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Offaly Best Hurlers From The 1960 And 70S

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Well Fintan O Toole wrote a big piece about the need to save Dublin City Centre post Covid....he must not have been outside the capital much the past 10 years because my local town has dozens of empty store fronts and boarded up buildings going back to the economic crash as do the vast majority of Irish towns.

The de population of rural Ireland is a major issue and effects gaa too. I even see it here in Mayo...the bigger town teams are getting stronger while rural country clubs are struggling."
It is a problem affecting Rural Ireland, with no apparent plan by Government to develop life outside Dublin. I wouldn't be expecting Fintan O'Toole to cast his eye on life past the M50 anytime soon.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 02/02/2021 21:38:56    2330175

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Saw a programme recently on the peat stations closures in the midlands. I think Offaly had 5 of the winning 1982 team who worked in power stations and peatlands. In one estate (can't remember the tow) there were families living there from 20 different counties. The narrated said without this industry Offaly would not have won those All Ireland's.

It brought people in and kept Offaly people at home."
The town was Kilcormac.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 02/02/2021 21:40:01    2330176

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Well Fintan O Toole wrote a big piece about the need to save Dublin City Centre post Covid....he must not have been outside the capital much the past 10 years because my local town has dozens of empty store fronts and boarded up buildings going back to the economic crash as do the vast majority of Irish towns.

The de population of rural Ireland is a major issue and effects gaa too. I even see it here in Mayo...the bigger town teams are getting stronger while rural country clubs are struggling."
Too right and sad too.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 02/02/2021 21:49:50    2330180

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Replying To endgame:  "Offaly won 2 senior All Ireland hurling titles in the 1980s and 2 more in the 1990s. Will they ever win another is a reasonable question to ask.Doubtful i'd say."
Even the great All Ireland winning teams that they had wouldnt win an All Ireland nowadays because of the rule changes I.e. the 5 sub rule and big squads. For a small county like Offaly to have 15 good hurlers come along at the same time is a once in several generations achievement but now it's got even harder for counties with small hurling populations because nowadays it's a 20 man game and you have to have a very strong squad to have a hope of being seriously competitive and in with a chance of winning an All Ireland. If or when the black card comes into hurling it will raise the bar even higher again for counties with small hurling pools. Sadly that's why counties like Offaly and Laois are unlikely to ever make progress at All Ireland level, the rules ensure that the strong stay strong because if you dont have the resources you dont have a hope of winning anything.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 02/02/2021 22:04:42    2330184

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "that is a very good question, and no doubt the analysts will look at the footballers All Ireland win in 1982, 39 years ago this year, and we only got to one semi final since in 1997 and that was closer to the year 1982 than current 2021. We all (in Offaly felt) after 82 that we would be around as a force in some way for a while, but Leinster final defeat to Dublin in 83, a semi final defeat to Dublin in 84, we only scored 0-05 I think to Dublins 0-13 in that game, Matt Connor had his accident Christmas day 1984 and that seems to have been the end of that particular era and squad, we slid down the Divisions there after, won an U21 in 88, which was the seeds of the 1997 senior Leinster and NFL win the following Spring of 1998...we had a fairly decent team up until around 2001 and ran a good Kildare/Meath teams but never quiet got over the line, thats 20 years ago imagine...

THe hurlers are now well in the midst of their "football fall" to use the comparision...people say we have the hurlers, we have good hurlers but I compare them going by intercounty and club games on TG4 during the leagues and some of our club players in Offaly wouldnt make the Ballygunners, Sixmilebridges. Thurles Sarsfields/ Na Piarsaighs/Cuala's etc...yes we have 2 or 3 maybe that would but the others, while not bad hurlers do not compare to some of the club hurlers I have seen with these and other clubs, and to take it a step further, some of these clubs good players dont make the county squad or at least the team, yet ours are "county players"...no disresepect or knocking them, fair dues to them for their committment to Offaly hurling and giving their time, but I honestly think we have slipped a long way down the ladder, and while our club championship is fairly competitive, bar one or two years since Birrs great teams, we get bowled over at first or second fence in Leinster.."
So whats the answer to Offaly's freefall? a county we all delighted to see performing and winning against the best!Do Offaly people want to continue with the status quo or play in a tiered competition?I don't believe its realistic to expect Offaly to return to the top ever with the current structure and giving them more cash won't do it either.Young players in Offaly and in all counties deserve an opportunity to play at elite level,its only right and fair,otherwise they may see their future in other sports outside of GAA.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 02/02/2021 22:08:08    2330185

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "So whats the answer to Offaly's freefall? a county we all delighted to see performing and winning against the best!Do Offaly people want to continue with the status quo or play in a tiered competition?I don't believe its realistic to expect Offaly to return to the top ever with the current structure and giving them more cash won't do it either.Young players in Offaly and in all counties deserve an opportunity to play at elite level,its only right and fair,otherwise they may see their future in other sports outside of GAA."
I was reading somewhere last week where all this "set" training at underage, not only in GAA but in all (team) sports is resulting in alot of drop out and I can see why, as a coach of sports myself, we dont win everygame and I like to think we have a good relationship with my panel, then I go to other sports including GAA (not saying this is specificic to GAA) but I see a fear almost in the the youngsters towards the coaches, dont get me wrong, they coaches are nice lads and all and are former players, but they seem to bring the "hardness" of their senior intercounty and club days down with them, and youngters while obeying and doing what they are told appear to be almost fearful of the coaches..yes its a fine line line between coaching/managing/receiving respect and the supposedly important bit of kids enjoying the game, what ever sport it is..yes you will get a bit of grief from the odd messer if you are not strict, but i dont believe in any underage player being afraid to put a foot wrong either...they are young, those that want to learn will learn, those who are passing through will pass through, encourage them yes, but we cannot mould them into being what they may not want or ever will be...

Offaly I dont know, in a club I hurled with at underage, I did notice alot of fringe players moving away from playing for one reason or another, and next thing they were over the juniors or training the U14's etc...and fair dues, but I often wonder (and I wasnt a county player hands up) do they really posess the skill set to coach and develop, i am sure they have done all the courses etc. but I often wonder is that enough..I know someone has to do it and we all cant have every retired intercounty star back coaching all under age groups, added to my observations of their management attitudes outlined above..its not an easy answer...I do note for several years on the local papers in Offaly, each year its such and such a school crowned Leinster champions in football or hurling, and then when you read on its in the B or even C competition...of course you would be annihalated by the anoraks of the local GAA if you said this openly, but beating a traditional non hurling county schools team by 4/5 points is not going to get you over the line in a Leinster Minor hurling or U20 championship game against Kilkenny or Wexford...we then sit back in Offaly and say we "they done well to compete" etc..education in schools too has become way more important since my day, and most now are educating well, getting there own jobs and professions unlike years ago when the GAA got them jobs, and a few that fall through the cracks I see now are getting coaching jobs with GAA etc. but as I say, many are branching off in their own areas, and often now dont need the GAA, which in itself is a loss to the teams coming up...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 03/02/2021 11:55:45    2330203

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