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Mountnuget 10-22 - 1-04 Corlough

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Enough is enough. Many of us here have been calling for a revamp of club football in Cavan for a long time now, and scorelines like this are evidence that drastic changes are needed. What purpose does it serve having 40+ clubs in a county with one of the smallest populations in Ireland?

I am firmly a county over club man, always have been, always will be. But seriously, nostalgia and history and all that whilst important, are not a legitimate reason to carry on if the writing is on the wall. Economic decline is a reality and with it comes de-population. Like it or not, the large urban centres on the island are absorbing the youth of rural Ireland, and the GAA must adapt to that change.

It is inevitable that some clubs will have to fold.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 342 - 21/08/2018 18:22:07    2135385

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It's surprising you know what's going on in Club football at all, . You're the same type of fella ranting why such and such is not on County panel and probably watches no club football

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 1833 - 21/08/2018 19:28:17    2135408

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "Enough is enough. Many of us here have been calling for a revamp of club football in Cavan for a long time now, and scorelines like this are evidence that drastic changes are needed. What purpose does it serve having 40+ clubs in a county with one of the smallest populations in Ireland?

I am firmly a county over club man, always have been, always will be. But seriously, nostalgia and history and all that whilst important, are not a legitimate reason to carry on if the writing is on the wall. Economic decline is a reality and with it comes de-population. Like it or not, the large urban centres on the island are absorbing the youth of rural Ireland, and the GAA must adapt to that change.

It is inevitable that some clubs will have to fold."
If you don't have clubs and club players well you won't have county players will you?
Where do you think your going to get them from?
You ask any player which would he preferr a div 1/2/3/4 National league medal or a county championship medal with his own club players , the players he grew up with and see which one he'd take.
Yes clubs are in decline and the numbers can be difficult to maintain in smaller clubs but that's not the only problem.
The game itself needs sorting. As a spectacle it's dire to watch. Youngsters are not interested anymore in the pure [email protected]@e that's being played throughout the country.
It's not attractive any more . Hurling has surpassed it for entertainment alone even in weaker hurling counties .

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 970 - 21/08/2018 21:55:56    2135460

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "If you don't have clubs and club players well you won't have county players will you?
Where do you think your going to get them from?
You ask any player which would he preferr a div 1/2/3/4 National league medal or a county championship medal with his own club players , the players he grew up with and see which one he'd take.
Yes clubs are in decline and the numbers can be difficult to maintain in smaller clubs but that's not the only problem.
The game itself needs sorting. As a spectacle it's dire to watch. Youngsters are not interested anymore in the pure [email protected]@e that's being played throughout the country.
It's not attractive any more . Hurling has surpassed it for entertainment alone even in weaker hurling counties ."
Agreed

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 422 - 22/08/2018 05:01:24    2135507

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "If you don't have clubs and club players well you won't have county players will you?
Where do you think your going to get them from?
You ask any player which would he preferr a div 1/2/3/4 National league medal or a county championship medal with his own club players , the players he grew up with and see which one he'd take.
Yes clubs are in decline and the numbers can be difficult to maintain in smaller clubs but that's not the only problem.
The game itself needs sorting. As a spectacle it's dire to watch. Youngsters are not interested anymore in the pure [email protected]@e that's being played throughout the country.
It's not attractive any more . Hurling has surpassed it for entertainment alone even in weaker hurling counties ."
County football as a spectacle is poor because one team is so far ahead of anyone. Club level is good in Cavan. I've being to a lot of club games this year and the scoring is good and games are exciting. This scoreline is not good for anyone though.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1459 - 22/08/2018 09:13:16    2135518

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Its totally unfair to base qualification for the next round on scoring differance with Maghera and Corlough in the competition. Any team that plays either will have a huge advantage. Shannon Gaels got both! How lucky is that? Play offs should be used instead of scoring difference.

diver (Cavan) - Posts: 39 - 22/08/2018 10:37:06    2135530

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "County football as a spectacle is poor because one team is so far ahead of anyone. Club level is good in Cavan. I've being to a lot of club games this year and the scoring is good and games are exciting. This scoreline is not good for anyone though."
Galway club Corofin showed in the All Ireland club final what a great game football can be when played in the right way.

diver (Cavan) - Posts: 39 - 22/08/2018 10:42:15    2135531

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Replying To diver:  "Its totally unfair to base qualification for the next round on scoring differance with Maghera and Corlough in the competition. Any team that plays either will have a huge advantage. Shannon Gaels got both! How lucky is that? Play offs should be used instead of scoring difference."
Is it not the case that head to head in the first instance is taken into account for teams level on points for championships run on a league basis?

offtheditch (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 22/08/2018 10:55:30    2135538

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If Corlough and Maghera are happy to play in the current system, what difference does it make to the rest of us?

