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Charlie Redmond's Jim McGuinness comments

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https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0718/891132-charlie-redmond/

While I don't want to wade back into the ins and outs of the Diarmuid Connolly saga I thought Redmond's comments were a bit silly?

I can remember McGuinness staunchly standing up for Ryan Bradley after his first Championship match in charge against Antrim live on RTE.
Also, the comments about McGuinness bringing the game to depths it had never seen previously? You'd swear he rewrote the rulebook or something.

Redmond is a great GAA man but he's not talking sense on this occasion in my opinion.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9131 - 18/07/2017 11:27:19    2018545

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Charlie disregards anything Jimmy has to say because of the way he sets his team up? hardly an opinion worth paying attention to. I doubt he shy'd away from all ireland celebrations with his own county in recent years despite them playing a similar brand of football.

He clearly didn't read Jimmy's article otherwise he'd have seen examples of when he defended his own players. Jimmy also knew when a player overstepped his mark to the detriment of the team and took action when necessary. A good leader does both, maybe part of the reason DC keeps getting in trouble is because he knows his manager will back him regardless of how guilty he is.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 18/07/2017 16:30:49    2018779

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Silly from Charlie & him with Donegal connections as well!!

I don't think he ever really got over the fact that it was his missed penalty that turned the tide in the 1992 final against Donegal. 25 years later & it still hurts....

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 18/07/2017 16:44:56    2018790

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How these boys get coverage is beyond me. McGuinness brought football to an all time low, such horses***e.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7887 - 18/07/2017 17:16:42    2018810

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So the Gospel according to Jim is allowed but when someone offers a different opinion they are being silly. No coincidence thread was setup by his cult followers. If you were being honest and there was a lot of Donegal fans who despised his brand of handball. He did bring defensive football to a new level (low) I will always have the memory of 2011 when the ball was thrown up and the 3 donegal forwards put there heads down and sprinted into a defensive position they were not even interested if they won the throw up.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 18/07/2017 17:19:40    2018812

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Jim Mc Guinness done great for Donegal and that's all that will be remembered at this stage.
He obviously addressed their discipline issues and organised them into a proper competitive unit that won the ultimate prize.
He did however bring the defensive aspect to a new level whether it be a highpoint or a low point for the game.
He's not shy about giving his opinion so others are entitled to theirs too.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 18/07/2017 17:47:39    2018826

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Never listened to Redmond since he wrote in papers and mcguinness constantly has to reference everything to soccer since he went to Celtic, he also contradicts himself as much as Joe brolly with some of the assertions he makes his latest on the connolly incident regarding match of the day was one example.
Also looks for championship reform based on soccer but yet never sees anything wrong with golf having world number ones in same competition as the bottom ranked, darts top players play qualifiers in the world championship, tennis has it's best against worst in grand slams too it happens in vast majority of sports even his beloved soccer when the likes of real Madrid get lumped into a group with minnows from weaker European leagues who haven't a hope.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/07/2017 17:48:25    2018827

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Replying To catch22:  "Jim Mc Guinness done great for Donegal and that's all that will be remembered at this stage.
He obviously addressed their discipline issues and organised them into a proper competitive unit that won the ultimate prize.
He did however bring the defensive aspect to a new level whether it be a highpoint or a low point for the game.
He's not shy about giving his opinion so others are entitled to theirs too."
Entitled to opinion yes but when it's just plain horses***? As Lockjaw said one of the first times Jim McGuinness came to the National attention as Donegal manager was over the handling of the motm award against Antrim and the slight on Ryan Bradley. To say Jim Gavin "stood up for his player in a way Jim McGuinness never did or never could do" sure just plain factually wrong. As for having no regard for what Jim McGuinness says because of the depths he brought defensive football to...... well Charlie he certainly achieved a lot more in management than you ever did!

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 18/07/2017 18:07:48    2018836

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McGuinness' original article was BS too

Gavin didn't speak to the Sunday game once and he greatly over blown the actual importance of that..

The language he used was pretty ridiculous

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 18/07/2017 18:24:34    2018842

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Replying To jimbodub:  "McGuinness' original article was BS too

Gavin didn't speak to the Sunday game once and he greatly over blown the actual importance of that..

The language he used was pretty ridiculous"
Mcguiness asertation that gavin should apologise and brought the game into disrepute is also bullsxxt. Mcguiness is now a paid pundit what else was he going to do other than stick up for a fellow pundit.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 18/07/2017 18:33:11    2018848

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On a separate note I don't think Curran or Redmond by crititizing other counties is helping Dublin's cause Curran did it with an ill advised interview before the league final they are only giving other counties ammunition and motivation.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 18/07/2017 18:39:36    2018851

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Replying To benched:  "Entitled to opinion yes but when it's just plain horses***? As Lockjaw said one of the first times Jim McGuinness came to the National attention as Donegal manager was over the handling of the motm award against Antrim and the slight on Ryan Bradley. To say Jim Gavin "stood up for his player in a way Jim McGuinness never did or never could do" sure just plain factually wrong. As for having no regard for what Jim McGuinness says because of the depths he brought defensive football to...... well Charlie he certainly achieved a lot more in management than you ever did!"
Again, ya , thats just your opinion which you are entitled to.Paper never refused ink and all that.
As the saying goes, opinions are like a**holes.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 18/07/2017 18:58:04    2018864

