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Any idea who's on the panel?

Bolton12 (Cavan) - Posts: 1 - 07/05/2018 11:34:33    2097040

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Folks, are they playing next weekend?

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 563 - 19/05/2018 12:08:50    2102112

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Replying To kildare blue:  "Folks, are they playing next weekend?"
Playing Donegal in Celtic park Derry at 2pm next Sunday. Seems an odd choice of venue

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 307 - 20/05/2018 16:24:15    2102312

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Replying To kildare blue:  "Folks, are they playing next weekend?"
Playing Donegal in Celtic park Derry at 2pm next Sunday. Seems an odd choice of venue

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 307 - 20/05/2018 16:32:03    2102313

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Thanks for that, I heard that a good number of Under 20 games would be played before Senior Championship games this summer.

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 563 - 21/05/2018 06:26:09    2102497

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Can anyone enlighten us on who is on the team/panel?

Good players of note or perhaps a team sheet from a challenge game?

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 215 - 21/05/2018 09:24:44    2102526

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The game is actually the curtain raiser to the Derry-Donegal senior clash.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 307 - 21/05/2018 18:09:37    2102753

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Best of luck to the boys tomorrow, hopefully they can take their first step to an Ulster Final at the Grade.

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 563 - 26/05/2018 12:01:48    2103953

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to all the people who gave out about Terry Hyland , Peter Donnely , Peter Reilly etc and the style they employed. Are you happy now ? We have gone from being hard to beat well organised and successful at Under 21 and senior to being clueless and embarrassing. Dark times indeed for Cavan football.

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 139 - 27/05/2018 15:48:04    2104149

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Replying To blueskies:  "to all the people who gave out about Terry Hyland , Peter Donnely , Peter Reilly etc and the style they employed. Are you happy now ? We have gone from being hard to beat well organised and successful at Under 21 and senior to being clueless and embarrassing. Dark times indeed for Cavan football."
New attacking football yields 10 points. Pathetic.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1298 - 27/05/2018 16:12:54    2104162

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Look, whats new? Why are people upset, it's a familiar story.

At the end of the day, why are our youth sides consistently smaller in size and physique to other teams? Are we doing the right gym work? Picking the right players? Fitz and Donohoe on the radio referred to the size difference repeatedly. It sounded like men against boys, kind of like the senior game ironically.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 370 - 27/05/2018 17:51:08    2104215

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "Look, whats new? Why are people upset, it's a familiar story.

At the end of the day, why are our youth sides consistently smaller in size and physique to other teams? Are we doing the right gym work? Picking the right players? Fitz and Donohoe on the radio referred to the size difference repeatedly. It sounded like men against boys, kind of like the senior game ironically."
Yes size difference a familiar theme. The Cork u21 team that beat Cavan in 2013 were like giants compared to Cavan. Luke Connolly,Tom Clancy, Kevin o Driscoll.
Even going back to 2010, Donegal looked a very conditioned outfit, Murphy,
Leo McGloone, Paddy McGrath, Brick Molloy.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 1963 - 27/05/2018 20:05:10    2104291

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I am just back from the game and bar Jason Mcgee I did not see a big difference between the sides physically. Just beaten by a far superior well drilled team on the day.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2289 - 27/05/2018 21:51:04    2104371

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Replying To panamasam:  "I am just back from the game and bar Jason Mcgee I did not see a big difference between the sides physically. Just beaten by a far superior well drilled team on the day."
who is in charge if that cavan u20 side?

