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Im a referee and would welcome any questions anyone has.

dachubba (Cavan) - Posts: 74 - 25/02/2015 17:11:22    1696833

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I am a referee and will try my best to answer any questions you may have.

dachubba (Cavan) - Posts: 74 - 25/02/2015 18:33:31    1696871

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Why are ye all so blody inconsistent and unable to use common sence in matches...I dont know what level you operate at but the higher up we go the poorer the standard of refeering we are getting.... I know your job is hard but most refs make it harder for them selves

Sean66 (Cavan) - Posts: 440 - 25/02/2015 20:36:27    1696906

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As a player and a referee, i see both sides of the argument.
As a player, referee interpretations of the rules can be different and can be very frustrating for players and all associated.
I hope more proper instruction on the correct way to tackle will be provided by the referee (something which i am actively doing), as this is a hotspot for mixed interpretations by referee, players and spectators.
However, the responsibility for change comes from players and spectators too, as the culture for finger-pointing at referees has not ceased.

A good referee is still heckled and abused, so i ask you folks, what can be done about that?

dachubba (Cavan) - Posts: 74 - 26/02/2015 09:38:39    1696967

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I dont agree that good refeeres are heckled or abused...there are so few good ones that it appears that way.. In a match resiently my son was playing in a ref gave a great display and I shook his hand after the match and told him so...but he is rare indeed... Oh by the way my sons team lost the match by 11 pts..!!!!

Sean66 (Cavan) - Posts: 440 - 26/02/2015 10:27:45    1696998

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Well then we agree to disagree on that Sean66.

dachubba (Cavan) - Posts: 74 - 26/02/2015 10:58:02    1697019

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Chubba I see that as low as under 10s. The players copy the manager questioning the referee about every decision. It has to happen from children up and parents and coaches have to lead by example. There has to be a zero tolerance approach brought in.

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 26/02/2015 11:38:42    1697043

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i agree that all refs get shouted at by blinkered supporters. they never shout at a ref for making a decision for their team. they always shout when the decision goes against them. some people think their players can do no wrong and this attitude pertains with managment and backroom staff at all levels right up to the highest levels. Now having said that some referees don't interpret the rules correctly especially in relation to yellow/black/red cards. this can lead to frustration. also tackling which is a minefield. This is the one area which really needs to be redefined to help everyone. what really annoys me is that a player can be held,swung out of, boxed around the arms and chest but if he stays upright and holds possession no free is given but if the same player is running at pace persued by an opposing player, the second he goes to ground the whistle is blown regardless of whether it is the player's own momentum that grounds him or the faintest of touches from a would-be attacker. Also the so-called hand-pass. it seems you can get away with anything nowadays where players merely shove the ball with both hands to a team-mate. surely there should be a clear striking action.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5227 - 26/02/2015 18:11:51    1697197

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dachubba
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As a player and a referee, i see both sides of the argument.
As a player, referee interpretations of the rules can be different and can be very frustrating for players and all associated.
I hope more proper instruction on the correct way to tackle will be provided by the referee (something which i am actively doing), as this is a hotspot for mixed interpretations by referee, players and spectators.
However, the responsibility for change comes from players and spectators too, as the culture for finger-pointing at referees has not ceased.

A good referee is still heckled and abused, so i ask you folks, what can be done about that?

Show me a good referee and I will show you a liar.

You ask what you can be done about being heckled and abused well my reply to you is do your job show him a card he does it again show him the next two cards it's that simple this way you will cut out this carp and maybe there will be a better game played because the player knows he cannot run the show or dictate or harass the referee it's that simple.

mowbar (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 26/02/2015 21:42:10    1697279

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Mowbar,

i agree. application of the rules is the referee's responsibility, not players or spectators. The rules are there to help the referee. And the strength of the referee's performance is knowledge of the rules and enough conviction (common sense) to apply them.

What i also referred to was the current knowledge of the rules by players, mentors and spectators. I believe the club game has to step it up in terms of learning the rules, including referees (with more conviction). All these factors (rules, referees, players, mentors, spectators) are currently not in sync in the club game, and everyone involved has a responsibility to better prepare themselves, or the finger-pointing will continue to thrive.

dachubba (Cavan) - Posts: 74 - 27/02/2015 09:11:09    1697300

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Mowbar,

i agree. application of the rules is the referee's responsibility, not players or spectators. The rules are there to help the referee. And the strength of the referee's performance is knowledge of the rules and enough conviction (common sense) to apply them.

