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Talk about getting excited over qualifying for an all
Ireland semi.
The fundamental principle of the GAA is the promotion of the games.
If you are to talk about who is best at that then you can only compare number of clubs vs population
Leitrim have 24 clubs for 35000 people, 1 for every 1458
Dublin has 134 clubs for 1,450,0000 people, they are therefore no where near as successful as Leitrim
Cork have 259 clubs for 581,231 people - 1 for every 2244
Limerick are 101 for 205,444 - 1 for 2034
Antrim for 108 for 618,108, way ahead of the Dubs despite 2/3rds of the county despising Irish culture.
Galway have 80 clubs for 276,451 - 1 in 3455
So in reality, while Galway have had a lot of recent underage success, they aren't within an asses roar of competing with Limerick and Cork for the title of Best GAA county in the world ever!
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1104 - 29/06/2022 19:48:30
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"The fundamental principle of the GAA is the promotion of the games.
If you are to talk about who is best at that then you can only compare number of clubs vs population"
Jess lad, def don't be taking up any type of date analysis anytime soon. Sure most GAA clubs are or have been established for nearly 70-80 years - very little new clubs come online mainly due to very little new parishes and/or land for development within cities.
So although club numbers remain 'mainly' the same give or take a few new clubs, clubs amalgamating due to rural population - your base number of clubs will remain roughly the same with population the only differential. Then taking population as a #, its very misleading in terms of GAA. Take one item such as rural de-population for example you could have lads living in Galway and going home to Ballintubber for training, the same is true for Cork/Kerry, Clare/Limerick Dublin (and every county) so your entire theory is very misplaced.
The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 705 - 30/06/2022 14:15:15
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In Waterford we have 47 clubs and for much of my life time half of them were football only. Including my club.My dad played football for Munster when it was big deal. Believe it or not most of the players did not play hurling with anyone else. That has changed in recent times. Cork has 270 clubs. (somewhere around that ) So in essence we probably should never have won a Munster tittle or All-Ireland.
However I do believe that in some quarters they like to gut Galway who in my life time have given immense entertainment in both codes. I guess if you measure success in terms of All-Irelands certain counties have the bully pulpit because of player resources. Before anyone cites Kilkenny lets tell it as it is. Football is just about tolerated as long as it does not interfere with hurling. The money or resources. I know this having lived there for many years and friends who were good footballers who tried to play for them. On one occasion they turned up for training and there was no football. Mayo, Leitrim, Roscommon, Tyrone etc. and other football stronghold put a lot more into hurling. So to answer the question Galway are up there at the top for their contribution to Gaelic games.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 30/06/2022 14:59:40
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Replying To The_DOC: ""The fundamental principle of the GAA is the promotion of the games.
If you are to talk about who is best at that then you can only compare number of clubs vs population"
Jess lad, def don't be taking up any type of date analysis anytime soon. Sure most GAA clubs are or have been established for nearly 70-80 years - very little new clubs come online mainly due to very little new parishes and/or land for development within cities.
So although club numbers remain 'mainly' the same give or take a few new clubs, clubs amalgamating due to rural population - your base number of clubs will remain roughly the same with population the only differential. Then taking population as a #, its very misleading in terms of GAA. Take one item such as rural de-population for example you could have lads living in Galway and going home to Ballintubber for training, the same is true for Cork/Kerry, Clare/Limerick Dublin (and every county) so your entire theory is very misplaced." Alot of the clubs down here were founded in the 19th century.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11722 - 30/06/2022 15:17:07
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On reflection has any county produced more super stars in both codes. Galway are neck and neck with Cork and I would probable give them the nod because of those fabulous football teams and players in both games. Cork probable on silverware especially in hurling. where they produced their own list of stars. However a close one.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 01/07/2022 15:48:30
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Replying To Canuck: "On reflection has any county produced more super stars in both codes. Galway are neck and neck with Cork and I would probable give them the nod because of those fabulous football teams and players in both games. Cork probable on silverware especially in hurling. where they produced their own list of stars. However a close one." Cork are a long way ahead of Galway in mens Senior All Irelands won. They have won 28 senior camogie titles to Galways 4. They have won 11 senior AI ladies football titles to Galways 1. Cork clubs have won 11 senior AI football championships to Galways 7. Galway clubs have won the club hurling title 13 times to Corks 9. Don't see how you can say they are neck and neck even taking into account the club titles.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11722 - 02/07/2022 11:20:35
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Replying To Viking66: "Cork are a long way ahead of Galway in mens Senior All Irelands won. They have won 28 senior camogie titles to Galways 4. They have won 11 senior AI ladies football titles to Galways 1. Cork clubs have won 11 senior AI football championships to Galways 7. Galway clubs have won the club hurling title 13 times to Corks 9. Don't see how you can say they are neck and neck even taking into account the club titles." you skipped the bit about Galway with 9 Sam's to Cork's 7 but look
all counties are great, the best sport in the world
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "First of all may I congratulate Galway on their great victory yesterday. On your view on this topic I'm afraid imo Dublin are ahead of Galway and then maybe Cork too. You mention all gaa so don't forget Dublin have been the dominant force in senior football for a decade in both men's and ladies football winning several senior all irelands
Also Dublin have won a hurling league and a Leinster title in the last decade. In the last 20 years Galway have one senior hurling win and no football. Cork have won both hurling and football v senior in last 20 years aswell as Ladies and underage all Irelands at minor and u20 etc. I don't think Offaly Clare and Tipp are close to Galway either. Over the last 20 years I would rate top 3 in 1.Dublin.2.Cork 3 Galway" Galway I'd imagine haven't played many if any of their semifinals or finals at home, have Dublin ever won anything away from home?
cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 02/07/2022 12:33:03
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Replying To maroondiesel: "you skipped the bit about Galway with 9 Sam's to Cork's 7 but look
all counties are great, the best sport in the world" Lumped the mens all Irelands into one because Canuck said both codes. Galway would be ahead of us in most categories but not by too many at intercounty level apart from ladies football. But then up until the celtic tiger years and the North Wexford commuter belt we had a tiny population compared to Galway.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11722 - 02/07/2022 14:22:53
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Talk about getting excited over qualifying for an all
Ireland semi.
