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Lee Keegan Appreciation - 6 Like(s)
Best player around for about 5 or 6 years in the 2010s. Probably the best all-round player I have ever seen. He can do so many things to an elite standard, it is hard to fathom how the dublin press gang tried to paint him as a mollicker who just fouled their players.
HardCase (National) - 20/09/2021 11:54:42
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Dublin Senior Football Team - 4 Like(s)
Replying To Galway9801: "It's actually quite common for hospitals to choose who lives and who dies, believe it or not, or are you one of these people believe that everyone gets exactly the same attention in hospital, whatever their prognosis.
Reminds me of this time last year, when people were aghast at the sight of body bags in morgues, because, well, of course there were no body bags in morgues before covid.
Thankfully over the past year people have begun to see covid for what it is, an overhyped scare tactic, inflated by dodgy death diagnosis practices, and a grim focus on case numbers, the vast, vast, majority of which cause no harm.
Like I said, I hope the galway lads are training too, don't wanna be left behind guys." It is depressing that people can have this kind of attitude. It is clear that you havent seen much of the virus and it's effects, but it is sad to see that people refuse to listen to those who have, and generally dont look beyond their own noses, and seem to be proud of that fact. There are guys here arguing with medical professionals about a virus - how did we get to be so totally lacking in self-awareness, and so self-important to boot?
I agree with the sentiment that gaa people arguing the case here is like turkeys voting for christmas. Nobody gives a sh*t what senan connell or pat spillane or any of these lads think on the matter. They are all peddling the same party line anyway. Similarly, the dublin county board handing out their own ban was a blatant 'its dealt with now, move on and dont ask any more questions' tactic. The gaa should investigate to see how much of this has gone on and how many people knew and punish those involved.
HardCase (National) - 05/04/2021 13:56:02
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Best Goal Keepers You Seen In Our Lifetime - 4 Like(s)
Replying To Greengrass: "Stephen Cluxton's influence on the game is overestimated. He was a genuinely great keeper but I don't believe he was as influential as people say he was." In the rarified air of the greats l, i would class him as :
Average in the air. Didnt command his area in any meaningful way. Good enough shot stopper. Could lose the head more than average. Very one sided.
The reality is he didnt get tested a whole pile through dublins pomp because they were so dominant over everyone else. He also had some of the best players around at winning kickouts as targets. Mccarthy, fenton, howard, flynn, McCauley, those guys are kickout winning machines.
On the flipside of that, you had a David clarke, whose only weakness was the trajectory of his kickout. But because his team werent as dominant, this got exposed. In reality, his 'poor' kicks were 50 50s. Very often it was the middle third of the team that failed to break even, yet he took the blame.
That is the issue with a lot of judgements being made on players, too much of the criteria used isnt down to the just the keeper themselves.
HardCase (National) - 13/09/2021 20:15:26
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Question For Dubs - 4 Like(s)
Replying To superbluedub: "Explain Kerry and Mayo so ? They have competed with Dublin even got a few draws and could/should have beaten them
Are they getting more money than Kildare etc to create those structures ?" Have they though?
I think they have just managed to compete with them in one off games here and there, in between heavy defeats akin to Aberdeen and celtic in the spl over the years.
Like if that is what people are hanging their hopes on, it is very slim pickings... How long has fenton gone now without losing a championship match? Its time to join the dots here.
All pundits seem to be talking about is the danger of 10 in a row, but it is much bigger than that. Even if mayo actually go and beat them this year - which they wont - do dublin just magically go away then? We already seen that with donegal dont forget. They come back next year and resume where they left off - another raft of all irelands. There is obviously a problem. Dublin fans should acknowledge it.
I see bernard brogan was out on the defensive today. Maybe he forgot about where he said in his own book that he couldnt get a spot for the a v b games. So not even in the top 12 forwards. The same guy probably starts for everyone bar kerry at that time. Sorry but Dublin could tog 2 elite teams 4 years ago, never mind about now.
