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Replying To ExiledInWex: "The order of precedence should be
1. Goals scored. So if the full time score is 1-10 to 13pts, the team with the goal wins. It makes an "extra goal" worth 4 points really (stealing this one I admit as somebody else made this point and I thought it was good).
2. Extra time with "first to 2 or a goal" winning it. I don't watch American Football but believe the 1st to score a touchdown in extra time wins.
3. Penalties.
But lets look positively, when was the last time in a GAA match the ball was kicked 10 times in a row?" Anything that makes players kick the ball is a good thing.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1392 - 01/07/2022 11:06:59
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Replying To legendzxix: "There is criticism of penalties in some quarters after yesterday. Deciding the match on the day is the right approach. Penalties seem fair enough to determine the winner on the day.
Liam O'Neill, the former GAA President, was giving out about the split season. He reckons July is too early. Instead of a February to July intercounty season, they could go with April to September. The club season then instead of August to January can be October to March. The split season can be retained. The timing is just moved by 2 months." But just a sec... Intercounty season April to September and club season October to March? Isn't that the old way? Or do you mean begin the NFL in April? But wouldn't that mean the club players would be doomed to playing football/hurling in the coldest, wettest part of the year? Isn't that what we were all trying to avoid?
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 07/07/2022 10:34:38
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "The order of precedence should be
1. Goals scored. So if the full time score is 1-10 to 13pts, the team with the goal wins. It makes an "extra goal" worth 4 points really (stealing this one I admit as somebody else made this point and I thought it was good).
2. Extra time with "first to 2 or a goal" winning it. I don't watch American Football but believe the 1st to score a touchdown in extra time wins.
3. Penalties.
But lets look positively, when was the last time in a GAA match the ball was kicked 10 times in a row?" Yep, the NFL rule goes something like this. Each team gets at least one opportunity to score. Therefore if team A go on a drive and get a field goal, team B have a chance to do the same. But here's the twist: as far as I understand, if team A get their field goal and then team B have their opportunity but lose possession, they lose immediately. I believe that's how they do it. Similarly, if team A get possession but fail to score, a field goal will be enough for team B. And in all cases, a touchdown = instant win.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 07/07/2022 10:35:11
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Some interesting suggestions as to alternatives to penalties.
- Penalties first, then extra time.
- Sudden death.
- First to a certain score.
That last one might work. At the end of extra time, the ref blows for full time and immediately restarts one period of extra time with a throw in. Then you could have it that whoever is leading after, say, two scores wins. (A team could score a point but then the other team could get a goal.) Or maybe make it three scores. A team who gets 2 points could still go down to a team who gets a goal. If a team gets 1-1 or 2 goals, the other team can't win with the third score and so the game can end there and then. In all cases, if a team who tries the cute hoor approach and scores an "own point" to hasten the second/third score at no risk of conceding a goal, that score won't count towards the score count but will count on the scoreboard. And in all cases, there's still a time limit. If the requisite amount of scores after 5/10/whatever minutes hasn't happened, whoever's in the lead wins. If no-one's in the lead, just keep playing on (no restart) until the next score.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 07/07/2022 10:36:39
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Replying To Garmin: "jesus that's a lot of b********.. if that's the case they could just have a dance off! stick to the penalties!!" Ha! The counties involved could bring out their Scór set dancing champions, keeping things all nice and GAA and traditional. It's a win-win all round as far as I can see.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 07/07/2022 10:37:51
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "Yep, the NFL rule goes something like this. Each team gets at least one opportunity to score. Therefore if team A go on a drive and get a field goal, team B have a chance to do the same. But here's the twist: as far as I understand, if team A get their field goal and then team B have their opportunity but lose possession, they lose immediately. I believe that's how they do it. Similarly, if team A get possession but fail to score, a field goal will be enough for team B. And in all cases, a touchdown = instant win." No, actually not true. Both teams do not always get an opportunity to score. If the receiving team scores a touchdown on their ball time then it's game over, even with the other team not getting an opportunity. It's one of the biggest issues in NFL and comes up repeatedly when it occurs. The Patriots won a Superbowl this way a few years ago and there was fury as the others didn't get a go.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 07/07/2022 12:21:50
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "Some interesting suggestions as to alternatives to penalties.
- Penalties first, then extra time.
- Sudden death.
- First to a certain score.
That last one might work. At the end of extra time, the ref blows for full time and immediately restarts one period of extra time with a throw in. Then you could have it that whoever is leading after, say, two scores wins. (A team could score a point but then the other team could get a goal.) Or maybe make it three scores. A team who gets 2 points could still go down to a team who gets a goal. If a team gets 1-1 or 2 goals, the other team can't win with the third score and so the game can end there and then. In all cases, if a team who tries the cute hoor approach and scores an "own point" to hasten the second/third score at no risk of conceding a goal, that score won't count towards the score count but will count on the scoreboard. And in all cases, there's still a time limit. If the requisite amount of scores after 5/10/whatever minutes hasn't happened, whoever's in the lead wins. If no-one's in the lead, just keep playing on (no restart) until the next score." All decent enough ideas... but over-complication without any real benefits over penalties. As said previously , in the absence of a replay being possible , penalties are the worst solution apart from all the other possible solutions.
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 839 - 07/07/2022 13:11:17
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Replying To Loughduff Lad: "No, actually not true. Both teams do not always get an opportunity to score. If the receiving team scores a touchdown on their ball time then it's game over, even with the other team not getting an opportunity. It's one of the biggest issues in NFL and comes up repeatedly when it occurs. The Patriots won a Superbowl this way a few years ago and there was fury as the others didn't get a go." Apologies, that's what I meant by touchdown = instant win.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 07/07/2022 18:14:41
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "Apologies, that's what I meant by touchdown = instant win." The rest of your post was correct, but yeah touchdown is an instant win. Which is strange as NFL is a possession game, where you take turns essentially. One team can lose without getting their turn. I really don't like this and many over there don't either. Can't see how this would work well. For all the ideas people are putting forward, they're not better than penalties. No matter what you do, it'll be a cruel way for someone to lose.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 08/07/2022 09:56:38
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Replying To Loughduff Lad: "The rest of your post was correct, but yeah touchdown is an instant win. Which is strange as NFL is a possession game, where you take turns essentially. One team can lose without getting their turn. I really don't like this and many over there don't either. Can't see how this would work well. For all the ideas people are putting forward, they're not better than penalties. No matter what you do, it'll be a cruel way for someone to lose." It's interesting because before they brought in that rule about giving the other team a go if the first team got a field goal, it was a simple next score wins scenario, and a have could end on a field goal with the other team not getting possession. So maybe they indeed need to extend that to a touchdown too.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 08/07/2022 11:18:04
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