RighteousMelody (Cavan) - Posts: 18 - 28/05/2018 00:56:52    2104479

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Replying To panamasam:  "I am just back from the game and bar Jason Mcgee I did not see a big difference between the sides physically. Just beaten by a far superior well drilled team on the day."
Exactly. The "Giants" from Cork that beat us in 2013, beat us by a point. We missed a last minute free to equalize. We also gave away a crazy point just before that to hand them the initiative when we were on top and looked likely winners. We were Ulster 3 in a row Champions at the time! Beat Donegal regularly who actually had a giant among boys in Paddy McBrearty! We had Ulster minor Champions in that team from 2 years previously. How can anyone say our youth sides are consistently smaller in size and physique to other teams. The truth is we got notions about ourselves again. Wanting success but not willing to do the hard graft or put in the dirty work. Blowing young players up and sending them out half assed without a game plan to get beat. Playing off the cuff is great but only when things are going well. When things get tricky you need to knuckle down and ride it out but that requires players willing to bust a gut to stay in the game. Players will only have that when there is a common focus to fall back on,a game plan, a structure to encourage some semblance of teamwork! Our success was not enough for some people. They started preaching about traditional Cavan football. Flair and pace. What Walter Mitty world do they inhabit. Traditional Cavan football was sending good underage teams out completely disorganized to get beat. Same with the Seniors. Play for a while but give up after letting in a goal or two and pack up. Nice teams but ultimately disinterested when the going gets tough. Looks like we are going back to tradition. We won Ulster in 2011 not because of our traditions. We won it because we were a team. Because of players like Damien Barkley who put their bodies on the line with complete self disregard. Broke a Tyrone forward in two with a legitimate tackle who was through on goal towards the end of the game with us barely ahead. And so broke Tyrone hearts. Broke tradition! There's a line that was trotted out here a lot about the definition of insanity. Was used when complaining about our team structure and wanting to go man for man. Oh the irony.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 28/05/2018 01:54:03    2104485

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "Exactly. The "Giants" from Cork that beat us in 2013, beat us by a point. We missed a last minute free to equalize. We also gave away a crazy point just before that to hand them the initiative when we were on top and looked likely winners. We were Ulster 3 in a row Champions at the time! Beat Donegal regularly who actually had a giant among boys in Paddy McBrearty! We had Ulster minor Champions in that team from 2 years previously. How can anyone say our youth sides are consistently smaller in size and physique to other teams. The truth is we got notions about ourselves again. Wanting success but not willing to do the hard graft or put in the dirty work. Blowing young players up and sending them out half assed without a game plan to get beat. Playing off the cuff is great but only when things are going well. When things get tricky you need to knuckle down and ride it out but that requires players willing to bust a gut to stay in the game. Players will only have that when there is a common focus to fall back on,a game plan, a structure to encourage some semblance of teamwork! Our success was not enough for some people. They started preaching about traditional Cavan football. Flair and pace. What Walter Mitty world do they inhabit. Traditional Cavan football was sending good underage teams out completely disorganized to get beat. Same with the Seniors. Play for a while but give up after letting in a goal or two and pack up. Nice teams but ultimately disinterested when the going gets tough. Looks like we are going back to tradition. We won Ulster in 2011 not because of our traditions. We won it because we were a team. Because of players like Damien Barkley who put their bodies on the line with complete self disregard. Broke a Tyrone forward in two with a legitimate tackle who was through on goal towards the end of the game with us barely ahead. And so broke Tyrone hearts. Broke tradition! There's a line that was trotted out here a lot about the definition of insanity. Was used when complaining about our team structure and wanting to go man for man. Oh the irony."
Excellent post hardtimes. And on top of that we need someone like Peter Donnelly for s+ c and bulk up.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 719 - 28/05/2018 09:53:57    2104559

