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http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=267975 The alleged incident happened at a time when the Gooch was leading the Tyrone defence a merry dance. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 22/03/2017 19:41:53 1970120 Link
That's the thing with Kerry when they know they are inferior the mask slip's they revert to type cynical crap. They tried to start plenty of fights on Saturday night and it didn't work, in all likelihood it wouldn't have worked against that Tyrone team as they simply had your number. jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 22/03/2017 20:35:56 1970135 Link
Replying To jacktheDub: "That's the thing with Kerry when they know they are inferior the mask slip's they revert to type cynical crap. They tried to start plenty of fights on Saturday night and it didn't work, in all likelihood it wouldn't have worked against that Tyrone team as they simply had your number." The Gooch was simply leading their defence a merry dance at the time. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 22/03/2017 20:39:36 1970138 Link
Replying To jacktheDub: "That's the thing with Kerry when they know they are inferior the mask slip's they revert to type cynical crap. They tried to start plenty of fights on Saturday night and it didn't work, in all likelihood it wouldn't have worked against that Tyrone team as they simply had your number." Funny, I saw Cluxton grabbing Geaney, McMahon swinging an elbow to floor a Kerry man, Kilkenny getting sent off and O'Gara twice involved in nasty incidents, but no your right it was Kerry starting everything. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 22/03/2017 20:48:24 1970148 Link
Think this thread will turn into a bit of a fiasco to be honest, lets hope not. For what its worth I think O Cinneide's comments are probably right, Kerry should have certainly done something to 'even the score' that day, or maybe even have started it off the bat to show they weren't going to be 'bullied' for want of a better word, a la Kennedlly hit in the AI Final. Tyrone leant on the players they knew the could and were allowed to. However I think that particular Tyrone team at that time would have loved that - they were too battled hardened, not sure that it would have affected too many of the Tyrone players on the pitch that day. GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 22/03/2017 20:49:43 1970150 Link
Replying To TheHermit: "Funny, I saw Cluxton grabbing Geaney, McMahon swinging an elbow to floor a Kerry man, Kilkenny getting sent off and O'Gara twice involved in nasty incidents, but no your right it was Kerry starting everything." Oddly enough, or not, the Kingdom have the worst disciplinary record in the top two divisions right now regarding giving away frees, looks like ye need a defensive coach of some sort :D realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 22/03/2017 20:58:32 1970154 Link
Replying To realdub: "Oddly enough, or not, the Kingdom have the worst disciplinary record in the top two divisions right now regarding giving away frees, looks like ye need a defensive coach of some sort :D" Wouldn't argue with that, our tackling is terrible at the minute, mana from heaven for Rock on Saturday. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 22/03/2017 21:06:47 1970155 Link
Replying To realdub: "Oddly enough, or not, the Kingdom have the worst disciplinary record in the top two divisions right now regarding giving away frees, looks like ye need a defensive coach of some sort :D" And we have scored the most, how did that happen when the Saviours of Football are around? KYTotalFootball (Kerry) - Posts: 280 - 22/03/2017 21:11:43 1970157 Link
Replying To KYTotalFootball: "And we have scored the most, how did that happen when the Saviours of Football are around?" Because we bring out the best in the blanket defenses plus we're fouled more :D realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 22/03/2017 21:21:06 1970165 Link
Regarding Tyrone giving Kerry the 'slaps' back in the day, I remember watching and asking myself why are Kerry allowing themselves to be pushed around the park. Yes you should have started some sort of physical scenarios that would have made them at least think twice, but ye didn't. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 22/03/2017 21:25:49 1970166 Link
More guff that Kerry are always the sinned and never EVER the sinners? Jesus flipping angels in the kingdom. I thought Kerry fans harping back and crying foul about 2011 were bad but still not being able to let being beat fair and square in the final TWLEVE years ago? Ha ha so sad but yet quite funny at the same time, like I said the other day...roll on the 2017 instalment :) Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 22/03/2017 21:32:19 1970169 Link
