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David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?

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David Clifford has 2 won 2 minor all ireland and 2 hogans cups. Cooper didnt have DC great underage record. Clifford has done the business against ulster sides something which Gooch (people might argue)(never done. He never beat a Ulster team in aI final. Clifford has everything strength, pace, too footed and cool as a cucumber. Will Clifford surpass Gooch cooper to be the greatest footballer of all time?

BartMcQueen (Cork) - 10/10/2017 11:25:47    2054345

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David Clifford to surpass the Gooch?

Yeah I could see him raking in at least half a mil at this testimonial sca…….dinner.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 10/10/2017 12:17:32    2054359

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It's impossible to predict and ridiculous to be touting a very good underage player as potentially the greatest player ever. Even in the Case of a good senior player we can't really judge them against past greats until late in their career. Yes David does have a very bright future but as well as the talent he has he will also need some luck along the way. Cooper will admit that he was very lucky coming into a Kerry team with the likes of Seamus Moynihan, the O Se brothers and other great players. At the minute David Clifford will not have this luxury.

imonmyway (Mayo) - 10/10/2017 12:22:00    2054362

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Really feel for the lad with the hype around him now nationally, i dont think a minor footballer has ever had this profile before.

Looks a fantastic talent, but really no one knows will he be as dominant at U20 or senior as he was at minor. Minor is a difficult age, when some lads are more advanced physically often other lads and development can increase or decline very rapidly.

I hope the lads has a great career, but i think he wold benefit from an "if" philosophy then a "when" one.

TheUsername (Dublin) - 10/10/2017 12:53:49    2054378

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I remember the same being said about Joe Canning and it took him til 28 to win his first senior all ireland.

Foley91 (Meath) - 10/10/2017 13:55:29    2054403

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Replying To BartMcQueen:  "David Clifford has 2 won 2 minor all ireland and 2 hogans cups. Cooper didnt have DC great underage record. Clifford has done the business against ulster sides something which Gooch (people might argue)(never done. He never beat a Ulster team in aI final. Clifford has everything strength, pace, too footed and cool as a cucumber. Will Clifford surpass Gooch cooper to be the greatest footballer of all time?"
Was Cooper not playing against Donegal in 2014 when Kerry won?

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - 10/10/2017 14:19:09    2054413

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Replying To BartMcQueen:  "David Clifford has 2 won 2 minor all ireland and 2 hogans cups. Cooper didnt have DC great underage record. Clifford has done the business against ulster sides something which Gooch (people might argue)(never done. He never beat a Ulster team in aI final. Clifford has everything strength, pace, too footed and cool as a cucumber. Will Clifford surpass Gooch cooper to be the greatest footballer of all time?"
By that logic Cork may as well give up the football cos Gooch absolutely terrorized Cork.
Maybe that explains why they are in the state they are already

Superglue (Kerry) - 10/10/2017 14:19:54    2054414

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Was Cooper not playing against Donegal in 2014 when Kerry won?
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts:597 - 10/10/2017 14:19:09


No

MesAmis (Dublin) - 10/10/2017 16:11:48    2054459

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Was Cooper not playing against Donegal in 2014 when Kerry won?"
No. He didn't play a single minute of the 2014 campaign, although he does have a medal. He played in an incredible 9 finals, winning 4 of them. If Clifford manages something close to that, I'm sure he'd be delighted.
The title of this thread is nonsense. Comparing an excellent minor, to one of the greatest players to have played the game.
Some of the best senior players of the last 20 years, weren't the stand-out players on their minor teams. Likewise, many great minor talents didn't have great senior careers.
I've no doubt Clifford will make an excellent senior, if he stays, but to set the comparison at this stage as Gooch is ridiculous.

WanPintWin (Galway) - 10/10/2017 22:39:51    2054539

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Replying To BartMcQueen:  "David Clifford has 2 won 2 minor all ireland and 2 hogans cups. Cooper didnt have DC great underage record. Clifford has done the business against ulster sides something which Gooch (people might argue)(never done. He never beat a Ulster team in aI final. Clifford has everything strength, pace, too footed and cool as a cucumber. Will Clifford surpass Gooch cooper to be the greatest footballer of all time?"
Oh ffs

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 11/10/2017 06:12:28    2054562

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The thing is GAA is becoming more professional and individuality is become scare in GAA.
Gooch was an outstanding footballer and football when he came on board allowed him to blossom (played in the mannEr it should be played!! , man v man)

It is going to much more harder for David Clifford to have the same impact, he used to being the star at underage but will he have the work rate that will be needed at senior level. Unfortunately he will have to spend as much time trying to defend as he will trying to score...so it will be how his temperament holds up to having to deal with this and going against 7/8 backs which will define his early career at senior level.