HardCase (National) - 09/12/2020 17:49:55
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Dublin Senior Football Team - 4 Like(s)
Replying To DUALSUPPORT: "Yeah because these lockdowns are working so well, and are policed fairly. What about people who died because they couldn't get cancer screening appointments because the health service is preoccupied with covid. What about young families that have lost out on mortgage loans because they have being put on pup payments, small business owners and publicans whos livelihoods have being ruined and will not be able to reopen their business when all this is done and people who are committing suicide because of isolation from lockdowns.
I know covid-19 is to be taken seriously and the vulnerable looked after. Precautions should be taken but we are doing in Ireland is over-kill on its citizens, especially when common travel was allowed into the country and it is only in the last week hotel quarantine has started for travel into Ireland. We have the longest and harshest lockdown in Europe on it citizens and let's think about it for a minute, are we any better off for it." Well they are working to be fair. 8000 cases a day down to 500. Policing them is hard work, especially when everyone has this gobsh*te attitude that they are an exception to the rule whenever they feel like it. Yes people died indirectly because of the pandemic, but how is that sombody's fault? It is a global pandemic. People are going to die, be thankful you arent one of them.
Ireland needs lockdowns because we have a terrible health system, we cant afford not to. People who didnt get a mortgage last year can get one next year or the year after. It isnt a big deal at all as far as i can see. Anyone making that kind of argument hasnt a clue as far as im concerned to be honest. That is why this stuff with intercounty gaa players acting the b*ll*x is bad form and needs to be met head on. They can push their auld plamaus in their tv interviews all they like, but actions speak louder than words.
HardCase (National) - 04/04/2021 11:52:33
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Cillian O'connor POTY - 3 Like(s)
Replying To sligo joe: "Yes, you are right if one county has two nominees, the vote in that county is split, a disadvantage to both, simple as. You finishing line is valid whether the three nominees are from three different counties or two of them are from the same county l.e three nominees, three choices. If there are two nominees from one county, it splits their home county vote, a disadvantage." But why are the dublin lads splitting their vote between the two dublin players, as opposed to just voting for the better one of the two for that season? What are they gaining by doing that? It makes no sense.
Surely they just vote for the guy who had the better season, the same as everyone else does? You might get the mayo lads voting for their player, but then no dublin vote is going to the mayo player either so one cancels the other out on that front.
I think this was just a case of sour grapes in the years dublin payers didnt get the award. But this year proves that this auld sob story is not of the relevance that people wanted it to have in the past. You might have an argument if oconnor was miles back in the running, but he was well in it. Either it stops people winning it or it doesnt, you cant have it both ways.
HardCase (National) - 23/02/2021 21:39:33
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Cillian O'connor POTY - 2 Like(s)
Replying To MesAmis: "People always do that though, they don't like the player therfore they'll run down their ability.
Being completely honest, I don't like O'Connor as a player. He's the type of player in any sport that I just don't like. However he's a serious footballer and one of the best finishers I've ever seen.
He doesn't get the credit his ability deserves but that's due to his on field behaviour unfortunately." Really? I dont see why personally. He is a hard working forward, who can score heavily and is ultra cool in front of goal. He is also able to give the defender plenty of what defenders are supposed to give to forwards and is a better tackler than a lot of them. In interviews he doesnt talk in the usual tired old platitudes and just keeps it short. I find him quite refreshing as a player to be honest.
HardCase (National) - 20/02/2021 20:27:21
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Dublin Senior Football Team - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Liffeylad: "Everybody rants about how unfair it is the way Dublin are treated in general i. e. money population home advantage etc so now because it suits the narrative people are looking to punish Dublin more severely than others caught doing exactly the same thing. I don't recall anybody looking for the Cork or Down managers to resign so why Dessie and as for the Cork lady golf captain, I think she has embarrassed herself considering her own county was also caught breaking the rules" But they werent doing the same thing. Gaa was still classed as elite at the time. Furthermore we hadnt seen what covid could do if it got a head of steam up yet when those incidents happened. There was little incidence of the new variant and what that brought to that table. By April we had gotten a rude awakening, but dublin still chose to suit themselves even with the benefit of hindsight. Furthermore, for the guy to get the tip off and be waiting there with the camera - it is fairly clear that it wasnt a one off also.
