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It will be fascination to see how this rule change plays out. With the five second rule to play it and the the need for the players to retreat 13 metres this will be as much be about speed as well high fielding ability. 1. Which teams do you think will benefit most or exploit this rule change to the best of their ability 2. Which team do you think won't be suited to the rule change? 1. For me with the speed of the half backs and the ability of three to four players to win it in the middle of the field, this rule helps Mayo all day. Can see them getting great advantage. Reckon opposition won't even attempt going long against them bar Galway who have a decent midfield. Dublin aren't blessed with high fielding midfielders but again Cluxton will be able to pick men off and can help transition attacks. Can't forget Kerry 2. Not sure it will help Donegal. Thank God Neil Gallagher has put off retirement yet and may mean Michael Murphy is playing midfield for most of the games. Rossies look short in the height department too Don't see it helping Tyrone much either right now shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 187 - 15/01/2017 15:02:24 1945825 Link
Not just high fielding gets a mark though. Any catch from kick out will get a mark. Keepers like Cluxton can hit quicker smaller midfielders chest high breaking into space out the wings away from the taller traditional midfielders bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 15/01/2017 16:16:47 1945840 Link
Yeah but the last thing dublin players want to do when they catch the ball in space is to stop, so can't see any benefit of it, can you kick a score from a Mark if in range? clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/01/2017 16:58:05 1945851 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Yeah but the last thing dublin players want to do when they catch the ball in space is to stop, so can't see any benefit of it, can you kick a score from a Mark if in range?" I don't see why you couldn't? I see burns and co want to bring in a rule about distance of the kick out. I wish they would just stop this crap. The game is fine gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 15/01/2017 17:13:49 1945857 Link
No side will be benefit and no side will lose out. As pointless and ineffectual a rule change as you're likely to see. 90% of marks will be uncontested catches into the chest. What breathtaking skills we now reward with a free kick?! MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 15/01/2017 18:39:22 1945871 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Yeah but the last thing dublin players want to do when they catch the ball in space is to stop, so can't see any benefit of it, can you kick a score from a Mark if in range?" Of course it will benefit the quick thinking Dublin players. As outlined, any player catching a kickout cleaning outside the 45m line will be awarded a mark. They can take the free kick, or as I assume will play on. They can carry the ball uncontested/ not challenged for 4 steps or without playing the ball. Hence the advantage is accured. See below: b) Play on immediately (i) In this circumstance the player may not be challenged for the ball until he carries the ball up to a maximum of four consecutive steps or holds the ball for no longer than the time needed to take four steps and/or makes one act of kicking, handpassing, bouncing or toe-tapping the ball. (ii) If the Player is illegally challenged, a free kick shall be awarded to his team from the point at which the challenge is made, and this free kick may be taken by any player on his team. David (Meath) - Posts: 567 - 15/01/2017 19:48:29 1945889 Link
The rules around this has to be properly explained, for example a player catches a clean ball from a kick out, the ref awards him a 'mark', if an opponent lazily gets out of his way, another words he deliberately blocks his kick what does the ref do.? the mark isn't classed as a free so legally he (the ref) can't bring the ball 13m forwards, was this situation sorted out by the GAA. Will the mark work? Yes but the way to beat it is to jump up behind your opponent and punch the ball out of his hands before he catches it, blocking the mark will work for equal level counties but for unequal counties like Dublin and every other Leinster county the dubs will win handy marks as they are quicker off the mark for kick outs and will clean up riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 15/01/2017 21:16:56 1945924 Link
Replying To shaggykev: "It will be fascination to see how this rule change plays out. With the five second rule to play it and the the need for the players to retreat 13 metres this will be as much be about speed as well high fielding ability. 1. Which teams do you think will benefit most or exploit this rule change to the best of their ability 2. Which team do you think won't be suited to the rule change? 1. For me with the speed of the half backs and the ability of three to four players to win it in the middle of the field, this rule helps Mayo all day. Can see them getting great advantage. Reckon opposition won't even attempt going long against them bar Galway who have a decent midfield. Dublin aren't blessed with high fielding midfielders but again Cluxton will be able to pick men off and can help transition attacks. Can't forget Kerry 2. Not sure it will help Donegal. Thank God Neil Gallagher has put off retirement yet and may mean Michael Murphy is playing midfield for most of the games. Rossies look short in the height department too Don't see it helping Tyrone much either right now" How is it possible to define which teams will benefit most from this pathetic rule? Fascinating? The rule is having no positive impact. Just slowing the game up. It is no advantage whatsoever to the player in possession. mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 16/01/2017 00:15:20 1945966 Link
Replying To riverboys: "The rules around this has to be properly explained, for example a player catches a clean ball from a kick out, the ref awards him a 'mark', if an opponent lazily gets out of his way, another words he deliberately blocks his kick what does the ref do.? the mark isn't classed as a free so legally he (the ref) can't bring the ball 13m forwards, was this situation sorted out by the GAA. Will the mark work? Yes but the way to beat it is to jump up behind your opponent and punch the ball out of his hands before he catches it, blocking the mark will work for equal level counties but for unequal counties like Dublin and every other Leinster county the dubs will win handy marks as they are quicker off the mark for kick outs and will clean up" The ref may advance the ball 13m for the types of incidents that you described. Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 16/01/2017 15:32:13 1946108 Link
