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I didn't see the game live but watching the highlights and it showed some reckless tackles from Down and Brolly admittted eight could have been sent off but it's ok.....why? Everyone admires Down but why are one a judged different to another? I could only imagine if it were Mayo or Dublin what the reasguln would be. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 25/06/2017 22:32:51 2005171 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "I didn't see the game live but watching the highlights and it showed some reckless tackles from Down and Brolly admittted eight could have been sent off but it's ok.....why? Everyone admires Down but why are one a judged different to another? I could only imagine if it were Mayo or Dublin what the reasguln would be." Brolly was just being Brolly when he suggested there could have been eight red cards at the Athletic Grounds. There were certainly some big hits from both sides, and McParland deserved his early yellow for landing on McManus, but there were nothing else which could really have justified a dismissal. The game was largely played in a good spirit and, rather than ignoring aggression from Down, the referee if anything gave Monaghan a series of dubious frees in the last quarter. MourneRising (Down) - Posts: 238 - 25/06/2017 23:24:59 2005226 Link
Replying To MourneRising: "Brolly was just being Brolly when he suggested there could have been eight red cards at the Athletic Grounds. There were certainly some big hits from both sides, and McParland deserved his early yellow for landing on McManus, but there were nothing else which could really have justified a dismissal. The game was largely played in a good spirit and, rather than ignoring aggression from Down, the referee if anything gave Monaghan a series of dubious frees in the last quarter." Watch it back, down played on the edge Darren O'Hagan drops the knees twice on McManus, the full black cleaned out Corey with elbow to the face. Jerome Drops knees on Ryan Wylie, Conaill McGovern dragged McCarron down with a neck lock. McParland pushing McCarron in the face while on a yellow card. Then Donal O'Hare clearly kicks Beggan in the face and no ball near Beggan face. All these on a different day could have resulted in Red Cards. Down layed down a marker they played on the edge and sometimes crossed it. They physically bullied Monaghan. But if a misdemeanour is carried out then it's up to the referee to act on the incidents. They didn't and we move on. Now I'm not for one moment complaining about it. Down brought great passion and played some great football, they deserved there victory due to Monaghan poor shooting at the start and missing too many frees. shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 25/06/2017 23:45:29 2005250 Link
Didn't see any red cards Down had fire in the belly and certainly got in the faces of Monaghan McManus got some heavy treatment all of which was on the margins / certainly a few more flashes of yellow early might have calmed it From my perspective down should have had 2/4 yellows which might have slowed them down but had 3 very harsh calls against when game was in the melting pot In balance I would thing if the game was a draw Down would have legitimate gripe with Ref ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 26/06/2017 00:33:59 2005274 Link
Replying To ruanua: "Didn't see any red cards Down had fire in the belly and certainly got in the faces of Monaghan McManus got some heavy treatment all of which was on the margins / certainly a few more flashes of yellow early might have calmed it From my perspective down should have had 2/4 yellows which might have slowed them down but had 3 very harsh calls against when game was in the melting pot In balance I would thing if the game was a draw Down would have legitimate gripe with Ref" Dropping knees on a player is a red card offence, Ryan McMenamin I remember getting done for dropping the knees on John McEntee all them years ago. Monaghan had massive gripes with soft Down frees in the first half ans coldrick was booed off my the Monaghan contingent. If you watch the Frees Monaghan got in the second half and not listen to Tommy Carr on commentary you will notice yes they were marginal calls but the ref saw fouls. shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 26/06/2017 01:28:35 2005283 Link
Brolly is a pantomime pundit nothing else. Just says things to get attention. Ciaran Whelan Thomas o se best pundits out there at the minute. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1798 - 26/06/2017 09:03:13 2005367 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "I didn't see the game live but watching the highlights and it showed some reckless tackles from Down and Brolly admittted eight could have been sent off but it's ok.....why? Everyone admires Down but why are one a judged different to another? I could only imagine if it were Mayo or Dublin what the reasguln would be." Brolly is a hypocrite. Case in point: his media campaign against Mayo's cynical play before the 2012 All-Ireland final, none of which involved dropping knees on prone opposition players. Yet he laughs off a couple of incidents yesterday which, if seen by the officials, constitute serious foul play. He's just an Ulster partisan hack at this stage, a mirror image of Spillane and his pro-Kerry bias. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 26/06/2017 10:14:54 2005468 Link
Brolly made a stupid point that the referee 'did well' by not refereeing it at all! The referee had a shocker, what I saw of it. It was never a penalty, the Down lad could play in the Premiership, just deliberately initiated contact & fell over a prone player who was attempting a clean block, or possibly even worse had to slightly fall over to initiate that contact. Terrible referee, not to spot that. I'm surprised that it hasn't been highlighted by 'pundits'. He must have realised he'd been conned on the peno, because he gave Monaghan a good few wrong decisions in the last 10mins. I thought he was trying to draw it. Unconvincing refereeing performance imo. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3410 - 26/06/2017 11:42:56 2005570 Link
I usually pass no remarks on Brolly but I thought he was very hypocritical last night. In one breath he was saying he could understand Connolly's frustrations with the linesman as he had no protection from the 3 Carlow players and in the next breath he was praising Down's aggression while highlighting 3 of them push McManus to the ground while another put his knee in to him.... does he not think McManus deserves the same protection as Connolly? And as for his rant about Spillane, what an absolute joke considering how he treated Sean Cavanagh. I had to turn the telly off last night turkeyplucker (UK) - Posts: 137 - 26/06/2017 11:47:36 2005574 Link