HardCase (National) - 05/04/2021 22:13:53
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Cillian O'connor POTY - 2 Like(s)
Does fenton winning it disprove the ol 'splitting the Dublin vote' excuse that was peddled in the past?
HardCase (National) - 21/02/2021 09:51:32
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Best Goal Keepers You Seen In Our Lifetime - 2 Like(s)
I was never a big believer in the cluxton hubris personally. His dead ball expertise are unquestioned, but then so are dean rocks. Nobody is saying he is the best forward of all time though.
Connaghan (probably spelled incorrectly) from westmeath was a superior all round keeper for example. These guys rarely get a mention though.
HardCase (National) - 12/09/2021 10:27:01
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Question For Dubs - 2 Like(s)
Replying To waynoI: "I can honestly say that if Dublin is ever split, that's me personally done with it all. I'd never attend a game again and I'd never be interested in watching a game of the tele no matter who it involves. It wouldnt be the Dublin I was brought up on even when that Dublin was getting crushed by Tyrone and Kerry, embarrassing us, not just the Dublin that's winning things. I'd rather see us getting hammered by those teams again and going years without winning all Ireland, than see us split and continue to see a Dublin north or south team beat Kerry in an all ireland. I just cant be bothered with that and I'm sure despite everything, the GAA still need the supporter numbers and of course players in Dublin as it is the most populated county in Ireland. A decision to split us instantly kills the want and desire of the game in Dublin.
Like everyone else, I agree that there are numerous issues that can be addressed and if I'm being honest I wouldbt even know where to begin, but I do know splitting Dublin isnt the answer." Has it not occurred to you that the dublin you support now, is not the dublin you grew up with either? In fact it is the complete opposite of what dublin was. I dont mean the winning, I mean the whole entity.
Or does tradition not bother you when you are winning?
As for the rest of the point, it reads a bit like a thinly veiled threat to the gaa about cutting off funding. You should probably consider what the gaa would be like if the rest of the gaa took the same approach. If you think dublin creates more money than everyone else combined you are deluded. That is 4/5ths of the population on the island and that is where the true power is. If they decided they arent supporting the gaa any longer, the gaa would dice dublin up in seconds.
HardCase (National) - 10/12/2020 13:19:47
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Do The Rest Of The Country Have A Point ? Where Do You Stand? - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Lockjaw: "Hi all, Donegal man in peace here. JoeSoap beat me to it with an awful lot of what he said. A lot of the issues aren't really within the GAA's remit to resolve. Better broadband and infrastructure west of the Shannon would hopefully mean that more of our youth aren't obliged to make the move down to the Big Smoke or even further afield. Alas, not something that can happen overnight unfortunately.
I think the idea of splitting Dublin up is ludicrous and pie in the sky stuff. Amalgamating weaker counties isn't a runner for me either. The GAA thrives on parish and inter county rivalry. Diluting that would undermine some of the essence of what the GAA is all about.
It's not always transferrable but if you look at other sports, take Serie A for example. Juventus have won about 8 in a row titles. You'd get laughed out of the room by the Agnelli's at any suggestion of breaking them up! In sport there will always be winners and losers, how many teams can realistically win the Premier League? About 4 currently. You could argue the same in the GAA. Like it or not, Dublin, Kerry, Mayo and a few others like ourselves, Tyrone and Galway genuinely would feel that given a decent crack they could win the All Ireland. Cork and Meath should be in that mix as well.
I feel that something needs to be done to help weaker counties, more funding certainly. But it isn't as straight-forward as just throwing money at it. You need intelligent qualified people, process driven, who can help the weaker counties improve structures from everything to youth development, S&C, nutrition etc. I would suggest that the GAA employ expert consultants regionally. Task forces or whatever label you want to put on them. Give the players the same tools to succeed that have worked so well in Dublin." Not sure you can really make comparisons with professional soccer to be fair. Players can still do well and earn big money moves to bigger clubs, so their personal achievements and earnings are still in their own hands.