Replying To mayotyroneman: "How is it possible to define which teams will benefit most from this pathetic rule? Fascinating? The rule is having no positive impact. Just slowing the game up. It is no advantage whatsoever to the player in possession." Why are players calling for the mark if it is no advantage to them? Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 16/01/2017 17:15:18 1946128 Link
Replying To riverboys: "The rules around this has to be properly explained, for example a player catches a clean ball from a kick out, the ref awards him a 'mark', if an opponent lazily gets out of his way, another words he deliberately blocks his kick what does the ref do.? the mark isn't classed as a free so legally he (the ref) can't bring the ball 13m forwards, was this situation sorted out by the GAA. Will the mark work? Yes but the way to beat it is to jump up behind your opponent and punch the ball out of his hands before he catches it, blocking the mark will work for equal level counties but for unequal counties like Dublin and every other Leinster county the dubs will win handy marks as they are quicker off the mark for kick outs and will clean up" Ahh yes the aristocratic views from the almighty mayo, lets all bow down to their wisdom,, wtf do you know about Leinster teams apart from them.regularly beating you over last decade, and I include Meath in that. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/01/2017 18:54:08 1946143 Link
Replying To riverboys: "The rules around this has to be properly explained, for example a player catches a clean ball from a kick out, the ref awards him a 'mark', if an opponent lazily gets out of his way, another words he deliberately blocks his kick what does the ref do.? the mark isn't classed as a free so legally he (the ref) can't bring the ball 13m forwards, was this situation sorted out by the GAA. Will the mark work? Yes but the way to beat it is to jump up behind your opponent and punch the ball out of his hands before he catches it, blocking the mark will work for equal level counties but for unequal counties like Dublin and every other Leinster county the dubs will win handy marks as they are quicker off the mark for kick outs and will clean up" If you go to YouTube, official GAA and scroll down to the Mark explained it's all there. All 7 minutes of the most convoluted, unnecessary rule change I've every seen. Like the black card it won't be implemented in clubs games or it will be done incorrectly. I can just see the Sunday game and the 3 amigos complaining about refs and consistently about the mark. However watch the video and tell me how a ref is supposed to enforce this along with all the other rules and get things correct, especially when they aren't professional. It's ridiculous. And now Burns is talking about exclusion zones for kick outs. You couldn't make it up!!!!! The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 16/01/2017 18:56:24 1946145 Link
The mark won't make one bit of difference. Anyone involved in the game presently would know that. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 16/01/2017 19:10:41 1946147 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "I don't see why you couldn't? I see burns and co want to bring in a rule about distance of the kick out. I wish they would just stop this crap. The game is fine" When you create a committee that committee then has to come up with something. That's why burns and co went back to the mark and if wasn't even an original idea! We've already had it two times and it's been rejected! Now they're going to overturn the short kickout Indeed when will the craziness stop? mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 16/01/2017 23:56:27 1946212 Link
The short kick out will always be here there's no rule that would work to get rid of it. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 17/01/2017 09:46:18 1946236 Link
Replying To mayotyroneman: "When you create a committee that committee then has to come up with something. That's why burns and co went back to the mark and if wasn't even an original idea! We've already had it two times and it's been rejected! Now they're going to overturn the short kickout Indeed when will the craziness stop?" They're just trying to make their mark. I'll get the tumbleweeds! GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 17/01/2017 10:16:55 1946247 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "The short kick out will always be here there's no rule that would work to get rid of it." They are talking of bringing in a rule that it has to go at least 30 metres. It's madness. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 17/01/2017 10:45:44 1946257 Link
Gotmilk that wouldn't work it would just make defensive teams even more defensive. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 17/01/2017 11:17:22 1946266 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Gotmilk that wouldn't work it would just make defensive teams even more defensive." Everyone knows that to be the case but the committee with burns and mcgee are talking about bringing it in. It's madness. First thing is I don't think there is any problem with the game. There have been poor games and good games, awful games and outstanding games in the last three years. The same as thirty three years ago. Those who insist that the game has gone to defensive the only change I can see working is to bring in a 2 point line. In order to get players to move out from goal you have to give them a reason to. It's the way basketball went. Teams used to protect the paint at all costs because all baskets were worth the same. Once they introduced the three point line teams had to move away from the paint and protect the D as it was more valuable to hit a shot from out there. As a result it increased space beside the D and allowed for teams to score inside. If teams protect just inside they are giving great opportunities for a team to punish them with a score worth more. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 17/01/2017 12:02:46 1946274 Link
The mark will not improve football. It was tried before and rejected. The real problem is the hand pass, allied to defensive football. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1735 - 17/01/2017 15:06:18 1946347 Link