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "So the Gospel according to Jim is allowed but when someone offers a different opinion they are being silly. No coincidence thread was setup by his cult followers. If you were being honest and there was a lot of Donegal fans who despised his brand of handball. He did bring defensive football to a new level (low) I will always have the memory of 2011 when the ball was thrown up and the 3 donegal forwards put there heads down and sprinted into a defensive position they were not even interested if they won the throw up."
more a rant than a different opinion from Charlie unless you can explain it any better yourself? if you have a fresh memory of 2011 you'll remember the ultra defensive brand used by Pat Gilroy that year, when the general feeling amongst Dubs was as long as they get over the line and win their fitst AI in donkeys years they dont care what way it played out. So to criticise a team coming from a much lower potential for doing what they had to do in order to be successful is a bit hypocritical.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 18/07/2017 19:06:39    2018869

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Charlie disregards anything Jimmy has to say because of the way he sets his team up? hardly an opinion worth paying attention to. I doubt he shy'd away from all ireland celebrations with his own county in recent years despite them playing a similar brand of football.

He clearly didn't read Jimmy's article otherwise he'd have seen examples of when he defended his own players. Jimmy also knew when a player overstepped his mark to the detriment of the team and took action when necessary. A good leader does both, maybe part of the reason DC keeps getting in trouble is because he knows his manager will back him regardless of how guilty he is."
You have to play a similar brand to counter everyone else setting up defensively

Dublin are not a defence first side

Dublin are a very well balanced team now and that's why since 2014 they've had so much success

They learned how to counter the counter

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 18/07/2017 19:25:39    2018881

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Guys with a bit of sense will ignore what they say as it is only their opinions. I do believe that a manager should stand up for his team members. I was not impressed how McGuiness went over the top in dealing with the article by Bogue a few years back

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 18/07/2017 19:29:17    2018882

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "more a rant than a different opinion from Charlie unless you can explain it any better yourself? if you have a fresh memory of 2011 you'll remember the ultra defensive brand used by Pat Gilroy that year, when the general feeling amongst Dubs was as long as they get over the line and win their fitst AI in donkeys years they dont care what way it played out. So to criticise a team coming from a much lower potential for doing what they had to do in order to be successful is a bit hypocritical."
Big difference between Dublin's setup and Donegal Dublin didn't pull 14 / 15 players behind the ball what Gilroy did do was insist on the half backs holding there positions and didn't give them license to bomb forward that's why Dublin won the low scoring farce of a game in 2011 when Donegal pulled everyone back the Dublin backs didn't follow them which didn't expose them to the counter attack we probaly would have won in 2014 if we employed a similar strategy.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 18/07/2017 19:35:48    2018885

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "Big difference between Dublin's setup and Donegal Dublin didn't pull 14 / 15 players behind the ball what Gilroy did do was insist on the half backs holding there positions and didn't give them license to bomb forward that's why Dublin won the low scoring farce of a game in 2011 when Donegal pulled everyone back the Dublin backs didn't follow them which didn't expose them to the counter attack we probaly would have won in 2014 if we employed a similar strategy."
We missed chances and were very tactically naive in 2014. Gavin tried to go the attacking route but failed. We weren't a balanced side.

He rectified that and went on the greatest run of competive games unbeaten in GAA history winning everything put in front of them.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 18/07/2017 19:46:07    2018892

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Replying To jimbodub:  "You have to play a similar brand to counter everyone else setting up defensively

Dublin are not a defence first side

Dublin are a very well balanced team now and that's why since 2014 they've had so much success

They learned how to counter the counter"
Dublin also have by far and away the best attacking options in the country. Its easy to preach at other counties with lesser options about how football should be played. Donegal may have been ultra defensive in 2011 but they evolved the following year and got the balance spot on and won an AI for their efforts, with a lot less attacking talent than Dublin so credit where its due. We still see cracking matches in the modern era and Donegal are far from the death of football.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 18/07/2017 19:51:47    2018895

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "Big difference between Dublin's setup and Donegal Dublin didn't pull 14 / 15 players behind the ball what Gilroy did do was insist on the half backs holding there positions and didn't give them license to bomb forward that's why Dublin won the low scoring farce of a game in 2011 when Donegal pulled everyone back the Dublin backs didn't follow them which didn't expose them to the counter attack we probaly would have won in 2014 if we employed a similar strategy."
very cautious play from such a talented team. Surely it must make sense to you then that a less talented team like Donegal may have to show even more restrictions in their play in order to be in with a chance. Donegal may have been rigid in their approach in 2011 but without those foundations they wouldnt have been AI champions a year later.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 18/07/2017 20:00:47    2018898

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I find the whole thing funny, Jim Mcguiness isn't qualified to give Jim Galvin advice about management really, he's a far less successful manager, be like the Leitrim keeper giving Cluxton kick out advice (no offence).

He's a media jock now and part of the remit is to create controversiry and boost his profile. I'm sure he's not bothered by a Charle bomb here or there.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 18/07/2017 20:04:22    2018900

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