Some clubs have a business model of selling players and that is how they operate, while players are not limited to being from a certain area - it isnt really the same thing.
To any dublin fan Id say put yourself in the other peoples shoes for a minute. What would your honest feeling be if you were from a midsize county in leinster and the gaa funded some - already powerful - county to being miles ahead of you and everyone else and they start dominating all round them. They have players who have never lost a single game, their one time star man tells of not even being able to make a v b matches. Then the gaa turn around and tell you that it was their volunteers all along that were making the difference, and so by extension, your own efforts in your club are what is to blame, not the cash or the coaches or the home advantage etc etc . Then their ex-manager goes on the tele and says that the solution is that everyone else should join up instead. If you are any ways fair-minded and self-aware, you will start to see the picture.
Many say, 'well it isnt dublins fault' when they hear this kind of argument. But it isnt the other county's fault either is it?
What is going to happen next is that people will start asking if dublin's success is any ways meaningful and that is harsh on the players, many of whom are great role models for the entire country. But that is just the reality of the situation, and while it is harsh on them, what has preceeded is even harsher on those who have missed out because of the gaa deciding it wanted all the dublin public's money it could get. Think mattie donnelly, peter harte, ryan mchugh, lee keegan, keith higgins - guys just as good as those dublin lads who will probably never get an all ireland medal because of it. Those are the lads who have given the most and lost the most because of it.
HardCase (Dublin) - 10/12/2020 15:18:42
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Football Is Finished - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Greengrass: "[quote=GeniusGerry: "This is one of the better and more factual summaries that I have read about the evolution of Dublin football from an organisational standpoint over the years, there doesn't appear to be any bias in it which is unusual for a piece on this topic. Good read in case anybody missed it:
link" HardCase (National) - 12/12/2020 15:28:11
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Four Teams Representing Dublin Geographic Area! - 2 Like(s)
Replying To arock: "Splitting Dublin up into chunks would work if it was based on fairness, similar to the Irish electoral constituencies. Catchments based on population because that is what people asking Dublin to be split seem to suggesting. But of course we know it is not about that at all. It is not about fairness, it is about "stopping Dublin". These people are "football heads" who loathe hurling and the club game and couldnt care less about the sport they are "following". The inter county football game/sport in Dublin would fall apart. But I am confident and I will state here and now it will never happen. Those who think it will do not know anything about how this Association works." I wouldnt be so sure to be honest. The 'association works' on cash, plain and simple. And while it has suited their cause to squeeze as much money out of dublin as they can, if they go to the point of alienating the rest of the country, an about face wouldnt be long coming about. Remember there is one fifth of the island population in dublin, but that also means there are four fifths not in dublin. If that scenario is created, where it is dublin against the rest, the association would throw dublin to the lions in a flash.
In all honesty, if they were happy to treat everyone else so unfairly to cash in on the dubs, you are deluded to think the same thing wouldnt be repeated the other way around.
HardCase (National) - 08/02/2021 10:51:34
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Boards Forum Restructuring - 1 Like(s)
Replying To GreenandRed: "You prove yourself wrong every time you post. You're a Junior C level attention-seeking troll. Always have been. This forum would prosper without you." Why didnt you answer the point put to you?
If you think it would be better without me, on indeed the lad with the multiple accounts, you might want to take a look at your own actions on this thread. Playing the man repeatedly, going over the top with the insults in the process. And you think it would prosper with that type of poster being the norm?
Im telling you straight out, Im not him. The only reason Im keeping up my protests is because fellas here seem so sure that they are right, when in fact they are completely wrong, Im holding out on the hope that the admins do check it and they will have to wind their necks right back in.
HardCase (National) - 07/09/2020 11:51:38
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Cillian O'connor POTY - 1 Like(s)
He had a remarkable season truth be told. Fitzsimons is arguably the stickiest marker out there. You don't see him beaten like that, it doesnt happen. When you consider coc was on a downward trajectory the last few years, it is hard not to give him the upmost credit for the season he had. However, kilkenny had a really great season also, and Id be slightly leaning to him for the award, but i agree with the sentiment regarding oconnors season, like him or loath him, you have to admire his grit.