I don't get it myself, but it's no skin off my nose.

Skelling (USA) - Posts: 288 - 22/08/2018 11:03:36    2135542

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "County football as a spectacle is poor because one team is so far ahead of anyone. Club level is good in Cavan. I've being to a lot of club games this year and the scoring is good and games are exciting. This scoreline is not good for anyone though."
I agree that club level is fairly good in Cavan, I know our champions haven't done much in Ulster, but they were competitive last year and got to the final,swanlinbar got to the junior all Ireland a few years ago and drumgoon won it 1 year and I think our intermediate and junior champions will be stronger this year.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 705 - 22/08/2018 11:11:39    2135545

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "County football as a spectacle is poor because one team is so far ahead of anyone. Club level is good in Cavan. I've being to a lot of club games this year and the scoring is good and games are exciting. This scoreline is not good for anyone though."
When you take that one team you are talking about they seem to find a level playing field and are made look just as poor as the rest when they have to play outside of Breifne. Maybe the County Board might have learnt from Breifne being closed is that you remove the advantage of this one team and make the senior competition more interesting.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4495 - 22/08/2018 11:29:34    2135551

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "When you take that one team you are talking about they seem to find a level playing field and are made look just as poor as the rest when they have to play outside of Breifne. Maybe the County Board might have learnt from Breifne being closed is that you remove the advantage of this one team and make the senior competition more interesting."
Read the post Sean I was on about county football and Dublin.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1459 - 22/08/2018 11:59:57    2135567

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I stopped reading at "I am firmly a county over club man"....

Cavanman123 (Cavan) - Posts: 13 - 22/08/2018 12:17:25    2135576

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Replying To blueman1903:  "I agree that club level is fairly good in Cavan, I know our champions haven't done much in Ulster, but they were competitive last year and got to the final,swanlinbar got to the junior all Ireland a few years ago and drumgoon won it 1 year and I think our intermediate and junior champions will be stronger this year."
Open to correction on this but I think when Drumgoon won those Junior and Intermediate's, the tournaments were not recognised as part of the All Ireland Series (maybe an AI series didn't exist for Junior or Intermediate at the time), and those trophies were part of a tournament ran by a club that held the Junior & Intermediate as a sort of event where all the games took place at the one venue.

Like the Milk Cup in Soccer or something to that effect..

Did Ballinagh not win an Ulster Intermediate under Morris?

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 173 - 22/08/2018 12:26:34    2135577

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "Read the post Sean I was on about county football and Dublin."
I understand now my error.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4495 - 22/08/2018 12:56:11    2135585

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Replying To diver:  "Its totally unfair to base qualification for the next round on scoring differance with Maghera and Corlough in the competition. Any team that plays either will have a huge advantage. Shannon Gaels got both! How lucky is that? Play offs should be used instead of scoring difference."
Your point is completely unjustified ? Corlough lost to Shannon Gaels by 9 points, kildallan lost to Denn by 11, does that mean denn had an unfair advantage because they got kildallan or that killinkere have an unfair advantage because they bet kill by 25 points ? Kill certainly won't think so having turned it around and bet templeport at the weekend. I would consider Shannon gaels unlucky to have got two of the best teams in the competition and came close to both of them in killinkere and drumlane. I agree it shouldn't be based on scoring difference but not based on the fact that corlough and maghera are in the competition. Some big beatings in intermediate too over relatively good sides in drumgoon, swad and butlersbridge. When you have a greater number of teams in intermediate and junior you're going to have a greater variation in results. Senior has become closer but the gap is getting bigger between the good teams and the average teams in both junior and intermediate. Could nearly run 4 championships of 10 teams.

Westcavan5 (Cavan) - Posts: 21 - 22/08/2018 13:48:17    2135600

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