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Replying To Galway9801:  "Sometimes in the business world it seems as if projecting an image of success is more important than achieving success, like those spoofers who drive brand new cars and live in huge houses until the taxman raids his home in the early hours and he ends up being declared bankrupt.
This kind of spoofery has entered the sports world too,, "your I can is more important than your IQ",, etc etc,, these earpieces are about projecting an image of professionalism and motivation to the fans, county board, I doubt they achieve anything too great results wise"
The earpiece is used by a lot of businesses these days to simplify the work load. Better communication with less running about can save time in a fast paced environment. Id say the same uses apply for a manager on the touchline which is why they feel it's worthwhile to have them. It's a bit more likely than managers trying to spoof that they are the image of professionalism with these empty fashion accessories.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 24/07/2021 20:59:25    2363624

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I can kind of accept these ear pieces it inter county level,however I have a huge problem when I see them at club games..as for the tracking systems,oh my god,of course it's vital to be able to report back and tell Johnny you covered 8km in 70 mins..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2214 - 24/07/2021 21:16:55    2363634

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Maybe to say they're for show might be a bit harsh,, but in terms of preparing a team to win, a manager must (a) train them properly, get them fit, motivated, develop a clear game plan, as well as a plan b, c, d,, and (b), deal with the media, say all the right things publicly, wear a t shirt with "bainisteoir" on it, prowl the side line with a look of intense focus,, look devastated when things go wrong , id put earpieces closer to the b camp than the a one.

For the record, can anyone give me an example of what someone in the stand speaking into an earpiece during a game would be able to say to a manager that that manager shouldn't already know, keeping in mind he's watching the same game?"
And the earpiece assists their management of the game. The ear piece helps get them info and send info to change the game plan if necessary or whatever else.
The data analysts can see trends that a person on pitch alone wont be able to see.
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The analyst will be coding the game which gains insights just watching the game alone wont be able to do

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 24/07/2021 21:26:45    2363640

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Replying To Saynothing:  "And what's your point?"
Read the post slowly. It's self explanatory. The penny should drop for you.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 24/07/2021 21:26:50    2363641

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Sometimes in the business world it seems as if projecting an image of success is more important than achieving success, like those spoofers who drive brand new cars and live in huge houses until the taxman raids his home in the early hours and he ends up being declared bankrupt.
This kind of spoofery has entered the sports world too,, "your I can is more important than your IQ",, etc etc,, these earpieces are about projecting an image of professionalism and motivation to the fans, county board, I doubt they achieve anything too great results wise"
You're the spoofer.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 24/07/2021 21:29:09    2363646

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Maybe to say they're for show might be a bit harsh,, but in terms of preparing a team to win, a manager must (a) train them properly, get them fit, motivated, develop a clear game plan, as well as a plan b, c, d,, and (b), deal with the media, say all the right things publicly, wear a t shirt with "bainisteoir" on it, prowl the side line with a look of intense focus,, look devastated when things go wrong , id put earpieces closer to the b camp than the a one.

For the record, can anyone give me an example of what someone in the stand speaking into an earpiece during a game would be able to say to a manager that that manager shouldn't already know, keeping in mind he's watching the same game?"
That's the thing, he may be watching the same game but it's impossible for him to have an overview of it.

If you go to a game in Croke Park would you rather sit at a lower level or at an elevated level (obviously not too far from the action) ?

As players become fitter real time data analysis is critical in determining when a player may need to be substituted or is running a risk of picking up an injury, go to an NFL game in the US and have a look at the set up, it's like a mini data centre and would make a few earpieces in the GAA look completely old fashioned.

A good spotter will also be more likely to see a player on the opposition team who is struggling because of picking up a knock or whatever and relay that info to the sideline but at the end of the day it's still the manager who will make the call and try to use the information he has received to improve the teams chances.

I'm sure that doesn't always happen though.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 24/07/2021 21:31:48    2363648

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The sender of the info to the person with the ear piece usually speaks through a mini microphone underneath the lapel of his jacket guaranteeing both of them almost total privacy, other than that it's another point scored for elitism.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 24/07/2021 21:34:11    2363653

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Replying To Greengrass:  "What's your point?"
Point is that it shows you how much football has changed in the last 10-15 years. Teams were winning all irelands without all this for years. As someone else said teams are trying to get thr latest edge on exh other while often ignoring the basic skills of the game.

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 24/07/2021 22:42:02    2363683

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "That's the thing, he may be watching the same game but it's impossible for him to have an overview of it.

If you go to a game in Croke Park would you rather sit at a lower level or at an elevated level (obviously not too far from the action) ?

As players become fitter real time data analysis is critical in determining when a player may need to be substituted or is running a risk of picking up an injury, go to an NFL game in the US and have a look at the set up, it's like a mini data centre and would make a few earpieces in the GAA look completely old fashioned.