The fundamental principle of the GAA is the promotion of the games.
If you are to talk about who is best at that then you can only compare number of clubs vs population
Leitrim have 24 clubs for 35000 people, 1 for every 1458
Dublin has 134 clubs for 1,450,0000 people, they are therefore no where near as successful as Leitrim
Cork have 259 clubs for 581,231 people - 1 for every 2244
Limerick are 101 for 205,444 - 1 for 2034
Antrim for 108 for 618,108, way ahead of the Dubs despite 2/3rds of the county despising Irish culture.
Galway have 80 clubs for 276,451 - 1 in 3455
So in reality, while Galway have had a lot of recent underage success, they aren't within an asses roar of competing with Limerick and Cork for the title of Best GAA county in the world ever!" Tirawley
How do you come with a 101 figure for clubs for Limerick. I have just checked a Limerick County website and read all the contact numbers for Club Secretaries in the county. It shows there are 52 clubs in Limerick and quite a few, maybe as much as a quarter, are very small clubs that are just hanging on and have won nothing in ages.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 02/07/2022 15:11:50
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Replying To Viking66: "Lumped the mens all Irelands into one because Canuck said both codes. Galway would be ahead of us in most categories but not by too many at intercounty level apart from ladies football. But then up until the celtic tiger years and the North Wexford commuter belt we had a tiny population compared to Galway." Tiny is stretching it but I get your overall sense. I get miffed with the population thing though. Often used as the only yardstick but reality is a low populated County can do wonders if they are one code only where there is no competition for resources (facilities, financial etc). In fairness Wexford make a good effort to accommodate both codes but it must be very difficult in the likes of Laois and Offaly who make valient efforts to be competitive in both codes. As for us we are doing okay but remember Galway city is not strong overall gaa wise and we depend very much on the rural hinterland to populate our teams.
kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1946 - 02/07/2022 16:26:43
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Replying To Viking66: "Cork are a long way ahead of Galway in mens Senior All Irelands won. They have won 28 senior camogie titles to Galways 4. They have won 11 senior AI ladies football titles to Galways 1. Cork clubs have won 11 senior AI football championships to Galways 7. Galway clubs have won the club hurling title 13 times to Corks 9. Don't see how you can say they are neck and neck even taking into account the club titles." Viking66 if you read what I said again you will see I never said they were ahead or neck and neck with Cork in titles won if that is how you want to judge contribution to our games. I said that in contribution to both codes and in providing great stars they are well up there. Again I would also think that when you look at the amount of clubs Cork pick from compared to Galway you are comparing apples and oranges.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 02/07/2022 16:48:29
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Replying To cuttothebone: "Galway I'd imagine haven't played many if any of their semifinals or finals at home, have Dublin ever won anything away from home?" That's a different argument completely. Very hard to win away if you don't play away. Every county s sucess can be belittled if you check all the facts. Even Galway in hurling. For years they were straight into an all ireland semifinal and I remember when every second year in hurling the winners of Munster and Leinster would go straight into an all ireland final without playing any semi. Some posters used to post Kerry won all Irelands only playing 3 games(but that only happened once). Cork won hurling all ireland with 3 games and Kilkenny too I'd imagine. Now back to the question. I still believe Galway are behind Dublin and Cork in gaa achievements.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 02/07/2022 16:58:33
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Replying To kiloughter: "Tiny is stretching it but I get your overall sense. I get miffed with the population thing though. Often used as the only yardstick but reality is a low populated County can do wonders if they are one code only where there is no competition for resources (facilities, financial etc). In fairness Wexford make a good effort to accommodate both codes but it must be very difficult in the likes of Laois and Offaly who make valient efforts to be competitive in both codes. As for us we are doing okay but remember Galway city is not strong overall gaa wise and we depend very much on the rural hinterland to populate our teams." When I moved here in the early 90s our population was less than 80000. And soccer has always been very popular here too. I think Galway has made a massive contribution to Gaelic games in the country. I'm certainly not trying to belittle their contribution. Merely pointing out that to say they've made the biggest isn't right either.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11722 - 02/07/2022 21:08:50
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "That's a different argument completely. Very hard to win away if you don't play away. Every county s sucess can be belittled if you check all the facts. Even Galway in hurling. For years they were straight into an all ireland semifinal and I remember when every second year in hurling the winners of Munster and Leinster would go straight into an all ireland final without playing any semi. Some posters used to post Kerry won all Irelands only playing 3 games(but that only happened once). Cork won hurling all ireland with 3 games and Kilkenny too I'd imagine. Now back to the question. I still believe Galway are behind Dublin and Cork in gaa achievements." I think too much is made of the venue. If you are the better team you would win it on the beach in Tramore. Home advantage is for spectators and rightly so. Cork were not afraid coming to Walsh Park and won because they were the best team on the day.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 05/07/2022 17:08:58
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