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "Exactly. The "Giants" from Cork that beat us in 2013, beat us by a point. We missed a last minute free to equalize. We also gave away a crazy point just before that to hand them the initiative when we were on top and looked likely winners. We were Ulster 3 in a row Champions at the time! Beat Donegal regularly who actually had a giant among boys in Paddy McBrearty! We had Ulster minor Champions in that team from 2 years previously. How can anyone say our youth sides are consistently smaller in size and physique to other teams. The truth is we got notions about ourselves again. Wanting success but not willing to do the hard graft or put in the dirty work. Blowing young players up and sending them out half assed without a game plan to get beat. Playing off the cuff is great but only when things are going well. When things get tricky you need to knuckle down and ride it out but that requires players willing to bust a gut to stay in the game. Players will only have that when there is a common focus to fall back on,a game plan, a structure to encourage some semblance of teamwork! Our success was not enough for some people. They started preaching about traditional Cavan football. Flair and pace. What Walter Mitty world do they inhabit. Traditional Cavan football was sending good underage teams out completely disorganized to get beat. Same with the Seniors. Play for a while but give up after letting in a goal or two and pack up. Nice teams but ultimately disinterested when the going gets tough. Looks like we are going back to tradition. We won Ulster in 2011 not because of our traditions. We won it because we were a team. Because of players like Damien Barkley who put their bodies on the line with complete self disregard. Broke a Tyrone forward in two with a legitimate tackle who was through on goal towards the end of the game with us barely ahead. And so broke Tyrone hearts. Broke tradition! There's a line that was trotted out here a lot about the definition of insanity. Was used when complaining about our team structure and wanting to go man for man. Oh the irony."
Thats a brilliant message . Hitting the nail on the head.
People have short memories in this county. Cavan under 21 teams bet better Donegal teams than yesterday in the early part of this decade. We were 2 minutes from beating a savage Dublin team in Portlaoise. Yet people on hear were giving out. Is this what them people prefer? We are now an embarrassment again teams walking through us when we used to be feared. Cut your suit to cloth. We are cavan not dublin we dont have the resources or players for this man to man beautiful football. Look at Carlow at the minute. A very defensive side do the Carlow people care? The right people need to be put back in the right places, managers who know what their doing.

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 139 - 28/05/2018 10:08:55    2104579

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The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4532 - 28/05/2018 11:43:52    2104658

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Replying To blueskies:  "Thats a brilliant message . Hitting the nail on the head.
People have short memories in this county. Cavan under 21 teams bet better Donegal teams than yesterday in the early part of this decade. We were 2 minutes from beating a savage Dublin team in Portlaoise. Yet people on hear were giving out. Is this what them people prefer? We are now an embarrassment again teams walking through us when we used to be feared. Cut your suit to cloth. We are cavan not dublin we dont have the resources or players for this man to man beautiful football. Look at Carlow at the minute. A very defensive side do the Carlow people care? The right people need to be put back in the right places, managers who know what their doing."
Where are all those successful U21 players then? oh thats right, the very man that managed them at U21 cast them aside when he got the Senior job, rather than developing them and bringing them into the Senior squad.

As for teams fearing us, what teams feared us exactly? I dont remember Derry or Tipperary coming to Breffni Park a few years back and playing with fear.

As for Carlow being a defensive side, they scored 2-14 yesterday, hardly defensive.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 441 - 28/05/2018 13:22:49    2104727

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Where are all those successful U21 players then? oh thats right, the very man that managed them at U21 cast them aside when he got the Senior job, rather than developing them and bringing them into the Senior squad.

As for teams fearing us, what teams feared us exactly? I dont remember Derry or Tipperary coming to Breffni Park a few years back and playing with fear.

As for Carlow being a defensive side, they scored 2-14 yesterday, hardly defensive."
That tipperary game was last year when Mattie was manager and we had Derry bet before Flanagan was sent off. Also I was referring mainly to the 2011 2015 period when we won those under 21 titles and bet some good Tyrone and Donegal Teams we were extremely well respected at that grade. In the last two years we have had our most embarrassing defeats against Donegal. As for Carlow if you knew anything about them they are a predominately defensive side. They came to Brefni two years and played with 15 men behind the ball and should have beaten us only for two goals at the start of each we got. They nearly bet Monaghon last year from parking the bus too and it has made them extremely competitive they have a northern coach in helping them. They seem to have tweaked it this year being a bit more expansive but there rise has been built on a good structure and organisation. Unlike Cavan and Mattie McgLennan they didn't just decide overnight to abandon their solid defense and become a great attacking team.

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 139 - 28/05/2018 14:47:26    2104791

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