The tone was set early on when Corey and McManus were cleaned out out of at the one time, and a third man came in late on McManus with a knee and the fist left in. For all the talk of the ref riding Down late on, Coldrick did us no favours in the first half. Still, no complaints about the result here, the better and hungrier team won on the night and we've played on the edge before when we had our backs against the wall. All the best to Down in the final. patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 26/06/2017 11:54:31 2005585 Link
Replying To turkeyplucker: "I usually pass no remarks on Brolly but I thought he was very hypocritical last night. In one breath he was saying he could understand Connolly's frustrations with the linesman as he had no protection from the 3 Carlow players and in the next breath he was praising Down's aggression while highlighting 3 of them push McManus to the ground while another put his knee in to him.... does he not think McManus deserves the same protection as Connolly? And as for his rant about Spillane, what an absolute joke considering how he treated Sean Cavanagh. I had to turn the telly off last night" Totally agree, he has become a out and out hypocrite. How can he stand by Spillane rant after what he said about S Kavanagh etc etc seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2136 - 26/06/2017 12:11:46 2005604 Link
Replying To turkeyplucker: "I usually pass no remarks on Brolly but I thought he was very hypocritical last night. In one breath he was saying he could understand Connolly's frustrations with the linesman as he had no protection from the 3 Carlow players and in the next breath he was praising Down's aggression while highlighting 3 of them push McManus to the ground while another put his knee in to him.... does he not think McManus deserves the same protection as Connolly? And as for his rant about Spillane, what an absolute joke considering how he treated Sean Cavanagh. I had to turn the telly off last night" Rarely get the guy but actually got his point yesterday. With Connolly incident, he was saying there was a general skirmish which the ref let go (Connolly been held) and he also let go Connollys' reaction (the infamous push) and moved on. He went on to say there was no need then for all the scrutiny afterwards as the ref dealt with it as he saw fit. For Down, he was talking about their need for aggression and passion. Talking about 8 red cards was just for show, watched the game and no sending offs were required. poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 26/06/2017 12:20:25 2005613 Link
Replying To ruanua: "Didn't see any red cards Down had fire in the belly and certainly got in the faces of Monaghan McManus got some heavy treatment all of which was on the margins / certainly a few more flashes of yellow early might have calmed it From my perspective down should have had 2/4 yellows which might have slowed them down but had 3 very harsh calls against when game was in the melting pot In balance I would thing if the game was a draw Down would have legitimate gripe with Ref" Have to agree with you on all points,brolly is away with the birds,just wants his name in the paper cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 26/06/2017 13:06:42 2005670 Link
Replying To poguemahone: "Rarely get the guy but actually got his point yesterday. With Connolly incident, he was saying there was a general skirmish which the ref let go (Connolly been held) and he also let go Connollys' reaction (the infamous push) and moved on. He went on to say there was no need then for all the scrutiny afterwards as the ref dealt with it as he saw fit. For Down, he was talking about their need for aggression and passion. Talking about 8 red cards was just for show, watched the game and no sending offs were required." He actually said "if it was Colm Cooper we would all be quite rightly questioning why are the officials not going to protect him, there are 3 men pushing, elbowing, shunting him" And then he goes on to show a clip of more or less the same (if not worse with the knee going in) happening to Conor McManus and says isn't it great how up for the match Down were. He was actually laughing while saying "I mean they nailed Conor McManus in the first play, in fact they nailed 2 of them and then put the knees in as hard as they could".... he was so delighted with them fouling McManus, it was strange to watch turkeyplucker (UK) - Posts: 137 - 26/06/2017 13:14:21 2005678 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Brolly made a stupid point that the referee 'did well' by not refereeing it at all! The referee had a shocker, what I saw of it. It was never a penalty, the Down lad could play in the Premiership, just deliberately initiated contact & fell over a prone player who was attempting a clean block, or possibly even worse had to slightly fall over to initiate that contact. Terrible referee, not to spot that. I'm surprised that it hasn't been highlighted by 'pundits'. He must have realised he'd been conned on the peno, because he gave Monaghan a good few wrong decisions in the last 10mins. I thought he was trying to draw it. Unconvincing refereeing performance imo." Are you for real,that was a penalty all day,my god that was the most simple call of the day cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 26/06/2017 13:14:44 2005679 Link
Joe Brolly is great value as a pundit but you just have to laugh at both his comments about Down and Pat Spillane. Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 26/06/2017 13:51:59 2005699 Link
Replying To cityman73: "Are you for real,that was a penalty all day,my god that was the most simple call of the day" I didn't see the penalty. It was a dive of sorts. Down player is on his way 'down' before contact. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3410 - 26/06/2017 14:07:11 2005715 Link
Replying To seanie08: "Brolly is a pantomime pundit nothing else. Just says things to get attention. Ciaran Whelan Thomas o se best pundits out there at the minute." Whelan a good pundit - are you for real - anti Ulster and goes blind when Dubs infringe the rules - bar that he's okay!!! IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 26/06/2017 14:40:37 2005751 Link
fair play Joe, you've got them talking again SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 26/06/2017 14:49:44 2005767 Link
Replying To shaggylegend: "Dropping knees on a player is a red card offence, Ryan McMenamin I remember getting done for dropping the knees on John McEntee all them years ago. Monaghan had massive gripes with soft Down frees in the first half ans coldrick was booed off my the Monaghan contingent. If you watch the Frees Monaghan got in the second half and not listen to Tommy Carr on commentary you will notice yes they were marginal calls but the ref saw fouls." Ricey didnt get sent off for that. He got a subsequent suspension which was then quashed. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 26/06/2017 14:54:40 2005772 Link