (Cavan) - Posts: 1448 - 11/06/2018 20:44:46    2110224

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Replying To JonSmith:  "When was the last time we played well under Mattie? We played poorly against a poor Wicklow side that we should have put to the sword completely. We were poor against Donegal, men against boys stuff. We were completely outclassed against Roscommon in the League Final. Tipperary outplayed us for most of the final game in Breffni and I think the only time we lead that game was when we kicked the winner. We were average against Roscommon in the League proper when we were again outclassed in the final stages. We played some decent stuff against Down but were tore open at the back and needed a masterclass from Galligan in goals.

Was the Cork game the last game we actually put in a comprehensive tactical performance? Other than that it's been individual effort and spirit from the players that has made us competitive and got us results.
Compare that to 2016 where we had a very clear game plan, kickout strategy, experienced substitutes who offered something different and could be relied upon.

Mattie has not improved Cavan one bit, it's blatantly obvious we have gone backwards from where Terry left the team in 2016. He needs big results to keep the position. Beating Down isn't that big result but it would be a start."
jonsmith Cavan will be ripped to thread by Down big difference from a league game and a championship game, Down have more experience at this higher level. Once Down beat Cavan the full Cavan management team should be handed their p45s as well as 90% of the players. Lets try and get a manager with a bit of balls that will not allow the CCB dictate to him. Please don't mention JReilly MGraham or DMcCabe to replace him. Get out there and get a quality Manager with his own back room team no development squad coaches.

mowbar (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 11/06/2018 22:11:56    2110271

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This is a good draw for Cavan all told. The Down tradition will focus the mind but this is a Down team in name only. They are there for the taking if Cavan can stay positive and put more pace into the attack. Their midfield was cleaned out by Donegal and we can do something similar despite the limitations in personnel.
The other matchups in this round e.g. Mayo-Tipp and Carlow-Tyrone will take out a few tricky teams so get through this one and there may be a chance to extend the summer.
The only downside is having to play a home game in Clones, it just doesnt sit right with me.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 432 - 11/06/2018 22:16:37    2110276

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "This is a good draw for Cavan all told. The Down tradition will focus the mind but this is a Down team in name only. They are there for the taking if Cavan can stay positive and put more pace into the attack. Their midfield was cleaned out by Donegal and we can do something similar despite the limitations in personnel.
The other matchups in this round e.g. Mayo-Tipp and Carlow-Tyrone will take out a few tricky teams so get through this one and there may be a chance to extend the summer.
The only downside is having to play a home game in Clones, it just doesnt sit right with me."
Ulster final is in clones the next day, have heard that the down game is therefore unlikely to be in clones. is kingscourt capable? otherwise, would Maybe have to be brewster I suppose?

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 291 - 11/06/2018 22:38:56    2110299

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Replying To mowbar:  "jonsmith Cavan will be ripped to thread by Down big difference from a league game and a championship game, Down have more experience at this higher level. Once Down beat Cavan the full Cavan management team should be handed their p45s as well as 90% of the players. Lets try and get a manager with a bit of balls that will not allow the CCB dictate to him. Please don't mention JReilly MGraham or DMcCabe to replace him. Get out there and get a quality Manager with his own back room team no development squad coaches."
Down's experience is minimal. They're not a bad side but what's their claim to fame, one big win against Monaghan?

Go easy with the big clear out. Every player there is giving a lot to play for Cavan. And even Mattie while I don't think he's good enough to hold the job I do believe he's trying his best and he's there for the right reasons. We have most of the best players in the county on the team but we need them all (even if we have them all like we did in 2016, it might not be good enough)

Big name managers don't want the Cavan job and you can see why. Cavan need someone shrewd not someone idealistic. We need a good man manager and someone with a plan that inspires confidence in the players and above all we need someone highly intelligent like McStay, Rochford, Fitzmaurice all are.
If we can't get someone who's been there and done it as a manager, the next best option is to try and find someone inside the county that can run a professional setup. I don't know if that's possible but I'd have no problem seeing Peter Reilly take the job. His managerial record is outstanding and his ability to make a solid forward unit with limited resources was very impressive at U21 level.

Damien Donohoe ticking along nicely in management but needs a few more years. Jason Reilly is doing well but could he make that step up? I'm not sure.