HardCase (National) - 20/02/2021 20:05:09
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2020 Football All Stars - 1 Like(s)
Replying To sligo joe: "Urban myth, having attended nearly all of Dublins games in Cluxton's time, and well before it, this theory that Dublin's defence is weak under the high ball, I can assure you is fake news. All the top teams tried it against Dublin and got no change ( bar one penalty incident, cooper on clifford) and quickly learned it wasn't working. Yet every year come the semifinal and final it comes up again, a few years ago it was Kieran Donaghy on the edge of the square, Mayo tried it with Aido, Tyrone even put Colm Cavanagh in for a while, none worked. Anything high coming in there is met by a strong fist from Clucko, and if you haven't noticed that you need to pay more attention." In fairness, in those instances dublin dropped the likes of flynn and mccarthy back to help out when those things did happen. I dont think that qualifies the dublin defense as solid in the air. In fact id say it is one of the rare occasions where dublin let the tactics of the opposition dictate their gameplan. To any objective observer, Id suggest that would indicate an acknowledgement of a weakness, personally. They dealt with it well, but it was well signposted, not unlike aidan oshea going in to mark donaghy a few years back - the fact that donaghy is starting lets you make that call. However, if it wasnt signposted, and a michael murphy drifted in from midfield with an opportune ball put it, that would be a proper test. However, the reality is since dublin keep so much possession, and look to get ahead and then set up quite defensively, this doesnt come about. Again, I would argue that this is deliberate with their aerial weakness in mind.
HardCase (National) - 20/02/2021 20:17:37
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Question For Dubs - 1 Like(s)
Replying To jimski: "Correct me if I'm wrong but..but.. didn't Dublin win the All Ireland in each of those years?? I seem to remember the so-called Drive for Five??" Exactly.
Serious revisionism going on lately. It is painful to listen to.
Meanwhile Fenton could potentially go his entire time at ic football unbeaten. I have to say, it is disappointing to see the trend emerging that dublin fans and indeed those higher up the ladder, seem like they couldnt give a toss about the gaa, outside of dublin gaa. It isnt what the thing is supposed to be about. No person from outside dublin had an issue with dublin getting the investment in the first place, even though it probably meant their own counties had less of a chance of winning something. It is disappointing that the opposite seems like something that dublin fans could never fathom taking place.
HardCase (National) - 10/12/2020 01:04:25
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How Many More All Irelands For This Limerick Team? - 1 Like(s)
Congrats to limerick. A crushing display of men against boys that will be difficult to take for waterford. They were just bullied out of the way.
Obviously limerick have some fantastic volunteers at their disposal...
A similar result next week and surely the question of investment wil come under the microscope of the gaa.
HardCase (National) - 13/12/2020 17:28:18
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Do The Rest Of The Country Have A Point ? Where Do You Stand? - 1 Like(s)
Replying To arock: "No one has even identified the problem not alone addressed a solution. Dublin GAA will never agree to a split unless its it part of a comprehensive analysis of problems. You cant stop funding to one county because one code is successful, how the hell do you do thst without ending up in court! Whatever happens it has to be agreed by Dublin" The problem has been identified though. The funding can be, and has been, measured exactly to dublins run of success. They are on record to say that they see themselves as more of a province when getting funding.
I agree that you cant stop funding, but then you probably cant start pumping funding into one team just because they are a top 4 team rather than a top 1 team. Yet, that is the position we now find ourselves in, and amazingly, nobody went to court...
The truth is it doesnt need to be agreed to by dublin, if it comes down to it. Being a county, they get the same vote as leitrim or anyone else. If the dubs keep up the attitude of, basically, 'f the lot of youz', they will just alienate the rest f the country. Nobody is going to just stay there and keep taking kicks. Ask yourself, would dublin do it?
The bottom line is dublin are talking out of both sides of their mouths a bit. They want to be a province when funds are spoken about, but when they are competing they want to be a county. At some stage, someone is going to say, you cant have it both ways. Is it smart to wait for that to happen?
HardCase (Dublin) - 17/12/2020 19:56:32
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