That's the thing with Kerry when they know they are inferior the mask slip's they revert to type cynical crap. They tried to start plenty of fights on Saturday night and it didn't work, in all likelihood it wouldn't have worked against that Tyrone team as they simply had your number. jacktheDub (Dublin) - 22/03/2017 20:35:56 B..but..but Kerry never ever do wrong, since time began they're angels. Always the Saint and never the sinner according to their fans here. Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 22/03/2017 21:35:58 1970172 Link
Replying To realdub: "Because we bring out the best in the blanket defenses plus we're fouled more :D" But according to your friend Jack we are cynical defensive blah blah blah yet the League Table shows we have scored 84 points to the Saviours of the Game 71. If you're being fouled more that should lead to more handy scores from frees? KYTotalFootball (Kerry) - Posts: 280 - 22/03/2017 21:54:37 1970181 Link
Replying To jacktheDub: "That's the thing with Kerry when they know they are inferior the mask slip's they revert to type cynical crap. They tried to start plenty of fights on Saturday night and it didn't work, in all likelihood it wouldn't have worked against that Tyrone team as they simply had your number." Ah here, I actually like this Dublin team despite all the beatings they have given us in the recent past but pot kettle black lad. Dublin are well able to leave an elbow in as well as anybody. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 22/03/2017 21:59:53 1970184 Link
If Kerry were too soft back then their cynical side has come to the fore now, their tactics when they meet a superior footballing side like Dublin is to try and rough them up to put them off their game, they done the same thing to Michael Murphy and Donegal last year, Tyrone were well fit to handle themselves back then, not sure about our current squad apart from a few of the old timers, Kerry at the minute are cynical and referees must be awake to this, what they done to Mayo in the replay in Limerick was pure thuggery. El_Torro (Tyrone) - Posts: 155 - 22/03/2017 22:22:39 1970195 Link
Ah now. Kerry had rehearsed a few dark arts themselves for that 05 final. They obviously noticed the success Armagh had in the Ulster final by grabbing Canavan's jersey and not letting go until he used a bit of force, leading to his sending off and a major turning point in the contest. I think it was Tom O'Sullivan who thought he'd try to fool a second ref with the same trick that summer. Definitely provocative if not quite starting a fight. SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 22/03/2017 22:37:02 1970199 Link
Replying To KYTotalFootball: "But according to your friend Jack we are cynical defensive blah blah blah yet the League Table shows we have scored 84 points to the Saviours of the Game 71. If you're being fouled more that should lead to more handy scores from frees?" A lot of the fouling goes on out the field too ya know, and that's where most of the cynical tackles tend to happen, to slow teams build ups down. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 22/03/2017 23:53:52 1970230 Link
Replying To Dubsfan28: "More guff that Kerry are always the sinned and never EVER the sinners? Jesus flipping angels in the kingdom. I thought Kerry fans harping back and crying foul about 2011 were bad but still not being able to let being beat fair and square in the final TWLEVE years ago? Ha ha so sad but yet quite funny at the same time, like I said the other day...roll on the 2017 instalment :)" Philly Mac was obviously studying this final closely in his formative days ;) TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 23/03/2017 11:10:08 1970320 Link
Agree totally with Cinneide and Tomas O Se ,I was behind the goal that day in 2005 and I was roaring and shouting when it happened! Kerry were well on top that day at the time and that incident put Gooch and Kerry out of their stride. Should Kerry complain about it...yes they should and have, but in all fairness it showed that Tyrone team were winners. That incident was not the winning and losing of the game. The Tyrone forward line were immense that day and that is why Tyrone won. woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 23/03/2017 11:36:20 1970329 Link
Replying To TheHermit: "Philly Mac was obviously studying this final closely in his formative days ;)" Now now hermit, I watch the 2005 match back again recently and Cooper was definitely was the instigator throwing digs like mad :D realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 23/03/2017 11:36:56 1970330 Link