A good spotter will also be more likely to see a player on the opposition team who is struggling because of picking up a knock or whatever and relay that info to the sideline but at the end of the day it's still the manager who will make the call and try to use the information he has received to improve the teams chances.

I'm sure that doesn't always happen though."
But what will the fella in the stand tell him?
Our corner backs getting roasted? Jeez this game plan ya came up with has gone to pot? Like he can see that stuff himself. Same with a player getting tired or risking an injury.
Of course stuff like fitness apps, sports science, data etc have a place in the modern game, an important place, but pretty much all of the stuff that's good for is on the training ground preparing for a game, not right there and then in the middle of one.
Again, I can't really think of anything offhand that can be said to a manager during a game through an earpiece that either (a) he can't know himself, or (b) he can't be told from the sideline by someone monitoring the statistical aspect of the game.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 24/07/2021 23:43:28    2363705

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Replying To KillingFields:  "And the earpiece assists their management of the game. The ear piece helps get them info and send info to change the game plan if necessary or whatever else.
The data analysts can see trends that a person on pitch alone wont be able to see.
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The analyst will be coding the game which gains insights just watching the game alone wont be able to do"
"And the earpiece assists their management of the game. The ear piece helps get them info and send info to change the game plan if necessary or whatever else."

You should get in touch with the likes of Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp, Thomas Tuchel etc. And tell them all where they are going wrong. None of them wear earpieces during matches.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2460 - 25/07/2021 09:33:15    2363739

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To KillingFields:  "And the earpiece assists their management of the game. The ear piece helps get them info and send info to change the game plan if necessary or whatever else.
The data analysts can see trends that a person on pitch alone wont be able to see.
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The analyst will be coding the game which gains insights just watching the game alone wont be able to do"
"And the earpiece assists their management of the game. The ear piece helps get them info and send info to change the game plan if necessary or whatever else."

You should get in touch with the likes of Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp, Thomas Tuchel etc. And tell them all where they are going wrong. None of them wear earpieces during matches."
So because some of them dont means using them is wrong? They most likely have people beside them who are micced up then.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 25/07/2021 11:22:59    2363783

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Replying To TYE08:  "Point is that it shows you how much football has changed in the last 10-15 years. Teams were winning all irelands without all this for years. As someone else said teams are trying to get thr latest edge on exh other while often ignoring the basic skills of the game."
Thats a bit like saying "I was listening to music on stacks of CD's 15 years ago, why would a want a smart phone to store all my music in one place?" You're not one of those oul dinosaurs are you? I honestly don't get this paranoid view that there's some sort of hidden agenda here. It takes 30 seconds to hook up a headset, how would that be ignoring basic skills of the game?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 25/07/2021 11:53:32    2363797

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To KillingFields:  "And the earpiece assists their management of the game. The ear piece helps get them info and send info to change the game plan if necessary or whatever else.
The data analysts can see trends that a person on pitch alone wont be able to see.
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The analyst will be coding the game which gains insights just watching the game alone wont be able to do"
"And the earpiece assists their management of the game. The ear piece helps get them info and send info to change the game plan if necessary or whatever else."

You should get in touch with the likes of Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp, Thomas Tuchel etc. And tell them all where they are going wrong. None of them wear earpieces during matches."
A common sense response.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 25/07/2021 12:03:02    2363802

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Thats a bit like saying "I was listening to music on stacks of CD's 15 years ago, why would a want a smart phone to store all my music in one place?" You're not one of those oul dinosaurs are you? I honestly don't get this paranoid view that there's some sort of hidden agenda here. It takes 30 seconds to hook up a headset, how would that be ignoring basic skills of the game?"
What I am trying to say (probably badly) is that gaelic is moving to the professional set up level that's all. It's an amerture sport played by unpaid athletes who have huge back room teams consisting of paid personnel.

Times move on as you rightly said but I don't think all the video analysis etc is improving the actual viewing experience of the game. Far from it. Instead of entertaining games like in the past where it was constant attack and defence most games are built around stats. Keeping the ball until in a high percentage shot area, slow build up play etc

Look how many wonderful matches there were between 2000-2010, far a few expectations there wasn't that many between 2010-2020.

To sum up a professional set up isn't improving the game.

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 25/07/2021 14:01:07    2363821

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Replying To TYE08:  "What I am trying to say (probably badly) is that gaelic is moving to the professional set up level that's all. It's an amerture sport played by unpaid athletes who have huge back room teams consisting of paid personnel.

Times move on as you rightly said but I don't think all the video analysis etc is improving the actual viewing experience of the game. Far from it. Instead of entertaining games like in the past where it was constant attack and defence most games are built around stats. Keeping the ball until in a high percentage shot area, slow build up play etc

Look how many wonderful matches there were between 2000-2010, far a few expectations there wasn't that many between 2010-2020.