For now, Mattie's still the man there. We need a big performance against Down or the Championship will have been a total write off again this year.

JonSmith (Cavan) - Posts: 1448 - 11/06/2018 22:50:57    2110309

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Replying To JonSmith:  "When was the last time we played well under Mattie? We played poorly against a poor Wicklow side that we should have put to the sword completely. We were poor against Donegal, men against boys stuff. We were completely outclassed against Roscommon in the League Final. Tipperary outplayed us for most of the final game in Breffni and I think the only time we lead that game was when we kicked the winner. We were average against Roscommon in the League proper when we were again outclassed in the final stages. We played some decent stuff against Down but were tore open at the back and needed a masterclass from Galligan in goals.

Was the Cork game the last game we actually put in a comprehensive tactical performance? Other than that it's been individual effort and spirit from the players that has made us competitive and got us results.
Compare that to 2016 where we had a very clear game plan, kickout strategy, experienced substitutes who offered something different and could be relied upon.

Mattie has not improved Cavan one bit, it's blatantly obvious we have gone backwards from where Terry left the team in 2016. He needs big results to keep the position. Beating Down isn't that big result but it would be a start."
So what big results did Terry get in 5 years he was there?
Tell you about all the times we beat Roscommon and Tipp , Tyrone and Monaghan and Donegal .
He took us to Div 1 but so did Mattie so that claim to fame don't wash now.
No other manager would get 5 years to build a team and then leave it in a mess.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 12/06/2018 02:26:26    2110349

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matty deserves some recognition for taking a much much weaker panel back into division 1 in a fraction of the time it took hyland, and lads, for all thats said about matty and these panel of players, remember you don't exactly fall into division 1 by accident, as many teams busting their backsides to get there and failing (like Tipp) will tell you. But theres an awful mixed bag of performances and up and down nature to the team. Lets see the color of the perfromance v Down to get a better handle on it

RighteousMelody (Cavan) - Posts: 18 - 12/06/2018 02:56:03    2110350

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Lets be clear, Mattie did not take Cavan back to the top flight, those responsible were out on the field of play. Chief among them, Dara McVeety, Holla, Martin Reilly & Cian Mackey

ramor101 (Cavan) - Posts: 286 - 12/06/2018 09:05:38    2110377

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Replying To GallantJohnJoe:  "Ulster final is in clones the next day, have heard that the down game is therefore unlikely to be in clones. is kingscourt capable? otherwise, would Maybe have to be brewster I suppose?"
Kingscourt would surely not be suitable. If it was then it says it all about how far Cavan v Down has fallen as a fixture.
Brewster ok for us but I doubt Down would be happy with it.
Castleblaney maybe? The thought of it..(!)
Anyway all that matters is the win. We should be rolling over this very poor Down side.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 432 - 12/06/2018 10:17:05    2110412

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "Kingscourt would surely not be suitable. If it was then it says it all about how far Cavan v Down has fallen as a fixture.
Brewster ok for us but I doubt Down would be happy with it.
Castleblaney maybe? The thought of it..(!)
Anyway all that matters is the win. We should be rolling over this very poor Down side."
Brewster park with Cormac Reilly. Enough said

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 12/06/2018 11:12:19    2110437

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Brewster Park confirmed for 5pm on Saturday 22 June. Not a surprise it is here, Kingscourt would be unable to hold that size, Clones unavailable as being used the next day. We've had some good days here over the years, lets hope the lads do it.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 938 - 12/06/2018 11:27:56    2110456

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Brewster park with Cormac Reilly. Enough said"
Good to see we got our favourite ref!

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 554 - 12/06/2018 12:05:40    2110468

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Brewster park with Cormac Reilly. Enough said"
The Lord of fixtures giveth with one hand, and taketh with the other.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 432 - 12/06/2018 13:09:34    2110505

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Replying To kildare blue:  "Good to see we got our favourite ref!"
Co board should object to that ref??

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 707 - 12/06/2018 13:46:27    2110517

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Replying To GallantJohnJoe:  "Ulster final is in clones the next day, have heard that the down game is therefore unlikely to be in clones. is kingscourt capable? otherwise, would Maybe have to be brewster I suppose?"
Lads as a matter of interest how come there is only one designated county ground in Cavan....... are none of the other grounds up to scratch ?

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 12/06/2018 14:15:39    2110528

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