But ingredient wise he has the makings of being up there with the best Kerry has ever produced but only time will tell.

Not too long ago O Donoghue was being labelled as better than Gooch within Kerry but that mantle didnt take long to fall away.

woops (Kerry) - 11/10/2017 10:52:11    2054586

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Replying To woops:  "The thing is GAA is becoming more professional and individuality is become scare in GAA.
Gooch was an outstanding footballer and football when he came on board allowed him to blossom (played in the mannEr it should be played!! , man v man)

It is going to much more harder for David Clifford to have the same impact, he used to being the star at underage but will he have the work rate that will be needed at senior level. Unfortunately he will have to spend as much time trying to defend as he will trying to score...so it will be how his temperament holds up to having to deal with this and going against 7/8 backs which will define his early career at senior level.

But ingredient wise he has the makings of being up there with the best Kerry has ever produced but only time will tell.

Not too long ago O Donoghue was being labelled as better than Gooch within Kerry but that mantle didnt take long to fall away."
Aye woops, who was it said gooch was a one trick pony?
Well jod was the one hit wonder :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - 11/10/2017 12:11:17    2054621

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Replying To BartMcQueen:  "David Clifford has 2 won 2 minor all ireland and 2 hogans cups. Cooper didnt have DC great underage record. Clifford has done the business against ulster sides something which Gooch (people might argue)(never done. He never beat a Ulster team in aI final. Clifford has everything strength, pace, too footed and cool as a cucumber. Will Clifford surpass Gooch cooper to be the greatest footballer of all time?"
Nope hard to judge at this age

IrishGael3 (USA) - 11/10/2017 19:06:21    2054760

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Great thread, I think we can all say Clifford is in fact the greatest player of all time as it is.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - 12/10/2017 15:16:05    2054881

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Great thread, I think we can all say Clifford is in fact the greatest player of all time as it is."
The hype somewhat softens the blow from the reality-check that they recieved this summer.

Vishred (Mayo) - 12/10/2017 16:27:21    2054892

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Replying To Vishred:  "The hype somewhat softens the blow from the reality-check that they recieved this summer."
It's the rest of the country that's hyping up Clifford, if you look back through all the Clifford threads you'll see that.

We know more than most that great minors don't always make it to senior level as we saw with jack ferriter Barry John Walsh and paddy curran and maybe even killian Spillane.

No Down here we're just glad David has decided not to go to oz and that he'll stay here and try and make us a better team if he can.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - 12/10/2017 19:34:49    2054921

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "It's the rest of the country that's hyping up Clifford, if you look back through all the Clifford threads you'll see that.

We know more than most that great minors don't always make it to senior level as we saw with jack ferriter Barry John Walsh and paddy curran and maybe even killian Spillane.

No Down here we're just glad David has decided not to go to oz and that he'll stay here and try and make us a better team if he can."
F**k me Vishred...if any county has learnt about hype vs reality it is Mayo!

woops (Kerry) - 13/10/2017 08:28:13    2054966

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "It's the rest of the country that's hyping up Clifford, if you look back through all the Clifford threads you'll see that.

We know more than most that great minors don't always make it to senior level as we saw with jack ferriter Barry John Walsh and paddy curran and maybe even killian Spillane.

No Down here we're just glad David has decided not to go to oz and that he'll stay here and try and make us a better team if he can."
Judging by the threads on here and articles written in the papers by former Kerry players giving out about him possibly going to Australia I'm not so sure if the hype around him is all outside of Kerry.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 13/10/2017 09:52:19    2054987

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Judging by the threads on here and articles written in the papers by former Kerry players giving out about him possibly going to Australia I'm not so sure if the hype around him is all outside of Kerry."
Of course we want him to stay, he is the best underage prospect we have ever seen, and we had another potential star move to Oz just last year. But it's not Kerry people putting all those daft articles on SportsJoe and the like, building him up to be the savior of the GAA. He can be a big star in the game but he needs time, most Kerry folk that I meet realise that.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - 13/10/2017 10:47:37    2055004

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Clifford WILL outpass the Gooch most likely in a BMW on the M50 south bound,

Damothedub (Dublin) - 13/10/2017 10:54:28    2055009

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