To sum up a professional set up isn't improving the game."
"Keeping the ball until a high percentage shot area" that's called common sense. It's a shame it wasn't applied more years ago. We wouldn't have to sit through all those hail Mary clearances to nobody. What's the great skill in that?

I think you're selling GAA teams very short to suggest they should go back to playing the way their Da and granda did. Its really just admitting we've learned nothing over the years and yes, not moving with the times. There have been plenty of great matches in recent years, even this year so far. There were also many terrible matches from those 'golden years' you were highlighting there. Id rather see our top managers be innovators than sheep following a rigid, outdated system. Just because its an amateur sport doesn't mean it has to be run in an amateur fashion.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 25/07/2021 14:41:01    2363838

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Replying To Galway9801:  "But what will the fella in the stand tell him?
Our corner backs getting roasted? Jeez this game plan ya came up with has gone to pot? Like he can see that stuff himself. Same with a player getting tired or risking an injury.
Of course stuff like fitness apps, sports science, data etc have a place in the modern game, an important place, but pretty much all of the stuff that's good for is on the training ground preparing for a game, not right there and then in the middle of one.
Again, I can't really think of anything offhand that can be said to a manager during a game through an earpiece that either (a) he can't know himself, or (b) he can't be told from the sideline by someone monitoring the statistical aspect of the game."
Data analytics completely helps during a game. Its why teams employ these data and video analysis people because they can see changes and then coach can make changes based on that info.
a manager wont see everything and these analysts can be employed to look at very specific things within the game so of course they will see things a manager never will see.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 25/07/2021 16:55:39    2363926

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Replying To TYE08:  "Point is that it shows you how much football has changed in the last 10-15 years. Teams were winning all irelands without all this for years. As someone else said teams are trying to get thr latest edge on exh other while often ignoring the basic skills of the game."
Agreed. But unfortunately it seems that working on the skills won't give you more of an edge than improving strength and conditioning and sports psychology will. A team blessed with more natural talent than their opponents could be 3 or 4 points up with 15 minutes left but could get burned by a less skilful fitter, faster stronger team who can flip the switch and up the intensity in the last 15 to win the game. Some club football teams have S&C coaches and use video analysis to break down their opponents strengths and weaknesses. It's paralysis by analysis but I'm a bit fascinated by how it works.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 25/07/2021 17:27:00    2363943

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Replying To TYE08:  "Point is that it shows you how much football has changed in the last 10-15 years. Teams were winning all irelands without all this for years. As someone else said teams are trying to get thr latest edge on exh other while often ignoring the basic skills of the game."
Teams weren't using this type of technology fifteen years ago. It had just become available. Therefore no team gained an advantage from using it. This refrain "ignoring the basic skills of the game" doesn't stand up to any scrutiny either. Modern day players are as skilled as any players who went before them. The next thing you'll say is, "modern day footballers are athletes not footballers."

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 25/07/2021 18:07:29    2363969

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Replying To Galway9801:  "But what will the fella in the stand tell him?
Our corner backs getting roasted? Jeez this game plan ya came up with has gone to pot? Like he can see that stuff himself. Same with a player getting tired or risking an injury.
Of course stuff like fitness apps, sports science, data etc have a place in the modern game, an important place, but pretty much all of the stuff that's good for is on the training ground preparing for a game, not right there and then in the middle of one.
Again, I can't really think of anything offhand that can be said to a manager during a game through an earpiece that either (a) he can't know himself, or (b) he can't be told from the sideline by someone monitoring the statistical aspect of the game."
Try specific facts in relation to long kickouts won and lost. Facts like where they were won and lost. Who won them for you or who won them against you. What happened to those kickouts. How much you scored from your own long kickouts that you won. How much was scored against you. Repeat the process fir the opposition's long kickouts.
How about specific facts in relation to turnovers. Where they happened, why they happened. What happened as a result of those turnovers. We're scores conceded. How much was conceded Repeat the process for the opposition. That's only the start of it. The GPS people will also provide vital information.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 25/07/2021 18:14:25    2363976

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Try specific facts in relation to long kickouts won and lost. Facts like where they were won and lost. Who won them for you or who won them against you. What happened to those kickouts. How much you scored from your own long kickouts that you won. How much was scored against you. Repeat the process fir the opposition's long kickouts.
How about specific facts in relation to turnovers. Where they happened, why they happened. What happened as a result of those turnovers. We're scores conceded. How much was conceded Repeat the process for the opposition. That's only the start of it. The GPS people will also provide vital information."
None of that information need be provided via an earpiece,,nor does it need to be viewed from far away for a stats man to gather,, it's not a bloody ocean you're looking at.
Standing on the sideline as managers do the farthest player from you isn't much more than a good kick of the ball away from you.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 25/07/2021 19:41:23    2364028

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