What i also referred to was the current knowledge of the rules by players, mentors and spectators. I believe the club game has to step it up in terms of learning the rules, including referees (with more conviction). All these factors (rules, referees, players, mentors, spectators) are currently not in sync in the club game, and everyone involved has a responsibility to better prepare themselves, or the finger-pointing will continue to thrive.

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I would not worry about mentors or spectators regarding the rules for as far as spectators the majority of them are referees anyway.
The referee cannot send himself off but he can send the mentors off and until this starts happening and enforced by all referees you will alway's have the referees being abused. THEY BRING IT UPON THEM SELF'S BY ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN. I BET YOU IT WILL HAPPEN TONIGHT AS WELL

Having a referee assessor is a laugh a minuet unless the accessor is from outside the county pals looking after pals.

mowbar (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 28/02/2015 10:22:46    1697581

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If we were allowed to name the bad referees off which there are many there is not much point in this topic.

mowbar (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 28/02/2015 13:00:35    1697622

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Hi Dachubba . Thanks for volunteering ! I appreciate you may not be able to say too much considering your position but a few questions to get an over view on where you think referring is at and where it should be .
You appear to be of the opinion that the tackle is the biggest issue with the game . What about number of steps taken ? Do you think this rule is enforced correctly and would a stricter interpretation of it help with tackling ?
Do you think the introduction of the black card was a good idea or a case of slopey shoulders from top brass ? What would you have done ?
What do you think of the assessors - are they a benefit to you or do you find them pedantic and make your job more difficult ?
How do you find the overall standard of your colleagues ? Are there any high profile referees you think are simply not up to it ?
Would you say you enjoy your job overall ? Has it become more enjoyable or less as the years go on ? Is money a motivator ?
Would a zero tolerance approach to dissent work or would you be apprehensive about applying such a policy ? You think your safety would be an issue?
Do you think the number of referees signing up for the job is sufficient or would you say there is more of a recruitment crisis ?
How would you recommend the job to anyone if you were given the job of recruiting refs ? What improvements would you like to see that could attract more people to the job ?
Do you agree with retirement age ? Have you ever thought of packing it in yourself ? Do you think the fitness requirements are adequate ?
Do you think the appeals process is fair or do you think referees are sometimes not given proper back up on their decisions ?

Sorry if that seems like a lot of questions but I would be interested in your opinions .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1055 - 02/03/2015 16:15:11    1698406

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Question for all: How many GAA rule books are in the possession of team managers of underage teams.

In a lot of cases we have team manager/coaches teaching kids our games from their own personal knowledge but has anyone checked that their "version/interpretation" or the rule is the correct one. Once the kids learn the wrong rule then it's not easy to change.

I do agree that there is a lot of inconsistency in the application of the rules but this is because refs are not trained/coached enough. They might have 1 meeting(training) a year at the start where they;re "lectured" to by someone and briefed about the rules that have changed. The next time they get together is to do a Fitness test so that they qualify to do championship matches and the next meeting is next spring prior to the start of the league.

Referees can be coached/trained better but remember it takes a special type of person to realise that they dont know it all all the time and be open to be coached/trained better.

ManInBlack (Cavan) - Posts: 9 - 03/03/2015 14:40:22    1698747

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ManInBlack
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Question for all: How many GAA rule books are in the possession of team managers of underage teams.

In a lot of cases we have team manager/coaches teaching kids our games from their own personal knowledge but has anyone checked that their "version/interpretation" or the rule is the correct one. Once the kids learn the wrong rule then it's not easy to change.



Very good question. I have never heard or seen of any coach who taught underage players the rules, bar toe under the ball, solo four steps basic.Why is the tackle not explained to them. I have umpired matches on many occasions and couldn't believe the limited knowledge players have of the rules.

evano11 (Cavan) - Posts: 252 - 03/03/2015 15:37:21    1698771

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